recording in progress. >> Excellent. >> Can you grab one for me? >> Good evening everybody and welcome to the Yarmas Select Board meeting of September 23rd. >> Thank you very much. >> 2025. >> Um, we're going to start with executive
session and I will read the motion. After this motion's read and we vote to go into an executive session, we will come back into public session um hopefully at approximately 6 pm. So, the Yarma Select Board will consider entering into executive session pursuant
to Mass General Law Chapter 3A section 21A6 to consider the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property pertaining to pump station 2 if chair declares that it open may have a detrimental effect on the negotiating
position of the public body of which I so declare. Second, uh can can somebody make the motion? I just read it. >> So moved. Okay. And a second. Thank you very much. Roll call vote. >> Forest votes I >> Flynn I. >> I. >> Liz Argo.
>> I vote I. We are now in executive session to return to public session after. Thank you very much. Hi Jim, >> how are you? >> Good evening. >> Invitation. Amazing kid.
>> All right. Good evening everybody and uh we are going to start with the pledge of allegiance please. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Uh we're going to start with announcements. Um, does anybody on the board have any announcements? Liz? >> No, ma'am. Joyce, >> I'm good. >> Bob, do you have any announcements?
>> No announcements tonight. >> Okay, we're moving. Hope this is a indication. >> Rude. >> All right, we're going to move on to public comments. Is um I see uh Christopher uh on Zoom. >> Yes. Can Can you hear me? >> Yes. Good evening. Thanks for joining
us. >> Yes. Thank you so much. Uh the agenda reflects new uh members of the Armouth Police Department. So I want to hurry through this and welcome to them and all the best. First, thank you to the board for successfully installing the four-way stop at uh Station Avenue and Wood Road.
You jumped through uh numerous hoops with the state bureaucracy to do so, and it is appreciated. That will save uh prevent a lot of accidents. Uh on Thursday evening, September 25th at 6 PM, the Yarmouth zoning board should deny the proposed highdensity laundry
apartment building permit, which is located on Route 28 and Pine Grove Road in South Yarmouth for the following reasons. Uh first, the plan is too densely populated. It calls for three separate threestory buildings with 27
rental units uh built on a 1 acre lot. Uh, does this fit the planning board's vision of Route 28? Earlier this year, an architect architectural firm explained to the planning board that Yarmouth has strict regulations regarding third floor or three-f flooror
buildings. It should be sloped like an attic from the street. So, you don't it doesn't look like a third floor. Uh, from the plans that are posted publicly, it's hard to tell. Uh, but uh but that's
something to consider. Um the the the agenda for the zoning board shows that the developer is requesting a number of waiverss. Uh but parking uh the plan calls for insufficient parking for 27 rental units. The ARM parking
regulations follow a minimum number of parking spaces based on the number of units and the developers uh request a waiver to uh this restriction. Uh, common sense shows the plan clearly does not provide enough parking for 27 units.
The current vacant one-story laundromat building takes up about half the acre property and the parking lot uh currently has about 20 painted parking spaces. It's impossible to see how it will have even at least 27 spaces uh for
the proposed uh units. Given this limited requested parking waiver request, tenants as well as visiting family and friends will be forced to park on Pinerove Road in the adjacent residential neighborhood where restrictions, parking restrictions don't
currently exist. Uh the tenants and guests, especially during the winter months and holiday season, will also be uh tempted to park in the lots of several seasonal businesses that are closed for the winter, like Dairy Queen
and Sports World across the street. Uh third, the proposed apartment complex will create a dangerous intersection at Route 28 and Pinrove Road for the traffic and pedestrian crossings. Uh the proposed complex only has one entrance
and exit and that is on Pine Grove Road. Uh Yarmouth Motel and Entertainment businesses u on Route 28 from Se View Avenue to the Pancake Man intersection attract tourists in the summer and uh
and heavy traffic uh is experienced as well as pedestrian traffic. The Massachusetts Department of Transportation recently notified the board earlier this year, this board, that it will not be widening Route 28 as part of its upcoming renovation project.
Other than including a bike lane and a sidewalk on the south side of Route 28, it has no authority to widen it. Uh DOT also doesn't appear to uh plan to add any traffic lights or pedestrian crossings uh between the traffic light
at Pancake Man and all the way about a mile away at South Sea Avenue in West Yarmouth. Uh it there are no breaks in traffic. Anyone who drives on Route 28 in the Armouth knows it is impossible to turn left uh at Pine Grove, Seview, any
of the uh roads that enter the uh the neighborhood to the south 28. It uh it just becomes very dangerous. Uh and just imagine you have the only entrance and exit on Pinerove Road. So, if people are
leaving the community to to turn left or right on 28, people coming out of this development, this complex, are going to have a hard hard time turning left. They will be tempted to turn right and cut through the neighborhood, which the neighborhood roads are not prepared to
take that type of traffic. Um, >> Chris, if you could just conclude as quickly. >> I'll wrap it up. Thank you so much. This is not an opposition to housing development and it's an opposition to poorly planned housing development. The Yarmouth Commons just down the street 10 years ago uh was originally planned to
be twice the size that it currently is, but it was reduced and it looks fine. It's it's do well maintained and it's doing a good, you know, a good job. Um granting that this building permit will open the floodgates to more of these highdensity apartment complexes on Route
28, which is poor planning for Yarma's future. Hopefully Mr. Written will provide an update uh at the end of the meeting about this uh in his administr town administrator's update and um and also provide the select board's position. I appreciate the time. Thank
you so much and welcome to the new police office police. >> Thank you very much for your comments. I hope you bring those comments uh to the planning board at that meeting as well. Um as many people in the public know this is a 40B project. Um, so, uh, and,
uh, you know, thank you for your thanks about the, uh, intersection improvements that was, um, due to the hard work of our DPW staff together with the police department, and we're very grateful for that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Chris. >> Tom,
>> can you bring Tom in, please? Maybe he doesn't know he's up. >> Hey. >> Hi, Tom. >> Can you hear me now? >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Okay. Um, tonight on your agenda, I happen to notice that you're going to be
discussing this so-called transfer fee. I don't know how you look at it, but you could dress it up any way which way you want to do. Even put lipstick on it.
It's a tax. It's definitely a tax the way it's written either by the seller or by the um buyer. One thing I'd like to bring to the board's attention when you're discussing
this and that's our US Constitution. Our country is a republic. It's a constitutional republic. We're not a democracy as a lot of people say. We are a constitutional republic and a
constitution is the law of the land. And in the constitution, there is the 14th amendment, which breaks down what they call the equal protection clause. The equal protection clause covers taxes.
And I'll quote this, the tax laws must apply equally to all individuals and cannot discriminate against any certain group or classes of people. The so-called transfer fee is
discriminatory. It's based on 1 million or $2 million homes. It is not based on all homes from the bottom up. I would question whether or not this will be legal at
all. I whether or not the attorney state attorney general could approve something like this. Uh this has to be researched a lot more. Uh I as I said it is discriminatory and nothing more than a tax being described
as a fee and if it goes to town meeting I will oppose this at town meeting as a new tax. All right so with that I will let you go and continue with your meeting. Thank you. >> Thank you Tom Jim. >> Good evening folks. Madame President, I
just wanted to take a opportunity to thank the community for the outpouring of support and effort that went into the decade of remembrance, the legacy of Will Dunovan, a US United States Marine who was
awarded two Purple Hearts. and uh we brought together a group to simply write a wrong. Um as we all recall, some vandalism happened throughout the summer. It was a beautiful day and the
reason I'm here is to thank the community and in particular um Bob your office Mary helped us uh secure some use of uh property permits. Um Scott Gilmore from Baybury Hills Golf Course. They
supported us with uh riding and parking and all of those kinds of things. Although he was assisted with Dennis Hoy, um Chief uh Enrique Escu, he brought Tower Ladder 41. And if you saw the media accounts of that, the United
States flag old glory was flying um amazingly. If you get a chance, Google Channel 5, they had a great piece on it. Um assistant uh DPW director Roby White House as well. Um all worked together
and Chief Kenn Lennon and the members of the uh Yamoth Police Department were as well. Actually, Kevin stood a traffic post on Saturday to ensure that we were all safe. It was pretty [Laughter]
>> And just simply this, if you think about the amount of moving parts that took for this event to go through and the planning and the execution, there were a lot of moving parts, a lot of uh outsiders and visitors to our community.
We had some uh guests as well. uh US ambassador Alan Levventhal was uh there and he spoke. He was a a donor of replacing the flags and under the radar some may not be aware retired common of the United States Marine Corps General
Joseph Dunford made an appearance. Joe was also the retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Um and it was great to see him. He had met Will at one point in Will's career and in his career and exchanged a challenge coin. And um if you were there, you understood that I
probably shouldn't have recognized him because he was under the radar. And as a Navy guy, >> I'm going to have to do push-ups after the event was over. >> Wait, you're a Navy guy? You know how to do push-ups? >> No, ma'am. I do not. >> After the event was over, the general came up and said it was an excellent
ceremony. and he said, "Yes, there will be push us at a time and location of his choosing." But again, um just simply, you know, as a resident of Yarmouth and as the executive director of the Cape Islands Veterans Outreach,
we shined extremely well on a very, very profound stage. And um I spoke with the Donovan family and particularly his mom this morning again. she's still aruck over what we were able to accomplish >> and the pain that they endured earlier
in the summer. Hopefully, we simply erased some of that. So, again, thank you all and thank you, chief, men and women of the police department, the fire department, and all our town agencies. Well done. Thank you, >> Jim. Um, thank you. Thank you for um
bringing the honor that Will Dapper is what we call him. He was a a friend. We used to ride motorcycles together. We would run together. Um, he was a remarkable young man and the honor that you brought to him, I I apologize that I wasn't able to be there. I was out of town. But it was so truly deserve
deserving of of of him and everything that you did. So, I I want to thank you personally for bringing that together and rededicating that the bridge the way that it should be. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you. Is there anybody else from the public
that would like to speak? Seeing nobody, we are going to move forward to um our next item. And Chief Lennon is here to introduce our new personnel. >> Thank you, Chief. >> Thank you. And there is video of me
directing traffic. >> Surprised you still not taking a few days off. >> Officer Cruz, he was my field training officer for the first 10 minutes. Uh, and then I was cut free to direct traffic. He didn't let me go too far, but I was able to do it. So, first we're going to introduce Officer Faras. Uh,
Jason, if you can just step up. It is my honor to formally introduce Officer Jason Faras this evening. Jason is a proud graduate of the first recruit class of the East Falmouth Academy. He successfully completed the six-month 800 hour training program. After graduation,
he successfully completed our 13-week rigorous uh internal uh program. Uh he is now assigned to the midnight to 8 shift and he has already begun serving his community with professionalism and dedication. Prior to his appointment with the police department, Jason worked for the United States Postal Service for
six years. Beyond his professional responsibilities, he remains very uh attached to our community. He is a football coach and does that when he's not working. So, please take this opportunity to congratulate Jason with me on his appointment as a Yarmouth
police officer. >> Congratulations. >> Welcome. Stay safe out there. Thank you. >> Congratulations and welcome. >> Thank you for choosing Yarmouth. >> Welcome, Jason. >> Jason was sworn in by uh by Mayor Mazowski a couple weeks ago.
And next, I'm going to introduce our newest dispatcher, Megan Foys. >> Y, >> it is my honor to introduce dispatcher Megan Foys this evening. Megan started with the police department in July. She has successfully completed the 56 hours of 911 training that she needed and
she's in week 10 of our 16-week in-house training program. Megan is on track to assume solo desk assignments in early November, and she's doing an excellent job. Prior to joining the police department, Megan worked in the baking industry, Megan has consistently displayed the tact, composure, and
professionalism necessary to excel in the very demanding job as a public safety dispatcher. So, please take this opportunity with me and congratulate Megan for being one of our professional dispatchers. >> Thank you so much. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. Thank you for picking
Yarmouth. Yeah. >> Welcome. Thank you. >> Thank you. Nice to meet you. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you so much. Nice to meet you. >> Welcome. Don't let them stress you out. >> Nice to meet you. >> It's a very stressful job. >> It is. >> That is all I have.
>> Thank you. And thank you as always. You have your uh brothers and sisters behind you supporting you. So that's wonderful. Thank you all for coming. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Have a great day. >> Thank you. >> You as well. >> Be safe. >> Thank you. >> Drive safely.
All right, moving on to our 6:30 agenda item is the vote authorizing um an authorization for the town administrator to file for an S an SRF application, which is the state revolving funds application for wells 10 and 11 for the PASS treatment program. And I'm sure uh
Jeff is here tonight to talk about that, right? Or Bob, are you taking it? Well, um this is also pursuant to uh an article for the authorization of these funds that is proposed for the November
town meeting and um we need to get in the application under the SRF program obviously to get the financing to do so and the deadline is fast approaching. So, um, the request is to have the board approve our authority to file that SRF
and you know, we've done this so many times before. I think you know the the drill at this point. >> Do we have a document here that needs to be signed or we're authorizing the vote the motion is the uh to authorize you to sign on our behalf?
>> Yes. And it is pursuant to there's a certifying statement. >> Anybody have that? >> I have it right here. I think it was >> okay. Okay. So I will need a motion from the
board to um approve the certifying statement for the authority to file. Uh this hereby certified the select board of the town of Yarmmouth at the meeting noticed and conducted in
accordance with all applicable legal requirements duly vote to authorize the town administrator to act on behalf of the applicant as its agent in filing applications for executing agreements regarding and performing any and all actions necessary to secure for the
applicant such a grant andor loans for planning construction for water pollution abatement projects. or drinking water projects as may be made available to the applicant pursuant to the provisions of the Massachusetts Clean Waters Act, Mass General Law,
Chapter 21, section 27 through 33E, inclusive as amended, the water pollution abatement revolving loan program, which is pertaining to the project here of wells 10 and 11, a
seasonal PAS treatment system. And we certify that Robert L. Whitenar Jr. is the present incumbent of the position referenced above and hereby certify that the attached resolution is a true and correct copy of the resolution as
finally adopted at town meeting by the governing authority held on the 23rd day of September 2025 and duly recorded in my office and said meeting was duly convened and held all aspects in accordance with the law and to the extent required by law due and proper
notice of such meeting was given and legal quorum was present throughout the meeting and a legally sufficient number of members of the governing body voted in proper manner and for the adoption of said resolution and other requirements proceedings under the law incident to
the proper adoption or passage of said resolution including publication if required have been duly fulfilled carried out or otherwise observed and I am authorized to execute the certificate if the impression of a seal has been affixed below it constitutes the
official seal of the applicant and is this certificate is hereby executed under official seal but no seal has been affixed. The applicant does not have an official seal. Do you need more? >> No. That's >> so moved.
>> Okay. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Any oppose? It passes unanimously. >> I'm going to hold out till we get a shiny seal. >> I'm sure he has the seal. I know the town has the seal. So, okay. So that
vote has um happened and we authorize Bob to sign that on our behalf. >> Use Mary's seal. >> Okay. >> She's the keeper. >> I like it. Uh our 645 item is disposition of real property related to uh Lake Road map 49 parcel 103 and
Christine Petrillo. >> And I I just want to give you a little bit of a a background. Christine um as the original petitioner is here but um this really is an application I'm going to bring you back this was originally
filed I think around 2019 to 2020 time frame in with the town had a property disposition process that it went through along with a committee to review various requests and we were
had one that um sort of because of the the property owner became ill was approved previously but was never um consummated until the last town meeting and while we were going through the process of um taking care of that
previous item that was out there. Um I I think Christina made a um statement at the town meeting that she had an application that was filed in that same time frame and never re received a response um as well. And we promised her at that town meeting that we would um I
would meet with her, research her original request um and look at the process and then make some type of recommendation just to address it. It was all, you know, done in good faith at the time. And so what you have in front of you is a fairly detailed packet of
information with respect to the original application again that um was filed. This one was the second filing of it in 2021. Um, and it is, uh, the property is located at 14 Lake Road. It is.15
acres. So, it's a very, um, small, so we call it those remainder lots. Um, it has an assessed value of 10,300. It's located map 49, lot 103. The lot itself dates back to the 1920s.
It's actually a part of the original Swan Lake Shores subdivision. And um there's such a a you know a detailed history of that. I I think maybe some of the complications associated with the lot may have led it to not being
addressed at the time that the committee was acting. But um I I did quite a bit of research on the property and I also involved all of our town departments in reviewing this request and making a couple of determinations. Um first and
foremost, was there any possible municipal use for this property? And the answer to that is no. There's no municipal use that we have. Uh the property was acquired as a tax taking. Um, and I I think it was more or less
abandoned by the previous property owners due to its lack of buildability. And so that became an issue. The town um had acquired it and um had it for quite some time. Um it is shown I I think very clearly on the second page of your
packet um that shows it's sandwiched between other single family homes um and the feedback from and the property cards here. There's all a lot of detail on the lot and the feedback from all of our
departments. Um, no department had a use and um, all of the departments were comfortable in surplusing this property. Um, and the um, town planning department, I want to thank, you know, Kathy Williams, they really gave it a close look as well as Mark Grills. Um,
you know, both of them really educated me on the whole history of this. this has been in the building department subject to various controversies one or another over the past 70 years. So um
the the bottom line is that um uh the recommendation that we have is to approve disposing of the um parcel. And I'll I'll read from the uh town planners email is however to avoid potential issues with neighbors. I would recommend
that the lot be sold specifically as a non-buildable lot and that access to the parcel is not via the 20 foot right of way shown on the attached plan. Basically this makes it valuable to an a
butter and I I concur with that recommendation as as well. If you look on page two, you can see the the pink lot is identified as that uh parcel that the town owns, the 49103,
and it is adjacent to the properties on Lake Road that there has been a right of way that has been created along the edge of that property that abuts this particular lot. Now, it has been
previously um opined by the building commissioners before even Mr. Grills um that that um does not provide frontage for this lot. and and but I think that that point needs to be clarified and um
the um applicant that originally brought it forward, the Petrillos, they indicate that potentially um they they own the abuing property and they're very interested in in making a a bid on this.
would have to be a public bid that they hope to have potentially um an accessory dwelling unit for that parcel, which I I think would be appropriate given the town's zoning for accessory dwelling units. I believe that, you know, they're
permitted to install a an accessory dwelling unit anyways. And this would make it so that they have more sight flexibility to do a better job and maybe more screening for the neighbors. So, I I think that that may be positive, but the one thing that what we don't want to
see is that this lot become a separate um subdivided single family home that would be sold separately. That that may be an imposition on the neighborhood. So, the recommendation is to um declare the property surplus and to start the
process to dispose of that um based on limiting it so that this lot is not a a buildable lot. as a separate single family home as was recommended by the departments that reviewed it. So, um I'm available whatever questions that you
may have and I thank Christina for coming as well that she can answer any questions that you have about her application. >> Okay, Mark, >> I have no questions. >> No questions. >> No questions. >> It's very clear.
>> Take a motion. work. I move that we allow Well, do you want to dispose of the real property Lake Road map 49 parcel 103? >> Second. >> Does that do it? >> Uh, no. >> Didn't think so. >> Um, it's half of it. So, I guess we
could have a discussion whether or not we agree with the recommendations about the >> the frontage and the buildable >> buildability, but I think that that needs to be >> in it. Yes. Okay. >> Part of motion. So if you amend your motion to I could >> to go with the recommendations of the planner. >> According to the recommendations of the
planner. >> Okay. Does that second? >> Yes. That's perfect. >> Great. All those in favor >> I opposed. >> Perfect. >> Thanks. And I I just want to say that that also the the process from here is we have to initiate the competitive
process that you know we do the RFPs and then we take it like the last one bring it to town meeting for approval. So, um, it's hoped we can wrap that all up for the Springtown meeting. >> Okay. Excellent. Good. >> Great. >> Thank you, Chris, and thanks for your patience with us. It only took >> 70 years.
>> 70 years. >> 70 years. >> So, that we call it another legacy item. We find them, clean them up. >> Okay. Yes. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. And uh, okay. Okay, next we are going to
discuss the uh transfer fee petition that Mr. Sullivan was speaking of. There's um also in your packet there's or at your place there was a um >> a comparison. >> Yeah, comparison. I'm not sure where
this came from. >> I it says right on the office of the town administrator. We were working with the um Senator Sears office and um when he met with the board um he discussed submitting some materials and I and I want to say the material that he submitted was tremendously helpful
especially there's a guide for how to put these together that includes the different sections and then when we looked at I took a look at the um comparative like you know the um proposals from some of the other towns and he sent three of them. One was from
Nantucket, one was from Province Town, and and one was from Chadman. They're all very similar. And um >> are these in place or they're proposals still? >> They're all proposed at this point. I don't think anyone has actually been completely approved. And it's interesting. I I I will point out that
that an interesting thing that I learned if you take a look at the legislative history on on some of them, um you know, they were they were voted at town meeting. They were submitted to the legislature. They expired. They went back to town meeting. They reauthorized
them. >> This is similar to the expansion of the room tax that we had for hotels when >> this is similar to the >> So, one of them is on its third round. So, so they don't sail through. and and what what I wanted to do for you if I
thought if I could give any value to the process. Um I I just went in and checked all of the towns on the Cape. Um because I you know I know Falmouth tends to be a sister city for Yarmouth for some reason demographically population-wise were very similar different sides of the Cape
and I knew they were involved in this and and plus a couple of the smaller towns like Wolf Fleet and East Ham. So, I put together just a handy chart that took some of the key elements as a comparison and shows instead of just the three towns, six towns, what the amounts
of the transfer fee were. And it's interesting, they're all different. >> It's amazing. Some of them is, you know, just the amount over a certain dollar amount. Um, some is for all, some is for just residential properties, some is for
all properties. Um, and then um, who another interesting thing, who is liable to make the payment? Is the payment made by the seller? >> Is the payment made by the buyer? That's a key consideration and and that's something you need to give a little thought to. And I I noticed a couple of
them had sunsets. >> Um, and and I thought that that was an interesting thing that you should be aware of. And and also the other thing I thought was was very interesting is the beneficiary of the transfer fee that um most of them are for affordable
housing funds and affordable housing trust funds. But I thought it was very interesting that Wellfleet included uh the first 50,000 every year goes to the capital stabilization fund. And I also noticed in East Ham the beneficiary is
the affordable housing trust and or the wastewater stabilization fund as determined it says from time to time by the select board. So I thought having those other cases in just rounded out the comparison of what other communities are doing. And I know there's a lot of
discussion as to whether this is, you know, great for Yarmouth, but I I thought by having all the information there, you can kind of get a snapshot of what's going on around here. >> I appreciate it. Mark, is it possible you could give a little bit update about what's going on with this related to the county?
>> Isn't it somewhat the conversation? >> Yes. the the the county assembly of delegates, they are um holding meetings and hearings to come up with a plan. They don't have a plan. They've been
asking people to come to their meetings to make suggestions for what they should do. So, um they're sort of in a process of trying to sort this out. Um the feedback that I and this is solely being done by the Assembly of Delegates.
this is not being advanced by the uh the county commissioners. I mean, from from my perspective, the legislature has shown no interest in supporting any of these proposals. >> Um and so, uh to me, the question is going to be, you know, what
what's changed? You know, what's what's you know, I know Nucket has is making a hard case, the vineyard is making a hard case. Um it obviously the discussions are quite quite interesting but um I think politically the realtors have dug in and other groups that oppose this
have dug in. So I just think that politically it's it's going to be very very difficult. Um so at the county level I think the thinking is that they may be able to offer something or do something that might be unique or might be special that might somehow convince
the legislature to give give this idea more consideration. So we'll just have to see. I I have no idea what they're going to come up with or where they're going to go. Um I've been asking the the assembly to put out in writing at least a draft plan. Um but they have yet they
have yet to do that. So I don't know how constructive any of their meetings are going to be and how how the h how that's going to proceed. But um people have been asking me, can you can you send me a copy of the county proposal? And I keep telling them, call your delegate uh to the assembly because the
commissioners have been given nothing. >> When was the meet? Didn't they have a meeting this week? >> They they they have meetings, you know, almost every other week. Uh last week they sat they had a uh a Zoom meeting with uh some of the legislators who
basically said, listen, you know, I mean, they're already on record as supporting a housing transfer tax. and um you know they basically expressed interest in whatever the county event the assembly might come up with the the
way the county charter works is and it's different in this regard than a municipality there's going to be a home rule petition um you know let's say Yarmouth acts on its own the process we would use is to as Bob had mentioned uh you present the home rule petition to
town meeting including the text of the legislation uh town meeting takes action on that should they approve it. Um and again it's before it gets to the town meeting warrant there'll be discussion with the select board. >> So there is a process that uh all towns
go through at the county. The assembly can basically act unilaterally. They don't have to work with the commissioners. They can just come up with a proposal on their own and unilaterally file something with the legislature. So it's interesting to see you know what they come up with and what
steps they might take with it. Um, I think for us, uh, I happen to agree with, uh, Tom Sullivan. I think we should have a study, you know, assemble a committee, assemble a group and, uh, have them take a look at all the various
options and, uh, uh, hand to us, you know, their recommendations, particularly the folks that have been dealing with affordable housing issues in the time. Um to me there's so many different proposals floating around
um you know my my head's spinning you know and there are different provisions different exemptions different as Bob had mentioned some proposals the burden's on the buyer and some proposals the burden's on the seller so um you know I don't know if it's incumbent on
us to have a meeting and us sort this out and figure out whether or not we want to go forward with anything but I do think I would be very interested in having a committee assembled that can look at this and prepare some some recommendations for us uh to consider um
>> you know how and when we do that um you know I'm I'm open for for discussion on it but um I think right now with everything else going on I think it would eat up a lot of time on our part and uh I like the idea of a committee meeting convening and taking input from
the community in terms of whether or not they think it's a good idea and how they would con how it would be constructed because I'm sure there's a diversity of opinion in the town and it would be great to create a process that gives everyone a chance to weigh in and provide some input and I think we've we've been pretty good at that with a
lot of the other challenging stuff that we've been dealing with you know having committees meet and engage the public and get a lot of discussion and dialogue whether it's dealing with plastics dealing with what to do with the Madakis you know middle school or you know countless other projects having
committees look at them, study them, and then analyze them, pros and cons, impacts, things like that. Um, I think all of that can be very helpful. Uh, and we've gotten a number of committees in town wrestling with affordable housing, right? >> Oh, yeah. >> And and then and some of them, that's
specifically their charge. We have a community housing committee. We have the affordable housing trust. We've got, you know, probably other groups that I haven't mentioned. um you know maybe you know I think that's the direction that I'd want I'd prefer to go in. So I I agree with Tom Sullivan. It's something
that we should um you know commission some study and some some some analysis um you know on the whole topic. >> I really agree with Mark. I think we need to hear the public's input on this.
Um I think that's critical. Um, there are just so many different ways that you could go on this. I' I'd rather have a thoughtful process put in place with a lot of public input that then comes back to us with a proposal. So,
>> Joyce, >> um, I'd like to see a thoughtful process that would wrap itself up before annual town meeting. Um, I would just observe it seems that some of these questions are legal questions. So, we couldn't
probably assume that a given committee would have the legal expertise. So, is there a way to give them access to an attorney or to town counsel to to get help on this? >> Yeah, we can advise and use town council
to ask questions, answer questions. We do that all the time with the various committees. It just flows through me. >> Any legal question. >> Okay. Um but I would lean toward being in favor of some kind of luxury transfer fee.
>> Um yeah, I I I agree. I think that was uh I'm very surprised that there is that they are um that the the Senator Sears's office and the other uh proponents are allowing as many variables in this as they are. I think that's going to be a
huge stumbling block. I don't see how the legislature could possibly embrace this with those many that many variables. So, I think that that committee, for instance, one of its first tasks would be to work with Senator Sears's office and and um find
out why they are um going forward with allowing because they're home petitions that so it comes from each each community is telling them what they want, which why why would we want to I not to,
>> you know, jump in, but I mean I would never be in favor of allowing somebody else to tell us what our town wants to do. I mean, I would rather it come from us, and that's what's happening here. These communities have maybe been through a process or not, >> but I'm hoping that we we it sounds like
there's it's just too too wide of a variables. So when Senator Seir presented on this last meeting, um he did for instance say Chadam was his champion. If he was going to recommend which one we would look at, he would
recommend we look at Chadam. I'm just so I'm not recommending that we follow anybody else's example. I'm just I wouldn't mind from a somebody who has a hand in this. He was and he certainly does have a hand in it. His office does.
and he was noting that he encourages the assembly of delegates to have their version because what he's hoping is that the more pressure, the more PR there is for this, the more that the op the hope is that the legislature will embrace it. But I'm I don't understand how the
legislature could with this many uh options. I would also note that I I thought Tom Sullivan's point was bang on. Um it is discriminatory and I wouldn't I would that's another question that if should we have a committee I would like to see this committee um
tackle. I noticed that East Hammond is that a typo Bob or is it really 3% on all sales >> down at the bottom had awful water crisis. >> Sure is. >> So that's that's could be an answer to what Tom was concerned about that you
can't be discriminatory. So 3% on all on all sales. Those are the kinds of questions I think we a committee I'm I'm in concert with you all. Committee would be great. I would model it very much on the plastics committee which I thought was able to take an action that's going
forward in very many communities across the Cape and the country and came up with our version that took all of the best parts and and brought it forward for for Yarmouth. So I think that's the way to go. And I noticed that the Cadam
example um gets around something that Tracy brought up last time, which is, you know, do you even say that 1 million anymore is a luxury home given inflation? So, I mean, they don't even start till 2 million. >> Um
I think the hardest part for the legislature is the mechanism of which collecting and distributing the funds are. Um, so when I first looked at this, I thought about the the um water protection collaborative and how that is a structure and
>> it's it's set up by do there was a lot to it. They collect the funds and then they distribute directly to mun municipalities. I don't know how any of these individually would um have that mechanism of collection through the
registry of deeds and how it gets back to the town. Um, I'm always, you know, I'm I'm never in favor of new taxes, obviously, but, um, you know, um, I get concerned when we talk about I I
like home roll petitions because it is specific to our community and what we want and what our people in our town vote for. Um, and when you have things like the water collaborative, the things that are county, you know, sometimes there becomes a structure where it goes
into a pot and you know, like >> it's not a one for one. Our transfer our our rooms tax isn't dollar for dollar back to us and >> could be overhead. It could be Yeah. >> You know what I mean? So, so when you get into these structures, the the closer it is to the municipality, the
better it is. So, um I think personally that's probably the holdup. Um which and you know the legality issue aside, um personally I wouldn't be in favor of it, but I do think that we should look at it and come up with the pros and cons and
ultimately it's up to the people to decide if this is if this is something that they that they want to do. Um >> is there any deadline? I know um any any thing that that we got out of Senator Sears's office that is compelling us pushing
>> I think he wants it on everybody's town meeting because he's trying to trying to make a political point as you said he's trying to push the legislature but you know we watched this before with the expansion of um the motel tax the realators got involved um uh Sarah Peak
had probably filed the bills I don't know how many times before she was successful it was many many years many home rule petitions were passed in different towns that that went nowhere. Um so it's not uncommon for that to happen. I I wouldn't think that this is
a panacea of funds that will be anytime soon coming to us, but um c certainly >> we should. >> So I don't know if uh we want to make a charge for a potential committee to to review. Um I'd love to see, you know,
lawyer, a lawyer, a realer um balance to it. Yeah. >> And I and I think we should go at it with the with the idea that it's something's going to be presented to the voters so that it should lay out pros and cons and issues and potential
impacts. >> Um yeah, I I guess my recommendation would be is that we uh uh direct or authorize the town administrator uh to prepare a draft committee charge.
Yeah, >> that we can discuss and deliberate on at a future meeting. And and I would encourage my colleagues on the board to provide any input to Bob in terms of how they think the committee should be structured. Um I'm with Tracy. I think balance is important.
>> Um because I think that's the only way any credible proposal is going to go anywhere. And I and I the way I approach it is ultimately this is a decision for the people, >> right? this is a a town meeting and potentially a ballot question that
ultimately they have to decide and and um so I think I would approach it in that vein where there's as broad-based input and feedback as possible. Yeah, I mean looking at this the options are as you know has already been stated very
broad. You know some of some of one there's one town that's residential only and I think that that is >> you know to me that is something I would support um only because we are having you know we we do not have a strong commercial base and and we have to look
at as Mark has already mentioned the detriments of of this fee and what that could mean to to somebody. Yep. >> Um, and you know, I I wouldn't want to put a hardship on on anybody. I mean, obviously, affordable housing is
um getting, you know, housing is harder and harder to obtain every single day. It's it's it's really >> as sewers, >> you know, it's a luxury. So, um, you know, and and that's the other thing. Uh, having a conversation about about
what it's even for and needed um >> is is a whole another conversation and I don't know if we want to put that to a subcommittee or if but um it's there's a lot to it and again I don't think that any it's going to happen anytime soon even if we bring it to town meeting it's
probably going to go through three or four sessions before there's a mechanism I think available unless we can you know come up with some type of I I I don't even know it would have to be a very specific legislation to to outline how
the registry of deeds collects that fee gets it to the town. Is it paid directly to the town? I mean, how would you manage that? >> Right. There's um some in the examples there's some detailed language and I think Chadam, which along with Nucket,
they're both very similar. I I think um had a a lot of thought on the detail in terms of the mechanics of how the funds are transferred and uh requiring it be paid. And so, um, in the in the packet, if you if you look through that, those
ones I thought were the most detailed. And they also have a a very detailed list of exemptions. >> Yeah. >> And and and I think it's very interesting to look at those as well. >> Great. I think that's a great thing for a committee to sift through. Very
detailed. So, >> really how we approached it with with the plastics committee and it was a it was >> all right. So M Mark has made a motion to um ask >> charge the >> charge. >> Is there a second to that motion? >> Second.
>> Any discussion? >> All those in favor? >> I opposed. >> Okay. >> All right, Joyce, you are up. >> Okay. >> Again. >> We are going to >> I'm starting to feel like the star of this show, but I'm trying not to let it go to my head.
Um, you've seen all this before except um the top half of page two has some changes. Um the very first sentence on uh page two is uh attempting to even out um an inadvertent um
suggestion in the last version that uh the normal thing would be for a committee chair and a quorum of the committee to have a to have a meeting and weigh in on the selection process and so forth. um this with uh putting in the in like unlikely event uh the
committee chair won't feel that's necessary but it's all provided for if committee chair wants it. The other thing that's a change is in the paragraph after that um we had a situation where a chair got in touch with uh myself and with Pam Barnes um
with the names, emails and telephone numbers of uh uh two people and said please put these on the committee and we go whoa. So that's why this next paragraph here says um um interviews will be scheduled only after the town
talent bank form is received because it seemed that I wouldn't have thought that needed to be explicit but it it seemed you know a week ago that it was. >> There you go. >> I think this is a great
version. I'm ready to to move that we accept. Is there any discussion um on the on it at all? >> Committee policy >> has any comments? >> Just my thanks to Joyce for the hard work.
>> The thing is it's so great computers you edit, you change. If I were typing each of these each time, I would die. >> Yes, indeed. >> Mark, do you have any comments? No. >> Okay. Is there a motion? >> Move to accept the committee policy as uh provided by Joyce Flynn. Second.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Nay. >> But but that's but that's no reflection of your work. >> No, we made progress. I Okay, I'm going to change my vote. >> I I'll support that. >> Good. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Tracy.
>> We did make progress on it. >> And I promise if any other things come up that ought to be included, I'll come back. >> Well, you'll have to. I think that what you found in the last week is going to probably be the case throughout your things always come up and but that's why their policies we'll put them back on and we'll amend them as needed. So,
>> sounds good to work on that. Okay, you're still up board and committee actions. >> Oh, yes. Okay. Um, you're still the star. >> Well, actually, our volunteers are the
star in this part. True. Um, I uh we'd like to uh let's see how to I've never I guess I move that we accept with thanks uh the resignation of Joshua Maduros from the recreation commission. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I >> I >> I'd like to only note that um having worked for many years with Josh, I thank him greatly for his work and I'm sorry that we're going to lose him. >> Okay. I guess he's moving out of town.
There's not much we can do. >> I hope it wasn't because we overworked him on the recreation. >> It's probably the transfer tax that >> Yeah, just the threat of it. >> Uh, okay. I'd like to move um the nomination of Barbara Leavoyne and Frank
Zapula. Um, Barbara Levo for Golf Enterprise Committee to be appointed to an un the rest of an unexpired term through April 27 and uh, Mr. Zapula for a three-year appointment expiring 428.
>> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I um then, uh, recreation commission reappointments. Um, since we have one member here, first of all, uh, the recreation commission's oldest serving
member, Debbie Clark, um, appointed for one year, uh, through July of 2026. Uh, Steve Sazanski, the current chair, appointed, um, for a three-year appointment through July 2028. Paul Dgnen, uh, three-year appointment
through July 2028. and Denise Galvin, who just came on board in the last year after the uh open house uh three-year appointment ending July 2028. And what we're doing with Denise's um Oh, sorry.
>> Don't forget Alan Harrison. >> Oh, right. Sorry, next line. And um Alan Harrison um three-year appointment ending 2028, July 2028. Um what we're doing with the Denise Calvin Galvin appointment is moving her up to regular
member because she's a public health nurse and that seems like a really good idea for recreation commission. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Um >> second. >> Do we have a >> You seconded. >> Okay. Do we have any discussion?
>> Just that I this Debbie Clark person glad she's on. >> She sure is. >> Well, that's a I was going to ask about that. Why was Debbie only one year and the others three? >> Oh, that's because um we're um adding
Denise the nurse in and giving her the longer term. But yours is is um renewable and renewable and renewable, but we wanted to pin her down and not have her go to a different committee from recreation because I think that's really where we need the public health nurse.
>> Can I ask a question? How many members? Isn't there seven members on this committee and they're all going to expire at the same time? That's a very bizarre scenario. I mean, usually they're >> they're um what do you call staggered? >> This is just four of them here.
>> One, two, three, four, five, >> but Debbie's Well, >> Debbie's one year and remember Josh just left. >> Okay. I just I think that I don't know if we've had so many resignations, but they should be staggered. So that way >> when we bring on new people, we still
have some, you know, it should be like two years, two years, you know, so like our board, you know, we have two two and one each year. So that way we're not flipping a whole. >> Um yeah, but anyway, that's just >> Okay, I'll keep an eye. >> Okay. And
>> we voted on that. >> No, we did not. >> Okay. Um, all in favor? >> I >> I >> opposed. >> Thank you, Joyce. >> So, the recreation commission goes forward. Um, it has its oldest serving member in the back and we thank it has a
a public health nurse and it has sports people. So, we're good. >> And we're keeping Debbie. >> We are. >> All right. Perfect. Um, minutes. We have the minutes of October 29th and the minutes of October 10th, 2024.
>> Move that. >> No, October 29th and December 10th. >> December 10th, 2024. Move that we accept the minutes for October 29th, 2024. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? December 10th. Is there a
motion? >> Move that we accept the minutes uh for December 10th, 2024. >> Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? >> I opposed. Okay. >> May I ask where new business is? >> It's not here. >> I know. Should it be? I
>> No. >> No. Well, I was looking at the um resolution about the freedom, justice, and equality. >> Okay. >> Where did that come? Wasn't that in our packet? That was um a piece of material that was
requested be just placed as anformational item in the next select board packet. >> So in the next when it'll be on the agenda. >> No information. >> It was placed in this agenda packet forformational purposes.
>> Oh, I see. >> So do we get this? Well, when do we handle this? >> You can talk about whatever you want on individual items. >> Okay. So, I'll hold off. >> So, let's talk about upcoming agenda review. We have uh today is the 23rd.
Our next meeting is October 7th. We have a change of ownership for Paradise Wine and Spirits, a hearing uh for Ryan Family Amusement for the ownership, presentation of the planning board articles, the an update with police and fire
chiefs on our dispatch regionalization project. Um a tenative vote to approve the election warrant for Old Kings Highway >> and ours, right? >> Is it just the election warrant? No, it's just for the old Kings Highway. >> Okay.
>> Um and a building committee update, which I'm very much looking forward to because I have some comments on on on um the library that I'd like to express. Uh vote on a budget policy. Um the budget policy usually comes out that'll be
what? F will that be? Usually it's December, isn't it? >> Oh, yeah. Don't start with me. So, we're doing this whole thing. We're revamping everything. Improvements are coming in by the vote loads and and so
>> improvements. >> Oh, yeah. Well, the the whole budget process we're elongating to allow the additional discussion, public outreach, and um um all of the the the different steps. We're just rethinking everything
to improve it. And um Jen Mullen, our finance director, has been um really awesome on it. So, we're going through it in a fine tooth comb. And so we decided to start the budget process a little earlier. So what that does is it moves the budget policy from November
into October. >> Okay. >> So um I think it's great and >> kind of throw me off. >> Okay. >> All right. Are we we're >> Can I just ask a question on October 7th very briefly? The article 97 issues with the library property that the the
property across the street will we have the resolution of that? Yes, I think we're pretty well resolved that at this point that the um you know the the research continues, but the material that um you know we've developed already
to date um would indicate in the um opinion of council that you know they haven't really formalized it, but I've discussed it with them that it it appears that the the library site we gave them are those two particular lots. One of them is the quote unquote
Simpkins field which is the 9 acre uh that is the field that that was laid out and protected as the Sears playground in 1931. And so um the the idea is that is
protected under the um article 97 and that leaves the um secondary parcel which is similar in size that is um I I guess you'd say to the east directly of of that that has on it the MacArthur
school building and um undeveloped property around it would be available and and that's what the committee's working on that site. site and so they hope to make a presentation to the board and um they're also examining the um you know MacArthur building itself and um so
they'll have some preliminary recommendations. >> Oh, good. >> That was what I wanted to talk about. >> Yeah. So, when are they coming before us to brief us? >> October 7th. >> October 7th. >> Next meeting. >> October 7th. >> Yeah. to not be able to do a public meeting ahead of
>> Well, before we vote on any application or any submission, I I I I want to make sure that that we have scheduled a public hearing on uh their proposals. I I don't feel comfortable as a board with us acting on anything that's being recommended without the public having a
chance to weigh in. So, we need to find a place. Just I'm just want to get that out there so that I'm not sure what the date is. I'm not sure when they're making a submission, but I I feel very strongly there needs to be a public hearing. There's a lot of public interest and uh in in what they're
thinking about and and some of the plans of generating a lot of talk in the community. Uh most of it negative. So, I think we as a board need to hear from the community on uh on their recommendations and what >> I'm pretty sure, and I'm speaking out of
school, but I'm pretty sure that they have a December deadline for the grant. >> Well, all I'm saying is they they may have a deadline, but we ultimately are the ones that sign off on a submission. >> Yeah. Which is why I would recommend that we really should postpone them to November 4th and give them an
opportunity to have a public reading ahead of that. I think I think the my the way I would like to see it is I would like to have a discussion with them on October 7th. I would like to express my concerns and my >> and they can also
>> and I would also like to see the options because right now I don't know if we have enough information or options to have a public meeting that would be >> um and and and I would hope that we would have a joint public meeting with them um sometime maybe shortly after
October 7th. Yeah, that sounds good. >> Yeah, I think that you should meet with them on October 7. I I think that um they're developing a wealth of information >> and I and I think that they look, you know, to this board for guidance and um I think it would be very beneficial and
if we meet again on November 4, I I think to get everyone together and review the status and have that in the public, I I think it would be great and it may address a lot of people's, you know, concerns as well. >> Yeah, sounds good. I know. >> How many how many meetings are we talking about now? I want to make sure that there's a public hearing and that
the public can weigh in. >> Two two select board and one public. Sounds like >> No, I would think that the public hearing would be within our would be a joint meeting with them. I would hope here >> that would be my recommendation that they come in, they make a presentation,
they make it so that folks in the community can weigh in and speak to whatever options are being >> on the seventh. No, >> on the fourth. >> On the fourth. No, I think what what I'm hearing is is the chair Tracy is suggesting that we get with them quickly.
>> We should express I think we should have the opportunity to express and have a conversation with them first and see what the options are and have them be able to compile information for a public meeting shortly thereafter. >> Well, that's why I'm suggesting actually
that yes, we meet with them on the 7th, but that their public meeting be actually held here. >> Yes. on November 4th >> or they can do one separate and with us. But I I think it's important that we have um >> some public process. I we we need to hear from the public. That's our
>> it's our job. Yeah. Before anything is submitted anywhere, I want to make sure that this on our schedule of public hearing. Can I at least get some consensus on that? Is there an agreement to that? >> Oh, I think we all >> Okay. Well, that's good. So, now we just have to figure out when we do that. For me personally, I think that the idea of
having the public meeting as part of our meeting on November 4th um is important. It is showing people, you know, this isn't going to be just another public meeting of the library committee, but this is, you know, like the board of selectmen wants, not only does the
library committee want to hear what you have to say, but the board wants to hear what you have to say. >> Well, that's the hearing that I'm talking about. Yeah, >> the hearing that I'm talking about is they make a presentation, they lay out what their recommendations are, what their options are for this submission.
We need to be briefed on what this submission is because it's a little bit unclear to me. I know there's a submission of some kind of application or some information to the board of library commissioners and then some then there's some decisions on that. I think
that to me I think that's appropriate material for a public hearing and then the chair would invite the co the public to speak on any and all of the options and proposals and any other recommendations that they want to
provide. Um, you know, the last I was going through my records, you know, the last time we got this far, uh, we only had one select board member in favor of the final recommendations of the library building committee. All right.
I mean, >> that's why I think it's important to go go forward and express our personal concerns on the 7th, give them time to react to that and come back. um whether it's November 4th, I I guess it would have to probably be November 4th or a date we can set together with them on
October on October 7th um to have the public process. >> Is it is is part of their uh submission that they have that they have approval at the town meeting? Well, what they're doing right now, just
you gota you gota don't conflate everything is is that right now we've been approved to conduct the feasibility study. The feasibility study is being done right now. So they need to meet with the select board, get some
guidance, share options, then they finish their feasibility study and in January that's submitted to the state and on their timeline um they would also need to um take the results of that in order to be and I'm just saying in order
to be eligible for the grant which is probably $8 million worth of the projected $24 million cost of a new library. Um they would need from that timeline to approve the funding for that
>> at the April town meeting. So >> right now we're just doing the feasibility study, but in order to you know to meet the state's requirements, we have to get our act together and be ready to move in in the spring. So if we're not I mean those decisions all need to be made. >> One of the things I would like is an
update on the Bridgewater State. I would like an update on the building overall if we could have that or even if it's in our packet information on what what that process is um or what the status of that is before we meet with the library committee because I would I think as
part of the feasibility study the retrofit of that building has got to be something that's considered >> and I don't see them I I don't know if they're working on it but that is something that I think that is an option that the public needs to consider. Yes,
they're they're working on on a technical review of the building and um so so that that building is going to be a key kind of decision point >> but there has been some discussion that for this particular grant it has to be a
new construction we know that that would mean that would mean no grant >> right so that they still should look at it from the perspective of no grant and um doing a retrofit >> because if you can retrofit it for $8 million And you're going to try to build a new
building for 17 million? >> I mean, >> absolutely. >> I I want to know. >> Absolutely. >> As uh as I did express to him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay, good. Well, I'm glad that's happening, but I think we should still get an update on Bridgewwater as as I had sent an email to Bob, the
>> um their their website says it's closed, no longer at this location. So, >> didn't they move to either sandwich or mesh pizza? That's the information that they're putting out is that they want to set up shop in another Cape community. Um, for folks that might be watching,
yeah, Bridgewater State has a number of satellite locations. Um, they expressed interest in Yarmouth and having a satellite location here. Uh, and we were thrilled with that idea, the idea of having a a satellite college campus right here in our own backyard. But
obviously the the use and their commitment has changed. Um they've basically subletled it to the Cape Cod collaborative and we've signed off on that. Um and as everyone knows the deal is is that the the rent they pay is a
dollar a year. Mhm. >> And um the Cape Cod collaborative, I don't know how that's going or what's happening over there, but it's clear Bridgewwater State has now when that arrangement with the collaborative was made, Bridgewwater still always kept the door open, you know, to maybe doing
something with us in the future, but if you read some of the material that's floating around the town of Sandwich, um you know, Bridgewater State's talking about a relationship with the town of Sandwich and their senior center and doing coursework there. So, obviously
something's changed. They have seems like no interest. As Tracy said, the website says the Yarmouth campus is closed. >> I wish I would have heard that from them, though. I mean, it's kind of bizarre that we haven't heard from them. >> I would agree. I think in the past, what's been great about the relationship is they've been very open and very
candid with us and explaining what their plans are, where they're going, and what they're doing. But it seems like um you know, they it's sort of like a a bait and switch. Um, and again, I have nothing negative about the Cape Cut Collaborative. They do a wonderful job. It's a wonderful program, and I'm glad
they're getting some use out of it. But I think we were kind of had we had sort of bigger ambitions and bigger hopes and dreams for that facility. That's why I like the chair. I I I look at that as as an ideal site for a future South Armouth Library. And um that's the main reason
why I supported looking at this area, you know, from the very beginning cuz I thought having a library on a common uh would be an ideal thing for the town and uh if there are aspects of the building that need to be repaired or fixed or improved upon that I'd like to know what
the costs are to do that. But um this is kind of reminds me of deja vu all over again with the the 2004 project. All of a sudden the architects took over and then before you knew it um we were no longer looking at renovating or trying to do something with the old library,
the old South Yarmouth Library. We were looking at building something brand new but in a location that people were not particularly thrilled with. So, um I my hope is is that we don't end up going down the same history is not repeating
itself and uh I too am concerned that there's not enough consideration given for the MacArthur building. That lease is coming up and again I think we should be doing something big and something more significant that serves the community uh with that building. Again, I got nothing negative to say about Cape
Code Collaborative, but I'd be more than happy to work with them on finding a a new site in the future. um hopefully we can make this this particular site work. So um that's that's and and the other thing that I'm interested in just to feed into this
conversation, I think it would be helpful for the board to get some kind of briefing from council or somebody on a on on the article 97 aspect of this. We've had we've we've and and and and I'm okay if
that waits until December when they're done, but you know, we went through this once before in the drive-in site and uh that wasn't necessarily a complete that had its problems and we had another special counsel come in uh to kind of render a more thorough assessment and we
learned from that assessment that um there were uses of the site that were not particularly consistent with article 97. So, I think this the concerns have been raised and I think we need to do really extensive due diligence on this because I don't want to repeat of what
happened with the drive-in site where the assessment of article 97 uses was inadequate to begin with and we were allowing some uses and some considerations that uh were totally inappropriate. So, >> Madam Chair, could I also suggest that
in addition to um Bridgewater, we should have information on Cape Cod Child Development then on on what p what exactly are they doing? >> The collaborative >> the collaborative I'm sorry uh at the collab what are they doing on the property? You know what, you know, so it
would be a comprehensive look at what's >> they have a new executive director I've met with recently and they're dying to meet with the select board. um they're very excited about what they've been doing there. They've put well over $2 million into that building.
>> They they've made major investments um and and so they they've got a lot of programming going and and they they've been anxious to we've sort of been holding them off while this process is ongoing. But um >> they the collaborative have put $2
million into it or Yes. >> Bridgewwater? >> No, Bridgewwater hasn't put anything into it. Okay. They they signed the lease and then they sub did the sub lease to the Cape Cod collaborative and and they haven't held any college courses, but the collaborative has um
upgraded the whole, you know, heating system and they've got all of their programs in there >> and and the collaborative um is there's a strong benefit there for a lot of our families. I mean, you know, there's a strong benefit even for our um transportation funding to not have to
take those students in. Um >> well, the collaborative is very important, you know, and and I I think Mark stated it, you know, um that the best if if if they move out, we're going to have to try to find another place for them. We we benefit financially tremendously from that because what what
is a consortium of all of the school committees on Cape Cod that provide special education services that um previous to this required offcape placements and and some of those placements are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars and they can provide those services on the Cape. So
so there is a value. It's a great program. Um and um so so as I say, you know, they're anxious to >> I agree. So, I think we need to we need to get an update on both those Bridgewater and the collaborative and um you know be thinking about that building
and where you know I I didn't know that they had invested $2 million in that but um I don't think I was here when we did the subleass perhaps we did but um it's always been my frustration that they didn't bring the programmatic um changes
that they had committed to but when they first came they also invested millions um in doing upgrades with that building. But I think we need to look at it. We need to look at it holistically. Maybe we set aside a a meeting to just talk about
>> possibilities. Um but in any event, if we could, you know, get some of that information before October 7th or close by, then that would be helpful. And I I I think the big piece
is the um I've I've asked them to the the whole you know library committee team and their um OPM and the designer to initiate you know we we've launched a major structural analysis of that building to determine exactly what you
have to do to it to turn it into a library. So, so we know we have that information and and you can use it as I mean that's important data to um develop a usage plan because it's you know it's going to smart losing the grant but if if it turned out to be more practical
um you know at least it's a it's a way forward um but but you know we need to get all of the data together and >> great >> perfect so we're all set with October 7th >> it's going to be a busy night >> it will be a busy night >> and the 21st is very busy also So, I
almost wish we could maybe take something and put it on the fourth. Just we're going to be I mean, it's good to be busy. >> What's the pesticide form? Who asked for that? >> Okay. >> We didn't ask for it. >> No. And and you know, we could put the pesticide form off. The the whole pesticide forum was I mean, that was a
request from um the petitioners, Laura Kelly, and she's trying to work uh capewide um pesticide ban. And um she met already with the board of health, but the board of health declined to recommend it. And she's asked to be on the select board
and um I you know researched this with some of the departments that have been to these meetings previously with her and they're quite alarmed and and they've asked they don't you know they don't want to have just a um the petitioner in to talk to the select board that that they wanted to have a
more balanced forum um that provides what you know their reality is. Yeah. >> So, um that's why where the idea and I I have to take responsibility for that. I you know I I wanted to avoid just having a one-sided thing. So, we we came up with the idea of a forum. Now, it
doesn't have to be held on the 21st. I put out a couple of dates we could we could put it off. Um but I I I know that they you know, she's anxious to to do it. And um >> is their plan, Bob, to have something for the fall town meeting? No, the fall
town meeting is up, but but they they'd probably like to do it for the spring town meeting. Um I don't know, you know, the feasibility of that, but but that's what the the request was is to >> I would recommend if we could put that off until after town meeting. I think that would be very helpful.
>> I just it seems like >> December two. >> Yeah, I put >> Yeah, you don't have you don't have anything currently >> or even in January. >> When when do we have to have the warrant together for J? Don't we have to have it for the spring town meeting started in January? >> We're going to on October 21st. We're
going to execute the warrant >> or the next for the for No, for November. >> I'm talking about the >> spring one. We we we pull that together in January. And now now that that we've got the budget policy done, you watch that's all going to be moved up, too.
>> Yeah, it'll be moved up. >> Okay. Anything else on upcoming agenda? Yeah, I'd like to suggest uh um for something for January put at put at the bottom and that would be to uh review uh the town's water conservation
policies, measures, enforcement. >> That's a good idea. >> Um I've been getting lot asked a few months ago. I got crickets. It's weird, but go ahead. >> No, no. I've been getting lot >> I've been getting a lot of an idea, Tracy. >> No, >> I've been getting a lot of constituent inquiries um concerned about how that's
all working. And so, um, now's not I mean, as much as there's interest in going over it now, I just think with everything else on our plate, I just don't think we can fit it in now. I think we have to look at it after town meeting in in uh the January time frame.
But to kind of look at, you know, get getting an assess there's a there's a perspective in the community that people are not being conserving enough. >> All right. And I'll just leave it at that. and that more needs to be done to entice our residents to conserve water
uh during the during the drought with the drought restrictions. And so um >> so uh >> and we had the fees review too that floats in January that we we had decided last year. So, I think it might be
helpful to allow the public to come in and vent and uh express their concerns and I think we should be uh getting an update in terms of how things are working or not working from the perspective of our own folks and the community. So, I'd put that in
the January time frame. >> I have something else to talk about and on the agenda. >> Okay. >> Hit it. >> Hit it. >> All right. So, the energy committee has sent us a letter asking that their uh quorum that their quorum challenge be
helped by reducing the numbers from seven to five. And I know Joyce has very uh specific concerns about that. But I think we have to take some action and either let them know that they have to stick with seven or allow them to go to five. As of yesterday when we were
interviewing candidates for the energy committee, Mike Duffy had changed it to a request to have the core made uh to have the membership made five to seven, >> which seems easier. >> Okay. >> But so he's changed that. No, he he
pictures like a range five-7. >> I don't think you can do that. >> What? I'm confused. >> Yeah, a range. If they get five, they can have five. But if they get two more who at want to join, their charter would allow them to have seven.
>> Their charter allows them to have seven now. He already asked for it to be reduced. So I'm confused. >> He wants a range. >> He as well. He >> What's the difference? It's a quor the quorum. It's not the quorum. So he's having a hard time getting four
members. >> Well, until these interviews. Yeah. >> All right. So we'll we'll we'll >> but but then he was saying specifically well and he's he's convinced that there's another town committee that has this arrangement, but I don't know what it is that that they are um a committee
of five to seven members. >> Is it an ad hoc committee or are they in a bylaw? >> I don't know. I mean I'm not concerned because it's it's not a legislative it's not a regulatory or legislative type of committee that has to act on applicants
or anything. So, I I'm not sure if it's holding up his his business. Um, >> but I mean, it is >> he's in Seattle now. Uh, and in December, January, and February, he's going to be in Maui. I mean, he does it long distance. So,
>> we work with five members. I feel like three members is a quorum. Um, you don't feel strongly that that's enough. Um, so, >> oh, because that what their whole thing is to do public events and have speakers and stuff and that's a lot of people to
do all the arranging. That's not enough people to do all the arranging. >> But if that's what they're asking for. I mean, >> but they did but he did just change it to he wanted a range. So, >> I don't think we can do a range >> if if if there's a committee that has >> there's a committee that has it. I I've never heard of it.
>> Okay. >> So, with a range, you would also have to amend the quorum. So if there's five >> Oh, sure. You'd have to amend according to whatever membership you have. >> So why don't we just allow for the five with the three and if they want
alternates then we to do the work. We can we could do a five member with two alternates. >> I guess >> never had alternates, but I guess they could. >> I think that would solve his problem. I think that would solve >> I don't know how the board feels about it.
>> I'm not sure anything will solve all problems. Yes, >> this is true. All right. >> But we have found some people who are interested. They're they're not engineers. They're not specialists. And we're interviewing those. So, and Mike and I interviewed yesterday. We will see. >> How How do we go about changing it?
>> Well, he made a recommendation. So, I mean, it would be we'd have to an agenda item. And >> would we like to put that on the agenda? Well, I I would leave that to to Joyce and the committee chair to come up with if that needs to come before come before
us or be put on the agenda for us to act on it. I >> because you sent a letter that's why I have it here. But now it sounds like it's gotten complicated. So I >> I don't think it's gotten complicated. I think she's just waiting it out and hoping to fill the >> spots. We've got those members, but also
just changed his mind. So I, you know, I would probably not put it on the next agenda. >> Very good. >> Okay. Well, we'll wait and see. We're here when you're ready. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And you know, I will never let bad things happen to Energy Committee. You know that. >> I do know that. You have a special little place tucked away right here in
your on your show. >> All right. Anything else on this? >> Nope. >> Okay, good. Great. Move that we accept the consent agenda. >> What about individual items? >> That That's what we were just doing.
>> We were doing upcoming. That was the gender review. >> Okay, items. >> Sorry to drag this out, Doris, but yeah. >> All right, we're all set with agenda review. >> The end of this meeting really painful. >> Mark >> and I have none. I' I'm done. >> I'm just trying to figure out if we're going to if we if we are paying any
attention to this resolution and care about it or it was in our package. It's the Bonville Town Council Herbay of Herm's commitment to the value of freedom, justice, and equality. Do we are we interested in bringing this forward? >> I'm not, but it's up to the board.
>> I just feel like we make this has been brought to us before and I just feel like we don't have I don't feel like we have Is there an issue that you know of? Is there any issue here with somebody else being treated >> in the light of ice is I I believe is why this is coming back to us again.
>> I guess it's a feel-good thing. If you all want to do that and spend your time, then that's great. >> I think I personally I personally think that it it's on the surface I affirm yes, freedom and justice and equal for all. I think we all stand for that. I
mean, I don't know. I It's just to me a >> would hope we do. >> Of course we do. I mean, you got to vote on it. Whatever. If it makes you feel good, go ahead. >> Well, is it I don't even know. We could we could affirm that those are good things for this spec specific town because our powers go no further.
>> Whatever. What does the board want to do? You want an agenda item or >> All right. >> It's a crunchy feel good. >> I don't feel personally. >> If somebody came to me and they were not treated fairly or equally by something
that we had control over, I would certainly act upon it. I think that it's within our due diligence as members to do so. >> I have not heard that from anybody. That's just me. >> I think it's more like an an affirmation
that we treat people well here. >> We do treat people well here, >> but I mean it's a kind of >> feel good affirmation, I think. >> Okay. >> All right. Any other individual items? Consent agenda. >> I move that we accept the consent agenda.
>> Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Any opposed? Okay, Bob. It's all yours. The show's yours. >> All right. Thank you. >> Have to give up her. >> I I really have to hand it to Mr. Garren. Um he's quite the mind readader
in quoting. I did not discuss my uh report with with him, but um I I need tonight to just make sure the the board is zoned in on we have received and I know you've you've seen the the
materials from just emails and things a chapter 40B um affordable housing application for that dry cleaner parcel. something we've all been participating in the last I think three years with this um they had an eligibility letter
on a previous project that um I personally question as to whether that's valid um because it was a different project at a different time and you you need an eligibility letter that was commercial. It it was just totally configured uh differently. But suffice
to say, the issue that that we have today is that um the 40B proposal is very challenging for the community. And um we've been reviewing this with um it's been through our site plan review. We have a very detailed site plan review
process. The planning board um has reviewed it. Uh the community housing committee has reviewed it and we have it set up for uh September 29 for the affordable housing trust to review it as well. And the um challenges from this
40B is the all of these folks in town and and I I've been to several of these meetings. We've reviewed this in in high detail. Um the there are problems with this application in terms of number one
traffic issues. Number two, the density is much higher than um we um allow much higher than our other 4DB projects. Um it's not in character with anything in our community. Um the parking is insufficient. Uh the buffers to adjacent
properties, other residential properties are completely insufficient. And the architecture um is is terrible. It it just couldn't be worse. I I think in terms of having any um you know attempt to try to fit this on Cape Cod. You
know, we feel it's problematic for for many respects. Now, um Thursday starts the the zoning board of appeals. They're going to open the hearing. They're not going to make a decision. Um what what I would like to do is is we've got all of those uh boards I mentioned before have some detailed um comments that they're
submitting. I would like to have the select board weigh in on some detailed comments as well that at least reference all of those issues um that that I just sort of outlined. Um and and I think that would mirror what the um site plan review and the planning board has been
getting at. Now, you know, the the zoning board of appeals has a tough road to hoe. It's very difficult. The um so far I can say in the initial meetings that we've had, the developer has not been cooperative towards the comments that are being made and I don't know how
we're going to get, you know, their attention. But um we're also, as I say, you know, going to be working with the affordable housing trust to talk about possible options that how can um this project, if it can't be stopped, be
shaped in a way that it's not negative toward the community. I mean, we know we certainly need the units. We need more units, but you can't um have these development patterns that are inconsistent with our values and our community vision. And so, um, I want to
involve the select board to have you folks go on record. I want to work with the affordable housing trust to, um, try to invent some options, come back and, um, include you in that process. And just mostly tonight, let you know all of this discussion is ongoing. We want to
make the select board key participants in it. um by your next meeting hopefully I'll have um had a chance to meet with the affordable housing trust and we'll be able to have a you know a more targeted type of correspondence that I would ask the board to consider and um >> well while while you're talking about
this would it be I think it would be helpful for our board I don't think anybody has anybody seen any of the plans or descriptions of this project if you could help circulate to the board >> I I I will I know that there's been some stuff out there but in addition >> about >> I've got plans But but we can get
enough. >> Have you seen Have you seen the drawings? >> We got the We got what was submitted. >> I just had conversations with Kathy and seen anything. >> Okay. Well, we've got um a tremendous amount of material and at our last meeting that that you know, we held
another one I think was um uh last Friday. Um I've taken all the material. We have it in one easy place. We can share it with you. And in addition, I can share with you the results of that site plan reviews, the detailed targeted comments. >> Are you recommending we come to your
office to review this stuff? >> Um, I I can send it out to you. >> Oh, you could. That'd be great. >> I can I can email it. We have it. We have it electron. It's all electronic. It's all prepared and it's all assembled. Um, it's ready to share. Uh, and um, also I I think um, when we have
this discussion with the affordable housing trust, that'll be a very important discussion. So, I just wanted to highlight that. and and then and then I'd like to kind of work with the the housing trust to come back in into the select board and and see what they say on on some you know um recommendations
for comments. Um but you can certainly see the planning >> but can I interrupt for just a minute? Didn't we already send into the state a detailed assessment by the town of our concerns from all the different boards about this particular site? Well,
>> isn't there something >> that the that when and and this is kind of part of the problem is that when we had the the mass housing came down, they're the ones that issue the site eligibility letter, which you required
to have before you file for a 40B. Um they submitted an application for a project that was much different. And we had, if you recall, we all went on the site visit. Um, we had detailed comments that we provided. Now, of course, Mass Housing, they say, "Yeah, thank you for
your comments." And they approve the eligibility. Um, and if they want to do that again, I I think they should do it again. But we should have the ability in in my view to make comments on this proposal >> back to mass housing because this one's much worse than the first one,
>> right? >> And and we had concerns on the first one, right? And so we have even more concerns now and we want to provide those to the zoning board of appeals. That's the local board that gets tasked with this process. But but I've asked for an opportunity to provide those
comments to Mass Housing as well. And I feel that they should stop their whole process um until they uh get a new site eligibility letter. However, I fear um you could pick up the phone and call Mass Housing and say, you know, that uh eligibility letter that you gave us
before, I need you to update it and they'd probably do it. But I don't think they should without another site visit and and a hearing just like we did before. So, that's another angle I'm working on, but I don't know if that's really going to stop them in their tracks. So, >> what about reaching out to to Julian
Sears's office? He's um and Kip Diggs. they they're in the housing. U >> I think right now the smartest thing that we can do is get all our committees to review this, to scrutinize it, to get their comments together. I I agree with everything that Bob has said tonight.
The the project is going backwards. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. >> They came in they came into us before. We gave them a lot of input. They tried to work with that it then they disappeared for a while. Now they've come back with something that's just atrocious. >> Yeah. So >> what number of units triggers the
commission >> that I I would have to check. Um I I don't know exactly. >> Is it refer Have we referred it to them or >> I I think with a with a 40B um I don't I don't think that the commission reviews
those but >> well can't we ask isn't that part of our ability is to ask the commission to weigh in? Yeah, I guess it has to be of a certain size, but we do have the ability to ask >> for housing. I I want to say
>> I don't think you're going to find them having the ability to do it, but certainly worth asking and doing some due diligence. >> It's just a very small parcel. It's it's a that's very dense. >> It's jammed in on one acre. I thought the public comment tonight was
very apt when he said there are only 20 parking spaces there and they're proposing 27 units. >> But what the public needs to understand in a 40B project, the 40B is a state permit that allows them >> the exemption and to um you know they
can have a friendly 40b and work with the town, but a lot of times that this stuff is shoved down our throat. And that's what the public should understand is this isn't you know um something that somebody who's working with us to create a better project. I mean, they they did
this because I I'm not sure why I'm don't I'm I'm sure they're going to get more density through the state project than they they would through us, but you know, we've had success in the past. And this is why this is one of the reasons why we always try to achieve our affordability um uh percentage that the
state requires because what where are we at um in terms of the last project went online typically if we put so many online we are exempt from 40B projects for x amount of time. So are we not in a window right now from any of our previous projects? >> No.
>> Um no I don't think we're um we've met the percentage >> percentage to make us >> I know we haven't had a percentage but if you add if you add there's there's a criteria like if you add x amount you get a stay >> oh I don't know
>> and it's within so many years so I don't know when our our last project came online but it seems like we've added enough that we should it's not that we're not doing our part to add >> so it's as if you do some in a certain time period then you get a stag >> something I can I can double check but like I said we've got the I've got the
housing people planning everyone's in up to their elbow. So, we can get an answer on that. >> I'd like to know. >> Tootsweet. >> I love that word. >> You don't get to use it that often, but >> it was a good >> It's a robust expression. >> There you go. So, on that note, um I
want to recommend that people when they're in Dennisport, 626 Dennisport, um Route 28 or 626 Main Street, Dennisport, there's a very dense, attractive, um housing project, which has got mixed
use. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And um so >> 26. What I'm saying is is that there are other communities developing attractive highdensity mixeduse projects and that's
one that uh I've spent some time taking a look at. It's very well done even just driving by and taking it in. Um but it would be nice to have some sensitivity to our issues u the need for mixed use and the need for good design.
>> And um u this particular project is welldesigned. It looks nice. It fits. >> That's what we want. We want an attractive Route 28 corridor. >> Absolutely. >> A development that fits >> fits within the community. >> You can almost go back to our our
discussions that I can't talk about um earlier this evening. We're trying to have a vision for Route 28 that is >> going to make us proud. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't >> Excuse me. I'm In earlier versions of this project, they were the developers
were committed to that. >> Something's changed and we'll certainly try to find out what's going on. >> So, we can expect a letter for um our next agenda to be able to add that to our agenda review. >> Yes. >> For October 7th to consider v voting on.
>> When is it submitted? When is the public hearing? >> Public hearing starts this week, but it's >> it's going to be ongoing. Yes. >> Okay. So, just a couple of other quick items and forformational uh purposes. I was with our capital program committee
last evening and um we're the review is ongoing for our new capital improvement program and um it's kind of interesting you know um you know Bill was kind of my go-to guy on working with the um the committee and and it's almost you know
you you try to get a situation where it's so difficult to to replace you know bill on some of these things were going overkill. So, it was great last night that I our finance director, I was there. Um, we we had the IT folks there, we had the um Jay Grandandy, our
projects manager that um suffice to say that, you know, I've had, you know, there's a lot of issues and concerns about our long-term financial planning, capital planning, which um is really moving ahead um pretty well. And so, um, we look forward very much to
having a a capital improvement program that, um, is complete, addresses everything. It's not going to include a printing press for money, but um, I I think, um, it's designed to lay out the needs of the community in a strategic
fashion that we're able to make some serious decisions on. So, um the committee is um going full guns on it and um the the staff participation um it's it's a comprehensive effort. So, um we're looking forward very much and
we're mindful when we come in with some recommendations and we present those to the select board and to the finance committee and ultimately town meeting. It's time to start lining up all of these projects and seeing where they fit in um how we're going to get things done, what the timing is. And so that
process is ongoing now and we have it in the um calendar already to um at the appropriate time meet with the select board, have the public hearings, make the presentations. So we're moving ahead with that. And I I just wanted to also
um salute our wastewater team. Um we had a great meeting today for um that was our comprehensive wastewater meeting and um it was in the morning but I you know I I want to say that um that was strategic. You know it was requested by
the business community to have it at that time so that they could participate more fully. And we had this room full of um representatives from the business community from from the chamber from um and even local residents um as well. But
in in addition, we took advantage of I you know, I want to really thank the the select board and I I think it was at your last meeting made the suggestion as we continue to prepare this outreach information to take a step back, right? Climb back up the ladder and um you
know, remind folks, present strongly to the community, why are we doing this project in the first place? What are the issues we're confronting? Um what's the nature, the character, the timing, what are the phases? go back to square one. And so um we put together the agenda in
a fashion and um Jeff's team with Lori Rosala and Ryan Chase did a great job that and and with our communications team we worked up the content to present it um in pieces so that um we essentially made three videos from this
one meeting that we'll be showing this meeting over and over on the local access channel so people can get the full boat of it. But we made a separate presentation on all of the background material, the why, um how the pictures of the utrification in the waters and
the algae blooms and everything. And and that's going to be a standalone video that we're going to show over and over. And then there was a um a detailed review of all of the work that we've done to date. Contracts one, contracts two, contract three, contract four. um
what needs to be done and and you know those are almost all completed and you know we've been through hell as a community in terms of um you know that the whole construction process but we've made a tremendous and you'd be surprised the progress that we've made when you
show it up there. And so that's another separate video. And then the third video, they did a very detailed review of what's going to happen in contract five, what people can expect, the communications improvements, and they're already they've meeting with every
person along the line individually now. So, it's a much different approach even now than we've taken for the initial contract. So, that went very well, I thought, and it's a good start. And we're still partnering strongly with the chamber to get the um, you know, the word out there and trying to figure out
how to make sure that in addition to all of the social media and the website and everything, uh, there's got to be a way to get text messages out to, you know, residents and business owners that opt into a program that on a daily basis, did something change? Boom, you can get a text message. Go to this and then
you'll see um, this change that you need to look at. and you know those types of ideas and so um >> I like it >> you know it's um it's some progress people's I just want you to know people's ears are open and the select board has spoken you know sort of loudly
um in terms of improving all of the communications on this wastewater project involving people and um the team that's out there um you know we meet about these things and we're making an effort and there's still a long way to go but we're going to keep hitting it
and um It's it's good to see if we can pick up this, you know, progress on um contract five and roll that into six. Boy, that'd be a nice breath when we can get off of Route 28. >> Where are we with um Roli and the um
work uh on is it Seaside Avenue? >> Yeah. Oh, it's it's it's it's awful. Um first of all, you know, uh with Ravoli um Ravoli has sued the town. >> What's that? Ravoli has sued the town of Yarm. >> So
>> and and you know we we feel they violate their contract on a daily basis. It's it's really outrageous. And um I you know that what what they've done out there flooding >> you know C view avenue and um >> Southshore. You know it's it's
ridiculous. And and I'll tell you, I I have the video of it that we put in the hands of the attorneys, and I hope that they show that to the judge in court when, you know, they accuse the town of all of these atrocities that this company has really ravaged our community. It's it's just uncanny how
terrible that that they've been. And we're lucky that we've had some such other highquality contractors like the Robert Bau Company. Uh but um so Ravoli is problematic. um they have more work to do down there. Um we hope to have
them done by um you know the first of the year and um you know we can't get them off of our streets fast enough. I can't even tell you. We'll probably be in litigation with them you know for years to come but um I want you to know that we're standing up for the rights of
the town um as much as possible. But this company's combative. They they recently announced in our project meeting that they now refused to give us a three-week look ahead. Now, how can we outreach the public and tell everybody what's going to be going on when the
contractor refuses to provide a three-week look ahead? It's just ridiculous. So, um we're offline about this ravioli, but they are they are obnoxious. >> We need to be careful with our comments. We're going to end up in court. >> We're going to end up being sued just
just for that. But but I would say is that um you know I hope they include in their quotation of me um I just sincerely desire um for them to fulfill their obligations to the town. >> Good sweet
>> contractual obligations. That's all we're concerned about is an orderly finishing of the job within the contract. >> Yep. Everybody everybody just do their job. It's >> on your update, Bob. >> No, thank you very much. Sorry. Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn.
>> Second. All those in favor. >> Good evening. Thank you everybody. >> Thanks Bob. >> Recording stopped.