if I can find it. Emails. Oh, there it is. There it is. Recording in progress. Here we go. Good evening. The Yarmouth Select Board meeting for June 3rd, 2025 is at 5:30 p.m. in the Yarmouth Town
Hall hearing room, 11:46 Route 28 South Yarmouth, Mass 02664. And for those of you who would like to listen in, um, you can do that on our town website. Um, we have access
to Zoom if so interested. So, opening our meeting today, um why don't we start by doing the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. And we have Mary at the podium because we have the swearing in of elected officials. I'll turn it over to
you, Mary. Good evening, Madam Chair. Would you like to go first? Why not? All right. Stand up and raise your right hand. Repeat after me. I I Please state your name. Darcus McGarin. Do solemnly swear and affirm do solemnly swear and affirm that I will faithfully and
impartially that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me all the duties incumbent upon me as a select board member for the town of Yarmouth as a select board member for the town of Yarmmouth according to the charter
bylaws rules and regulations according to the charter bylaws rules and regulations for the town of Yarmouth for the town of Yarmouth the Constitution and Laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Constitution and laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And the
Constitution and Laws of the United States of America. And the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America. So help me God. So help me God. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Pleasure. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very
much. Liz, you're going to be next. Oh, two signatures from you. One there that you can keep. And this one for me. Okay. Mary, where do you find these wonderful green folders? I like Is it a secret
source? I like the suitable for framing certificate. Oh. Oh, okay. Thank you, Mary. Okay. I'll now be seated and let Mary take over again.
Liz. Yes, ma'am. Please stand. I'll act as our You could raise your right hand and repeat after me. I I Please state your name. Liz Argo do solemnly swear and affirm do solemnly swear and affirm that I will faithfully and impartially that I
will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me all the duties incumbent upon me as a select board member for the town of Yarmmouth. as a select board member for the town of Yarmouth in accordance with the charter bylaws rules and regulations
in accordance with the charter bylaws rules and regulations of the town of Yarmouth of the town of Yarmmouth the constitution and laws of the commonwealth of Massachusetts the constitution and law of the commonwealth of Massachusetts and the constitution and laws of the United States of America and the constitution and laws of the United States of America. So help me
God. So help me God. Congratulations. Thank you, madame. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. Just need two quick signatures from you, please. You want to dab me? Uh, yeah, that's
fine. Turn this off. Thank you. Sorry. Damn me ever. how you were elected. This one's mine. It's so pretty. Thank you very much, Mary.
Very much. Have a good evening. Appreciate your efforts. Thank you, Mary. Okay. The Arma Select Board will consider entering into executive session pursuant to Massachusetts General Law Chapter 30A section
21A3 to discuss tenative collective bargaining agreement with IIA FF local 2122 if an open meeting may have been a detrimental effect on the beginning of the public body and the chair so declares which the chair does so
declare. So moved. Second. Okay. All in favor voice vote. Ar I. Tracy. Hi. Joyce. Hi. Liz. Hi. And myself. I. Thank you all very much. We'll be going into executive session.
We should be returning around 6:00 p.m. the dynamics of negotiating over there. Jerry. Yeah. Yeah. You got you can't Oh, thank you very much. And I have signs. I figured
maybe we'll put this. We might have to talk about going earlier on. The weather's going to be as bad as they're saying. Maybe go. No, I said earlier than I'll give you a call. Whoa. We got the big guns tonight. What? Me? Will you look at that from? Do I
even know him? What are they doing at golf? I don't know. Oh my goodness. Look at you. Welcome everyone. Nice to see semifull house for change. This is
great. All right. Do we have any announcements for this evening, Madam Chair? Um, two announcements. One is a thank you to Tracy Post and to Bob Lton for the memorial service and Dave Aken. It was
beautiful. And who else? Dave Aken. Oh, David Aken. Yeah, Deacon Dave. Okay. Yes. Add him right on. And then the second is um we're on the cusp at the Cape Media Center of an opportunity um for training that would give you access
to Cape U media resources. Um with a $40 membership and then just a nominal fee for courses. Uh you can take production courses, uh video production courses, audio production courses. um field
editing. Um there's a whole set of them, but here's why I'm bringing this up in the announcements. Um you you can go to the website um which is cape media.org, org. But um the new cycle of these starts tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. So for uh a
new membership meeting, you'll have 6:00 to 6:30 and then you start the uh video production class, one of three sessions um from 6:30 to 8:30 and I checked um and there is space in the classes. So if
any of you are interested uh what that gives you is uh not just the training itself but the use of the facilities and then the ability to put up um on channel 9 um things that you've produced in the
studio um and that that includes things like podcasts. So if that's of interest to anybody um it seems like a good opportunity. Uh memberships are um $30 uh for individual members and then there's a family membership, there's a
nonprofit membership. There are different categories, but they're very reasonable. Okay, that's okay. I have and Liz, thank you. Um, I want I think um our town administrator will probably be touching
on it, but I did have a um someone who reached out to me about the traffic issues at the corners of Station Avenue and uh Wood Street. And of course, we had we lost somebody at that corner and
uh somebody was hospitalized just last week. Uh, and I want to say that the fire that the the police department was notified um, and they probably were already on it, so I shouldn't presume that they weren't, but you there there
will be um, steps taken to make sure that that corner is much safer. Um, so are you going to give us an update because I have more to say about that. That that really is not a spot for the announcements. That should be held for uh later on into our meeting. All right.
Well, I want the people who reached out to me. Well, you can bring that up being taken care of. We can bring that up later. Um, another announcement. Make the appointments announcements. Uh, we still need to have people
volunteering for uh the recreation department and the zoning board of appeals have openings on the those committees. Thank you. The library building committee will be having a public meeting on is it June
June 12th place and time to be decided. We're probably looking at 6 p.m. Uh but yes, the location we thought we had this room, but we'll be announcing it on the web page. And this will be regarding
site selection. Site selection on the taking a look at the report on the 12th. They're going to public input uh from there to determine how the sites that have been available over several years in terms of
discussion more of an open dialogue I think so we'll be very interested in your comments at that time I have one thing under announcements we have a certificate um certificate of achievement here. Mhm. Um, and I'd like
to read it into the record. Uh, the town of Yarma Select Board official certificate of achievement. Be it known that the town of Yarmouth hereby recognizes Sally Kilgallen on the attainment of a 100red years well-lived. And further, be it known that the town
of Yarmouth wishes her the happiest of birthdays on June 27th, 2025, and extends its sincere congratulations and thanks in allowing all of us to share in this impressive milestone. Beautiful young people are accents of nature, but beautiful old people are works of art,
said Eleanor Roosevelt. This certificate certificate is approved by the Yarmmer Select Board on the 3rd day of June, 2025, and it's signed by um the entire board. So, we wish Sally a happy 100th birthday. She's a a resident of
Yarmouth. Congratulations, Sally. Thank you. Do we have any public comments? Good evening. I'm uh Steve Reynolds and I'm the recreation director here in Yarmouth. Um I just wanted to come up here tonight and thank Community Visions
on behalf of the recreation department for their $25,000 donation that's on the consent agenda tonight. I want to thank all the people who worked hard to raise the money and make this happen for the recreation. I also want to thank everyone who donated to Community
Visions. Um, this donation is much appreciated and will go a long way uh leaving a lasting impact for our sailing department and our Flax Pond summer camp. I just wanted to thank come up here and thank Community Visions for all
their hard work. So, thank you. Uh, my name is Jerry Oonnell. I'm just uh voicing concerns of people that I bump into. A lot of people are still complaining about the condition of Route 28. Uh the concern is that maybe during the summer time we have these kids
running around on scooters and some of these kids are going faster than the vehicles, faster than the cars. They're not wearing helmets. Um you know the problem is if one of these kids takes a digger and wipes out, hurts themselves. Um you know that could that is not good.
The other concern is that our safety vehicles, our police vehicles, our fire vehicles, nobody really goes down Route 28 faster than 30 mph. What are these guys going to do if they have to pursue a vehicle on, you know, going through Route 28 with all them bumps? It just
creates an unsafe condition, not to mention the wear and tear on our safety vehicles. Every contract has conditions and terms that it must meet. Are the conditions of the contract on Route 28 being met? We don't fix holes with
bumps. We don't fix bumps with holes. We're all very familiar with the condition of Route 28. Is this going to stay like this throughout the summer? The the ripple effect, the board the um you know washboard effect on Route 20. Is it going to stay like that? Um
because it's going to affect businesses and it is a safety issue. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comments from anyone in the audience? I believe I see uh Curt you asked.
So I have a bunch of things. Jerry just touched on part of it. Um the traffic was bumper to bumper from C view all the way past CVS in South Yamouth this afternoon. Nothing was moving. that we keep getting these
updates that oh alternating traffic is allowed and this and that. I'm telling you, I sat in some of it for a little while. This is unacceptable. This this whole project is a failure from top to bottom. You got the flaggers telling everybody, "Oh,
that business is closed." All right, these people are dying out there and all they're doing is getting a hard time from the flagging company. And then what he just mentioned about the road condition. It is dangerous. All right. So, I'm going to
give you another one. This is my show and tell. This is a ruler. 12 in. It's a tape measure. 25 ft. The wheel. I can do 1,000 ft with this. One of the things I could do with these implements is measure the width of a road. Figure out
where the center is and put the line in the center of the road. Go drive down Long Pond Drive in front of Stop and Shop. Let me know what you think. All right. And I saw something about moving some money around by CEDC for the drive-in. It just like nothing to see
here. There's constantly this moving of money around that makes no sense at all to me. Now, speaking of CEDC is I would like to know why they hate the Chamber of Commerce so much. The chamber's been a very good partner in this town for decades and all they do
is get interference and I don't understand why. And another subject was brought about the scooters and stuff. Every year they have these orientation dinners for the J1 workers. I said somebody should
be make sure they know the rule the road rules so they ride on the correct side of the road. They know when they have to stop. Blah blah blah. The whole list of of laws. Yep. Yep. They're told I've already seen them all crossing the road, not looking, riding on the wrong side of the
road. It's somebody will get killed. We've been lucky, I think, that nobody has, but it's coming. Somebody needs to stop what's going on. You know, we pay This whole sewer thing is irritating to me. We're paying a lot of money and
we're not getting what we pay for. They have no concern about how much they interfere with people. No, not just the businesses, but just the citizens. Everything you if you hear what's on the street, everybody says nobody will even go to 28 and try to do
business with somebody. They've just given up. All right. I think the financing is look like a house of cards right now because part of it's a diff. And if all your places go out of business and they don't have any increase in property values, that takes care of that part of it.
you won't have that money. So, somebody needs to stop this. You got to I I talked to I don't know if you people listen to people, talk to people. What I hear in the street, you should all be hearing. I don't know why you're not. If you are, why you're not
doing something about it? That's just totally wrong. We can do better. We deserve better. Do we have any other comments? I see uh online is that Cheryl Ball?
Yes. Can you hear me? I can. Okay. Um yeah, speaking of we deserve better. I wanted to make a public comment tonight about our state representative Chris Flanigan. Um I know he was supposed to be having a status conference recently
um which got postponed again. Um, but I personally wanted to make a public statement to call for his resignation and to also formally request that you all as our elected select board of Yarmouth also publicly call for his immediate
resignation. Uh, as I'm sure all of you are aware, and probably most of his constituents at this point are aware, on April 11th, Mr. Flanigan was arrested and indicted by a federal grand jury on five counts of wire fraud and one count of falsification of records. And these
charges came after Mr. Flanigan was previously investigated by the Massachusetts Office of Campaign and Political Finance and was found guilty of campaign finance violations stemming from the 2022 election. Mr. Flanigan has broken trust with the people of his district, not
once, but repeatedly. He has become a distraction, a liability, and frankly a stain on the office he holds. He recently failed to show up for the House's recent budget discussions and did not participate in the voting. He's
avoiding the people he was elected to represent and has abandoned his duty. And what's even more troubling is that we're hearing that there's growing speculation that Mr. Flanigan intends to use resigning from his office as a bargaining chip in a potential plea deal.
That is an outrageous misuse of p of the public office he still holds. Our tax dollars, our representation, and our voice in state government are not bargaining tools for a man trying to negotiate his way out of a criminal indictment. Enough is enough. The people
of Yarmouth deserve representation that they can trust. Representation that shows up, works, and honors the law. I personally call on Mr. Flanigan to resign immediately. Not as part of a plea deal, not when it suits him, but now. And I ask this board to add its
voice to the growing demand for his resignation so that the people of Yarmouth can begin the process of electing a representative who will serve the integrity serve with integrity and respect for the office. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have anyone else online that
would like to speak today? I don't see anyone. So, moving on to our next item on the agenda. We have reorganization of the select board. I would be happy to entertain any
motions for a nomination for our chair. I nominate Tracy Post. Madam Chair, I second. I second that. I'm way too happy for that. Okay. Are there any other nominations? Any
discussion? All those in favor? I I Tracy Dor has settled down. It's all yours. Congratulations, Tracy. I think that's welld deserved for all your work, Dorcas, as well. I'll
entertain motions for vice chair. I'll nominate Dorcis for vice chair. Second. Second. Is there any other nominations or any discussion? All those in favor? I I. Any opposed? And next we have clerk. Right now Mark is our clerk. Is there any
nominations for clerk? I nominate Mark. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion or any other um nominations? Hearing none. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Uh, licensing
chair. I nominate uh Tracy. Second. Is there any other nominations? Are there any other I said is there? That's bad English. I'm sorry. Hearing none. Is there any
discussion? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Appointments. Chair. I would love to return as appointments chair and I'm supposed to be giving actually a whole update on uh a draft
for some new um uh ways to organize that including an annual review. I would nominate Joyce Flynn for appointment chair. Second. Any other nominations? Any discussion?
All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay, we have next the ambulance waiver. Um, it's not really a heavy lift. Dorcas, you're doing it now. Happy to continue. Norman Dorcas. Is
there anybody else? Any other nominations? No. All those in favor? I post. Um, DY liaison. Nominate Tracy Post. Um, you know, I
love doing it, but um, you know, being chair is going to take a little bit more time. And licensing, I think that's a lot to put on my plate. So, I I I would hope that somebody else might be interested in doing that. I mean, every
Monday night or so, you can sit through a Tracy school, if you don't mind um my being somewhat conflicted because I am incredibly pro-educator, I'll take it. Oh, I know. No, I'm just kidding. No,
what happened last year was when you said, "I am so in favor of of negotiating the contracts for the teachers. That's why I took it." No, it was good. It was good. I'm just kidding. But um second if there's if I
nominate. Okay. Joyce for school liaison. Yep. Is there any other nominations? Any discussions on that? All those in favor? I I um contract negotiations. I'll keep that one. That
one I think you should I nominate Tracy. Second. I don't even know if it's if it's a year. I think they're all pretty well settled. But is there any other nominations? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? And the scholarship committee, we just concluded our uh annual meeting.
Uh it was somewhat of an undertaken this year. We had 52 amazing applicants. Uh when I first started, I think we had probably about 17 or 18, so it wasn't as much to read, but it will it's a lot of literature to read, but it's a it's a one-year once a year meeting. If anybody
else is interested in doing that as um it's a very rewarding committee. I'd be happy to take that. Dorcas, you will have given them rides. You will have a whole context for the written applications. Well, that's a good thing
sometimes. I move Dorcas McGuran for scholarship committee. Is there a second? Any other any other nominations? All those in favor? I post. I move Mark Forest for affordable housing trust. Second. Any other nominations? All those
in favor? I posted um alternate to the airport. Chris Greley is our airport rep. Um, would you be the alternate? Sure. I I move Dorcas McGro for the alternate. I
think we need to try to Liz, you don't have anything here yet. Well, I will stick with the MO. Well, that I mean, Dorcas has three other I'm fine to do alternate airport rep. I don't know if you're willing to give it up, but I think we should spread it out if we can.
Yep, that's fine. Pass, too. There you go. Is there any other nominations? All those in favor of Liz as the alternate for the airport represent I. Any opposed? All right. I nominate Mark
Forest for Clean Water Trust. Second. Any other nominations? Mark. All those in favor? I opposed. Uh public access. I nominate uh Joyce Flynn. Any other nominations? Any
discussion? That's for the media center. Yeah. Oh, okay. All those in favor? I opposed. Um, regional transit authority, we have uh Bob Lton as our representative now. I think that that's a that's a continue that that should continue. I would
designate or nominate Bob Lton. Second nominations. All those in favor? I opposed. Uh, no. Nominate Liz Argo. Well, isn't this elected? It's already elected. She is elected. So, I'm not sure we even need
to deal with that. Yeah, we should probably cross that one off the list. It's such a convoluted election process and you've got a three-year term, right? Yeah. No, it's not. I don't think it's a three-year term. Don't they don't we go back and forth between Dennis? Every year. Every couple of years. Yeah. There
is a term to it. I have no problem if if we name this position as our recommended candidate for that person. Just I just think it's something that we just need to keep track of. But um as as as has been stated, it's a very very complicated process. So um I don't see
any downside at least in at least acknowledging who's the current rep. Well, we will continue to have as our rep. There you go. There a second on that. Second. Any discussion? Any other nominations? All those in favor? I opposed. And our Cape Cod Commission rep
is Dennis. I move we keep Dennis Prebison. Okay. Is there any other any other nominations or discussion? All those in favor opposed. Okay. Thank you.
All right. Next item on the agenda is a hearing for the Salty Wish market events ritual. Hi, how are you? Come on forward. You can sit right here at the table. Make yourself comfortable. I'm going to read the public notice into the
record. The Yarmouth Town of Yarmouth Select Board Entertainment License hearing. The Yarmouth Select Board acting as the local licensing authority has received an application from Ritual. Holly Lemieux, owner for special entertainment license for Salty Witch Market event, a
vendor market located within the parking lot of 23 Whites Path, Unit L, South Yarmouth, Mass 02664 on Saturday, June 21st from 400 p.m. to 10 p.m. and October 26, 2025 from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00
p.m. Holly Lemieux is listed as the person in charge of the event. Entertainment will include amplification under 60 dB in recorded music by a DJ. The hearing will be held on Tuesday, June 3rd, 2025 at Town Hall 11:46, Route
28, Yarmouth. The select board meeting begins at 6 p.m. Written comments will be accepted until 4:30 on Friday, May 30th, the select board's office. It could be submitted electronically to public comment at yarmath.mma us. Verbal comments will be accepted at the
hearing. Bob, were there any electronic correspondents on this application? No, there were not. Okay. Hi, Holly. Hi. Thanks for coming. If you want to just uh give a brief uh description to the board of what it is that you would like
to accomplish and I know you did this last year. Uh yes. Yes, we did this last year. It was a successful event despite cold weather. We saw about 300 patrons come and support local artists which was really cool. and we aim to do the same thing again. Um, this year so far we
have 30 vendors signed up. Uh, I anticipate a an attendance of about 500 patrons throughout the evening. It's a night market, uh, familyfriendly and really, who wants to walk around one of those to utter silence. So, we are just
looking to play some music to create a nice atmosphere for people to enjoy. Okay. Excellent. Can I ask a question, Tracy? Just to when you say art, it it are those the vendors selling their art? Yes. So, um all of our vendors are uh
our ethos for this market is if you didn't make it, it didn't go on it doesn't go on your table. Um as a result, we see a lot of people um buying real art, which is amazing. We've had pieces uh upwards of 500 to a,000 sell
for our for our artists. We've helped to launch probably about a dozen micro businesses from just side h side hustles to like real businesses for womenowned businesses, LGBTQIAowned businesses, bipac owned
businesses, people supplementing their incomes so they can continue to make a real living on Cape Cod. It's really, really awesome, especially considering how niche we all are. Sounds like it's something that might jive with the Yarmouth Public Art Committee.
Thank you. Thank you. She's going to bring a butterfly nut and catch some artists. So, in the packet also is the affidavit signed by Pam about the notices to Butters. Um, so before we uh go any
further, there's also um notices in here from the licensing uh board about fire prevention and the setup your certificate of insurance. And um we will go to the
public first to see if there's anybody here in the audience that would like to speak. um on behalf or against this application. Seeing none, I will um entertain a motion to close the public portion of the hearing. So moved. Second. Any discussion on that? All
those in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Any questions from the board? I'd just like to say that I admire the choice of a place that has adequate Saturday parking. I think that's genius. That was one of the things we looked for
when I searched for a location for my business. Yeah. I know that this is very important to you and one of the reasons why you left um your last place so you could do that. So, I think that um you found a nice home here where people obviously are um amendable to what
you're trying to achieve. I only have I have one question non-related. Are you ever going to have your crystal bowl meditation classes anymore? Um hopefully this event also helps to elevate us back to the point where we're able to afford a studio space where we can um have have
more services for the public, but presently we don't have the space for those meditations. You had a great space before. Oh, I had to sell those big bowls. It was really sad. Oh no. All right. All right. Well, is there anybody on the board who would like to I'd like to make a motion that we approve.
Second. Any discussion on that? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Good luck. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you very much. And I'll have the um insurance I'll get it tomorrow morning and send it to the You can send it right to to Pam or Amber. Beautiful. Thank
you. Okay. Next up, we have a um hearing for the lobster boat 681 Route 28. And I'm while they're coming forward, I am going to read that into the
record to open the hearing a Select Board hearing weekday and Sunday entertainment license. The Yarmouth Select Board acting as the local licensing authority has received an application from the Lobsterboat
Restaurant located at 681 Route 28 West Jarmath. Mass 02673. Angela, can you pronounce your last name? I don't want to ask. I'm sorry. I don't want to do it any in injustice. Can I call you Angela? Yes. Thank you. co-owner and manager.
The Lobster Boat Restaurant proposes to offer indoor and outdoor entertainment Monday through Saturday from 12 PM to 1:00 a.m. and Sundays from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. to include both recorded and live music as well as occasional
performances for the enjoyment of their patrons during regular business hours. These performances may include, but are not limited to, musical sets, vocal acts, small ensemble performances, comedy acts, magic shows, or other casual familyfriendly entertainment
suitable for a restaurant setting. Additionally, they are seeking an exemption to the required four live musicians to allow up to six performers for occasional special events such as weddings, birthday parties, christenings, or other private
celebrations to provide an enhanced experience for their customers. Use of an amplification system is also requested. The hearing will be held in person on Tuesday, June 3rd, 2025 at Town Hall 11:46, Route 28 South Yarmouth. The select board meeting
begins at 6 p.m. Written comments will be accepted until 4:30 p.m. Friday, May 30th, 2025 in the select board office at town hall or can be submitted electronically to public comment at yarmath.mma. us and verbal comments will be accepted at the hearing. Have we
received any um written No, we did not receive any written correspondence on this one. Okay. So, with that, I'll allow you to introduce yourself and tell the tell everybody what it is that you're would like to do.
Thank you. Um, for the record, I'm Paul Tardiff. I'm an attorney in Yarmouthport and I do represent Aaro Yarmouth LLC. It's the owner of the Lobsterboat Restaurant on on Route 28. Um, they've operated the restaurant there since 2004, uh, when they leased the property and
then they purchased it in 2005. They currently hold a section 12 liquor license. Uh it's in good standing and they've had that for 21 years. Uh the lobster boat has a total of 334 seats. It's a big place. Um and these applicants have never had uh an
entertainment license for this location. Um they um they not only host thousands of guests over the summer months, but they also welcome all our tour buses uh in the shoulder seasons um because of their location and also because of the size of their restaurant. So, uh, they
are very good stewards for our town. Um, and they provide a great, uh, service for our tourist community and that's our biggest industry. Um, the application is for an entertainment for weekdays and Sundays. Uh, there are some changes to, um, the request that we had with the,
uh, notices. Um, so first of all, for weekdays, um, and Sundays, we do have a request for, uh, music outside on the deck. I think that the hours were a little ambitious on that notice. Um, we'd be, uh, like to at least change that from
noon until 8:00 p.m. Uh, and then it'll be going inside if there's any at all, but we just like to have the opportunity to have some of the outside stuff. Um, and then for weekdays and Sundays inside, uh, we would like to have during the weekdays 12 noon to, uh, 1:00 a.m.
and then Sundays, uh, 10:00 a.m., which would, you know, it might include brunch to 12:00 a.m. only seeking four musicians, not the six. Uh, we do have, and I did speak with Mr. grills for the building commissioner regarding some of his concerns with the um with something
bigger than four uh musicians and also with some of the bigger like the private weddings which would turn this funnily enough uh into a nightclub. Um so we don't want to run a follow of that. Um that also would require the
installation of sprinklers which is something that we are going to look into for the future. we come back to you for that. But um but at this point, we're just going to keep it simple. Um you have the locations where the stage or this the the not stage, but the
musicians would set up different places based on who's there, how many people are there, what's going on. They can section off sections of the restaurant. So, uh it's a it's a modest request. Um there are restaurants surrounding them that also have the same
uh opportunity. uh they're just looking for the same opportunity to give it a try uh and see what happens. Um so if uh if you have any questions, we hope we can answer those. Uh but again, those those changes to the um application um
uh would be part of any um motion that you could make hopefully. So thank you very much. Excellent. Great. I appreciate those changes. I might have one question about um it says no dance floor. Is there is
there potential for dancing at weddings with music? It seems odd that you would have music in a wedding with no dancing. There probably is not going to be any weddings there because of the uh the size. You know, you anything over 50 and now you start getting into the nightclub uh area and I was wondering about the
crowd manager when that when that's triggered. That's over a hundred. Correct. Believe it is. Um but they do, you know, they do have um a series of managers on staff with the liquor license as well. And you know, I think she lives there in the summer. So, okay, great. Thank you. All right, we'll go to
the public first. Is there anybody in the public that would like to speak for or against this application? My name is Jerry Oonnell. Um, I used to watch the Shaz back in 1982. I thought it was it's still one of my favorite places and I think it's a great idea. Thank you. Thank you,
Jerry. Is there anybody else? Anybody online? Um having no public comment, let's close the um so moved second portion of the meeting. Any discussion? All those in favor? I opposed and uh questions from the board.
Uh Liz, do you have any questions? No, I I don't. Sounds fine. Joyce, it's it's not a problem that the green cards weren't included, right? Because you have the certified mail receipts for all the addresses. Correct. Right. I I want to maybe just talk about
that for um a second um because an an affidavit was um submitted and I want to give attorney Tardiff just a minute to explain that. I I would say it is slightly irregular. Um in this case for um an alcoholrelated entertainment
license, we do require the green cards and that's not usually one of the ones that we go with an affidavit. And um in in this case um it's it's very clear that you know they went down and paid the full freight. It's so almost $6 a
piece for the full notification with the green cards but I think there was an error when they were sent out. the green cards weren't um included there. Although they paid for that service and um that so they they they wanted to ask the board um you know for your sort of
dispensation on that issue where their intent was to notify everyone and I don't know if you had some more. Yeah, I think the good faith effort was made to um I think there are 18 abutters uh that were listed. Um, Angela went down and did that herself um with the uh the
white slips um and which I had been um submitted. Uh the green cards never made it out, but I do believe that the town of Yarmouth was listed as three of different butters on that same application and I believe that the town received their notice. We received all
the notices went out but it was just the green cards were that's the the the issue. And when did they go out? They went out in ample time. They just 16th I believe. Okay. Of May. Yep. And they were sent to all the abutters. So they were notified. We just don't have proof.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. May 16. Okay. So I think I think the notice provisions although not technically followed to the letter did uh did occur and um I I think it's proper at this point. Uh otherwise we would be you know
having to come back and we're going to lose in probably another month this summer. So, okay. And um I apologize too is um I I I think I I need to go through one more time that the changes to the
application. Um it was rather quick and I didn't get it all 12 to 8 12 to 8:00 p.m. on the outdoor and the through Saturday 12 to 8 out every day. Requesting all seven days. Yeah. All seven days. Noon to 8:00
p.m. outdoors. Yep. And um four live four live is what you've you reduced it from six to four. Correct. And and the indoor portion I was confused about. Weekdays uh we're asking for 12:00 p.m.
So that's noon to 1:00 a.m. And Sundays from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. Unlikely we're going to be there at 1:00 a.m. But you know you feeling froggy. Cape cut in the summer. There was an
issue that um I I think just needs to be gone over one more time. I I was a little bit concerned to see the um building department comments that um about the the nightclub and I don't
know if it's been confirmed um the reduction of the four six to the four resolves that that that I I don't know has that been confirmed with the building department. It's the first I've heard of it. Um I I just know that you know you've got there's there's a number
of criteria that apply to that designation under the code that we we've seen before. It's it's not just the number of performers. There's the um you know one of the the issues is having the entertainment in the music and it's a
very large establishment. Um the capacity is well over 300 people. Um, I just have not had any of that confirmed and I and I think that um, you know, we need to kind of be careful of of what those requirements are because we really
don't get the opportunity to change them. It's just sure and I haven't seen any report from Commissioner Grills. I can go through um because I was communicating with Mr. Grills. So he sent me the uh code of mass regulations with regard to nightclubs and it's
defined as an assembly occupancy with high occupant load which is over 50 characterized by at least two of the following. Um one is low lighting levels and he indicates as a restaurant I'm assuming would be better lit than a nightclub. So he doesn't think that
that's a worry. Music generating above normal sound levels. He said is this is a tricky one. as they explained to me they're operating a restaurant and people like to talk while eating their meals. Uh nighttime operating hours, he goes, "This is the box I checked as being number one, so it's evening hours.
Uh tables and seating that create illdefined aisles." He said, "Not an issue based on the floor plan provided. Specific area designated for dancing. This would be an issue with weddings in particular, among others, such as live bands and DJs. Uh service facilities for beverages with limited food service. not
an issue as they are a full service restaurant. So, he was really worried about nighttime operating hours and also the specific area designated for dancing, which I don't think we're going to have that. So, um I don't think so. And I and I don't think we're going to
have any weddings there. I think she's aware of it. Um and well, I think if you did, you'd probably have to come back, right? Yeah. And if there was probably a if there was a wedding there, I have a feeling there would have to be a private place for the whole restaurant. to close, which I don't believe is going to
really happen. But even still, I think that that it's the dancing part, right? That for like structurally is is that isn't that a concern? We we're not we're not planning on having a dance floor. Okay. So, to me, it's a moot issue. If you I mean, if we
put that in our um our approval that there's no dancing, no dim. How about no dance floor? No dance floor. Um, I think there's going to be dancing the music's that good.
Yeah. When it envelops you, you know, because I know. Yeah. Sometimes that happens. Yeah. All right. So, I don't know if that brings you if we put some stipulations in our approvals. That would be helpful. And I And I just think it would be important maybe to stipulate
um, you know, it's based on the approval of the building commissioner so he can just sign off on it. I mean just it's the report and and it sounds exactly like you know the the issues we always review. Um the report that you've read is not the report that the select board
received. It's a different report. So we need to just reconcile the two. That's what we got was just the brief um the brief about no dancing. So okay, weddings etc. including and dancing and other criterias are
prohibited unless a sprinkler systems in installed. Okay. So we're all okay with those as long as they're if those are stipulations of our approval. Mr. Tardiff, that's correct. That's fine. Right. Um Joyce, do you have any questions? I I don't. Um, it seems like
it's an application with like different moving parts, but it seems like we have fixes for those. I'm fine with the contingencies added to the approval. I'm fine with it. Any questions, M? Sounds great. Okay. I'd
make a motion to um approve I make a motion to approve with with the amen with the the amendment of outdoor entertainment is only allowed from 12 to 8:00 p.m. that the application has been amended to have only for live
entertainment that there will be no dance floor and that will be contingent on the approval of the building commissioner. Is that amendable to everybody? Yep. Yes. Second. Any discussion on the motion? All those in favor I. Any opposed? Thank you very
much. Good luck. I hope you have a great season. Thank you. Have a good season. Okay. So, next we have, and I'm going to let Bob take this, a request for use of town property. Um, close. Um, yes. I I would invite Mr.
Tally up front. Um we have an application that um we reached out and and discussed that you know Mr. Tali had been um selling lobsters from his home which resulted in
a a zoning complaint that um has had a great deal of discussion and the planning board um has met with him to develop potential new zoning regulations which um would may very well allow those sales to occur. their timing is such
that obviously that won't be ready until a fall town meeting and so the select board um authorized me to outreach Mr. Tali to discuss you know that time period for this upcoming season which he's a little caught short and um to
have potential sales at a town piece of property. So um I contacted Mr. Tali who um has been an absolute delight to work with throughout the entire process and he's filed a quite a detailed application and we've had it reviewed by all of our various town departments to
use the property at the corner of West Yarmouth Road and Route 28 544 Route 28 um for a temporary summertime sale of his lobsters. Um he's need a motion on that or are there specific dates or the
the dates are um from it's 4 to 6:30 p.m. daily if he has the product available from June 4 to October 31 and I would invite Mr. Ty say anything he might have to say. No just that time
period basically that's it right there's not much more to say. I'll entertain a motion to approve. Is there a second on that? Any discussion? All those in favor? I Good luck. Good luck. Congratulations.
Meeting you the other day. Nice meeting you, too, John. Thank you. Thank you. Great. Thanks a lot. Thanks. Thank you. Oh, jeez. Next, we have the Madaks Utilization Committee status update.
A beautiful voice likes turtles. Birds too, huh? Birds, too. Okay. When I was eight, I had a parakeet. Not a par, not a parakeet. I'm
big fan. Okay. Simple. Good evening, Miss Wymer. If you would mind. How are you all? Nice to see you all. Happy summer. Yes. Getting there. Looking forward. Um, I will be
later. uh introducing our consultant Heather Gould and but she will be talking Zoom. Okay. So, we need to make sure that she's there. So, we will make sure that they bring her in. Heather Gould needs to be elevated,
please. And we're all set, I think. Yep. Liam's working on it. Okay, thank you. Would you want to do the clicker? Okay, I can do that. Liam, could you please
elevate Heather Gold? Sure, please. Sharon Gold. Oh, no. It's It's Heather. Heather. Heather Gold. Sharon sitting right here. All the gold family. There she is. Heather, you're with us now. If you unmute yourself, you could
participate. Perfect. I see you, but I don't hear you. I am here. Thank you. Hi. Good evening. Thanks for joining us. Well, thank you very much and look forward to updating you for a second
time. Um, I came earlier this year on January 7th and we had a discussion at that point and we are well aware that we want to continually update you and this is our second update. Um, I also have members here of the committee. Um, next
to me is our vice chair, Andrew Andrew Leard, and he's retired, but has uh served um has studied. Is it on? Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, so he has u studied real estate design,
development, and project management for office, shopping, and and R&D properties. also his second career in healthcare. He presently uh serves on the golf enterprise committee and the capital uh committee. Uh Lindseay Petro
could not be here tonight. Um but she serves as our committee clerk and she is a a present volunteer in PTO's and DY schools is the capital budget rep to our committee and has two children that participated in town recreation
activities as well as paid activities and fully aware of what town recreation may be uh lacking and has in uh previous jobs. She's been worked as a fundraiser for a nonprofit traveling across southeastern Mass as well as the Cape
and um aware of the communities up there as well. I believe she also does and I know she does presently works for a curriculum um uh company from Lexington. And Johnny Anderson is here and he is
our representative from finance and he has worked in the super rocket retail business for the past 30 years. He's lived in Yarmouth for 10 years, has multiple graduate degrees in MBA and a second masters in finance, is an avid golfer and traveler. And John is our
finance committee representative. Barbara Leavone is retired and has been involved in IT work for 30 years and a teacher in public education for 20 years and a former director of technology for the NSET in Borne public schools. She
has a BA in political science, a certified teacher with advanced courses, and she started for a short time volunteering at the family table collaborative and is currently volunteering for website development. Joe
Potska is here and he has worked in the administration for 23 years at the Cape Cod Regional Transit Authority. He has a bachelor of science in industrial management that from UMass LOL has been a member of Yarmouth's Rotary Club for
25 years. He's a founder and president of the Yarmouth soccer league and serves as a soccer official now and B basketball basketball referee now. His wife was a teacher at the Emmy Small and uh the station a school and has children
who went to DY. Casey Schmidt is not here tonight. Um he is our newest member is presently the CEO of an artificial uh company artificial intelligence company a tech start and has double masters from
Boston College in in political science and one from the US Naval War College in national security strategy. He spent 16 years in the US government service as a diplomat and a total of 20 years experience driving and leading policy initiatives in the federal government.
He has children in DY and married a DY graduate and has um uh connection and understanding of the Yarmouth recreation interests and equities. I wanted to do that because they've been coming to meetings all the time. They've been the
leazison that have been working in terms of our assistant town managers uh prescribed process. Some of the slides you've seen before um but we'll go over a few. The second slide talks about your charge to us that
you voted for us as a uh as a committee of seven voting seven. No, that's right. You're there. Am I good? Yes, you're fine. Um and your select board charge I tend to read. Um
but I'll just read some of it. We are here to create an effective reuse plan in a manner that considers multiple alternatives toward achieving a proposal for the reuse of the Madaki site. Um, we
hope to, um, include the many interests in the property in an impartial manner and combine that input with technical support that we will look to Heather for and to determine alternative scenarios that will that will contribute to
economic, cultural, recreational, tourism, social, housing, parks, community centers or educational development of the town of Yarmouth. It has uh multiple layers and players. I do want to point out our first um
comment on the next slide. Are you able to I think so. Oh, there you go. And the first one is that it was determined by you that you know that there has uh multiple layers of
possibilities of opportunities at Madakis. It's 70 acres and uh it it could be from multiple uh areas and within those opportunities is the possible that multiple organizations would have interest in the property
which led to our assistant town managers development of the whole process. uh that we became initially involved in our committees in our staff in terms of what they have been used to for years that they've been developing. And so we're
very excited about the process that we're at. Actually, I'm a happy person because we've sign of kind of gotten over that and we're now going to enter our area um which will be talking about the preferred programs which is the
third possibility uh third meeting that each of these teams have had. Back in January, we uh let you know that we started um by um our assistant town manager creating a website and uh he's
added a lot of material to it over the months that we've been doing this. Um we had um two maps developed so that all the teams could see. They were a context and a base map. We've also did uh um our
town planner Kathy Williams created um a um and we've posted since uh the zoning regulations and everything we should know about the 70 acre site. And we've also posted um uh prior building
assessments, most of them prior school assessments of their own building through the years. But the newest thing that we did do uh at that time was our own uh building assessment uh in January of 2025. We've completed and post that
and that also had a cost estimate in it for completing uh an upgrade to today's building standards. Not necessarily what might be in it in the future, but just the cost of bringing it up to building standards. And then also we also have
posted at that time all the different plans that exist already in town. the the multiple vision, the t the planning board's vision, the housing board's plans, open space and recreation and also uh Cape Cod commission some of the
regional plans that they have done on on different subjects and we sent out a letter at that time to all the groups requesting they participate in the the plan of how we're going to proceed. Um that that process also allowed us to
save money by not expending money yet on consultants and uh so we we're very uh happy to do that. Getting there. Oh, okay. This you've seen before, I'm sure. Uh it's part of the assistant town
manager plan and what we learning from knowledgeable people. So, we've learning from housing and recreation and open space and water and and all of the different committees that you have here with wonderful staff with them and we've
asked them to do three things. Meet and do brainstorming which is go wild, give us all the ideas you want. Then we had reconciliation reduce it down to three ideas. And then we asked for final ideas
in two different levels. An elevated level of whatever they choose and a and a medium level of whatever they choose. And so we're now at this point, which is why I'm saying I'm kind of happy. We've stepped aside before because they
deserved all the attention. um all the staff and the committees that you have working for you have done an enormal enormous amount of work and we're very appreciative of everything they've done. Now it's our turn. It's a transition period and we're happy to be in it
because we get to do a little bit more talking about the full amounts. We've only really talked as we've gone along. We've also known as a committee that we we want to get to the last process which is the preferred the you know the the
only the one idea that has multiple levels and we've just got that in and we've just posted them. Um now we're going to start talking about them. We've talked about the different brainstorming a little bit on the way. We've talked about the reconciliation in our meetings along the
way. But now we've got the preferred program and we're going to be speaking about that amongst ourselves and trying to figure out where where we're going, what else we need and if we need to go back and get some additional information because we're not quite clear. So that would be
um going forward. And these committees not only we also asked that they include other committees. So for instance, the housing committee also asked the housing trust
to come and be in part of their discussions of brainstorming, reconciliation and preferred program. Also the the uh housing staff is involved in that process. Um I know from uh being a one of that's one of my
layers on is the housing. I know from working with Mary Wagan, your staff member, that she invited other possibilities to come to the meeting. Um, there was maybe one or two others, but not a great deal. But the the the
real uh important part was getting the the housing trust together, the housing community housing committee, the staff, and there was also a representative from the Yarmouth housing authority as well there. In recreation, the same thing. We've asked for the recreation
commission. Um, again, we have recreation staff that was there, but we also asked them to please invite their uh users, which would be just different leagues, soccer leagues, etc. So, all of these were important. Um the the
difference for education was really they are going through Emmy small is going through as you know uh the process of working with the state to see the feasibility of whether they can get build new or renovate etc and uh so
that's a process that won't be started the feasibility until December but they have started um a building committee so they they are on their go so we will be paying attention to what happens s there as well. And then open space and water
supply uh conservation um and the staff and department have been wonderful too. They never really finished uh in terms of a third process because they're mostly regulatory and permitting and uh
and then municipal um we were only um did that late and and Bill was looking for brainstorming in terms of what the municip municipal needs were um going forward.
Um so in terms of the brainstorming section um CEDC u economic development your local economic development um had a separate brainstorming and they came up
with 11 different ideas and they would they're variety they were tournament center sports facilities housing commercial center medical municipal uses trade school uh also became also in the
uh chamber brainstorming which was our first um communication actually with the Yarmouth Chamber of Commerce and um so there they additionally had seven so there were like 17 ideas that came out of the brainstorming for this uh for
this um economic development in housing with the groups that I talked about there were 24 ideas in um brainstorming in municipal um um he uh
totaled 11 as you can see by the chart for for those three 53 ideas were done. In our next then recreation came up with seven and it include a complex sports facility varying scales and user groups and open
space. They had some natural resource enhancements like trails and gardens and ecourism. uh education uh we're we'll be waiting as I indicated before in terms of more information from them um and then uh
that that group had an additional 11. So in total we had 64 ideas for brainstorming and and we'll go now to uh reconciliation which is the term they use for coming back down to three
ideas big bills right big beautiful bill we I think we'll I think we'll get there you slide okay no next slide reconciliation so This is where the three came down to three ideas. So, um
economic development uh the combined uh interests of of both the local economic development council and the um Yarmouth Chamber. Uh these were some of the mixes of the three that they're concerned
about. Standalone indooroutdoor sport complex is a combination of of uh items. a sports con complex with an events center. Um, and that was another one and mixeduse development above with retail.
Um, housing had mixed residential apartment units with the range depending on the density per acre that they could um add and mixed residential housing sector including seniors and veterans and um families. Um and then mixed
residential and community uses with a village center. Uh as I stated municipal ended at the end of brainstorming and the other area of reconciliation is okay. Uh no that's it. Y that's it.
Um recreation. Um there was a tournament uh level and it was uh complex facilities, multiple fields and indoor facilities um attractive to wide region of
Massachusetts. The regional tournament center were multiple fields and indoor facilities with a narrower region perhaps Cape and Southeast Massachusetts. And then the third was uh community facility targets of the community. So looking for just to take
care of their own recogni recognition needs presently but also maybe some growth and having that is a one of the three. Um open space we talked about as being mostly regulatory for natural
resour protection and um natural resource awareness and operational ideas. Each of the per people in preferred um when they offered their preferred and final option also included um a number
of ideas that might be important to them. Um so that we'll have those things to work with as well and um and compending you know pending uh completion of study that the education do the report will include at least uh
one of the three ideas with space for the education of the ME small school. the next. So this is just being put in uh just recently. Um and this is the one
proposal on two levels. So this is where we want to get to in terms of lots of conversation that we have as a committee. Um the economic development the uh team's preferred scenario is a multi-person a multi-purpose sports
complex that can accommodate accommodate other types of events. Um, in terms of housing, the mixeduse residential with community uses and commercial uses such as like a coffee
shop or convenience center, that type of uh convenience store, that type of thing. And it contains uh multifamily buildings, single family buildings, affordable homes, and housing. and they have a priority for housing for town
employees in their present presentation. Again, this is the one that we're going to be working with as well as the others as well, but that we we now are entering. We're entering this new phase and we're going to start talking about
that. The next one, the other one per proposal. Excuse me, Madam Chair. Yep. Um could you explain what the ended at brainstorming means? Uh could you go back on the last? Yeah, it's on the municipal side just to help
us better understand me step back that whole oh ended at brainstorming. Yeah, they only did one. They were I our group was told that uh if if I may uh we didn't go
beyond brainstorming because municipal facilities are the perview of the board. So it just listed all the potential permutations of what municipal facilities could be there. So if you went beyond that then you'd be planning
municipal facilities without the board. So thank you. I didn't move off. Oh you didn't keep going. Um so but I think we need to at this point
um because we uh I just finished with education will provide approach. So the co accomplishments uh to date from now from from January to May. What else have we done? We've engaged in multiple committees over 15 minutes to 15
meetings to seek their knowledge and ideas. We've generated 64 ideas in the brainstorming phase and teams have narrowed the ideas as recently as last week to the one idea at two levels. So
that has just recently ended and we've worked with the consultant to develop the community survey. Actually the survey is completed. um MUK working with the consultant now to to develop additional uh public
outreach. We've spent uh the last couple um weeks talking about the survey and that survey was I believe put out late Thursday evening. So, it's exciting. Um, and we also wanted to show
um what's on the web page because a lot of people don't know how much information is on our web page. And this is even some of it. It's not all of it. Um, so we have building studies, the actual team reports that have been
updated now, including the preferred. We have conference and sports facilities reports. We have scope documents. We have site information regarding regulations and land use. That's the Kathy Williams report. We have other rel relative reports and links. Um things
that were done by you folks well before we arrived and housing production, open space, visions planned. We also have the um uh county's plans uh on housing etc. And there are other reports. Um we are
also noted in the corner. We now have uh a video of the Madaki school. So if you haven't been into our website, you get to see the video that Lori Sullivan has developed uh with our assistant town manager and all the wordage of the
different documents that we have in terms of the condition of the school. And so you it's uh kind of fun to go take a look if you haven't seen the video. It's up there. Um,
next, this is our site where you would find those uh plans in case one needs a visual. Next, this is our budget that we were given. Um, I believe it was in uh
November of 22, I believe, that there was an article for this committee and the article approved an amount of $225,000 for the use of this committee.
Um, the figures in red are actual ex have already been expended and they included the maps. um they committed. There's also a new demolition report up there in terms of cost and uh there is also a building
assessment which we talked about a little bit earlier that gives you a cost um for just bringing the building up to building standards today. What is that? What is that number? Do you know? 30 which the 45 million. Okay. 41 41
million. Thank you. And um not 24,000. No. No. So it also we were very fortunate and and the other is um encumbered of the other amounts are
encumbered. They include the the the BSC contract the contingency plans that you normally build in uh for the various products. So it's well spoken for. It's been well used. Um the contract I will
tell you has um a little bit deceiving in the sense it has two um consultants uh under one there's a subcontract for an landscape architect consultant as well for the renderings that are going
to be done and etc. And the other great thing that was done was the um the Barnstable County had just started a pilot program uh that gave out hours of uh planning uh with the Bartlett
planning group and uh Mary Wagan at the at the um uh housing uh took advantage of that and we started using Bartlett with with housing and so we're very grateful for that. So that was like an additional bonus that we were fortunate
to walk into. And then um next slide. Yep. Please. Um so as we go forward, we hope to avoid continuing the carrying costs of the building and the site by dealing with some of the issues that that come
up and making decisions and passing that on to you folks. Um and the existing knowledge um has been great and we hope to take advantage of the consultants that we will be using and we also are
looking forward to their public outreach as well as additional ideas for us to have continue to have public outreach as you so wanted the last time we met in January. And next in terms of our next steps um will
be to re review and refine teams reports as a committee understand community plans and studies related to teams out outcomes. We'll be talking about the different plans that are posted. Uh and we have um already established the
survey with a consultant. We don't need to implement. We've already established that. And uh we also well I guess I I take that back. We do need to implement the survey with the consultant and the town to make sure we get it all out. It
has been developed though. Uh and the same with the public process with the consultant. And we want to develop plans in concert with public and the teams as well as the the consultant and deliver
three alternatives to you by next January. And uh that's what we've been doing. That's what we're going to be doing and we keep working. We're excited about it actually. So I I think we're we're excited about finally getting to
this point and we'll see how things go. But uh we're happy about it. So if there are any questions, I I am sorry. I'm going to now introduce Heather Gould. um who is the head planning director of
the BSC group and she is the consultant that will be working with us and we're excited about her um joining us. Thank you Sharon. Um I just wanted to say a few words. Um BSC is very familiar
with the town of Yarmouth. We are presently working with Kathy Williams on the local comprehensive plan. My colleague Jeff Bag has been really taking the lead with that project. Um we're really excited by this Madakis project as well. Um in terms of working
with the MUK and the next steps um as we mentioned the survey link is now live. Um it is through an ArcGIS survey 123 application. Um it is very similar to a survey monkey type of
platform. So there are ranking questions. There are yes and no questions. Um there are questions where you can choose several answers. Um and at the end of the survey there's also an opportunity to just provide general comments um if you feel that concerns
haven't been addressed. That survey link is now available on the town's website. Um, under the Madis uh web page, there is a flyer that has a clickable link that will bring you straight to the survey. Um, or you can
type in the the shortcut uh link that was provided as well. um that will remain open until June 30th and we are working to come up with the promotional materials to you know send that notice
far and wide throughout town to make sure that everybody who has heard about it is filling it out. Once a survey is submitted uh the person will not be able to resubmit. Um, so once that is clicked as final, then the next time you try to
access the site, it'll come up as saying that you've already submitted a response. Um, along with having the online survey, there will be paper copies available at town hall, the town libraries, and the senior center. Um, and those if they're completed will be
uh scanned over to BSC and we will incorporate them into the electronic platform to ensure that we are able to have that um survey um analysis be representative of all of the responses received. I did want to also put a save
the date out there for July 15th. working with MUK, we will have a public workshop and that will be uh a hybrid similar to what we've done with the local comprehensive planning process. Um we will have an in-person component and an online component. BSC will have
representatives working with ADM committee members to staff small um small group facilitated discussions um related to the results that we get back from the survey. Um which is why that deadline is June 30th for the survey to
be completed so we can have some of that information compiled and ready to go for the July 15th event. Um that will be at town hall in the public hearing room. Um, in terms of working with the the muck and the concepts, we are going to
spend the summer working through the different concepts, working through the public input that we've received to come up with these site concepts for reuse. Um, you know, continually getting
feedback and refining them. They will be multiple touch points for the select board to have an opportunity to participate whether it's through the public engagement process or to presentations and updates to the select board. Um and then we're hoping that you
know ultimately we will be able to have consensus and be able to identify one preferred conceptual reuse scenario once those three three concepts have really been vetted. Um, so looking to make a final presentation uh in early 2026 to
the board. Excellent. Thank you, Heather. And thank you so much, Sharon, and your committee. Reading um the expertise of each one of them that they offer has been um just a gift to the town really. So, I thank you all for your time. And for the public at home,
tinyurl.commatake survey. They want to take the survey. Um, of course it is. I just checked to make sure we get to There is a direct link um on the website and I want to thank Bob. Um, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. No, that's that's the link.
The tiny URL back survey, right? But I want to thank the posting on the that was done u with Bob's help too that um guides people to where that direct link is. on team muk. Team muck. That's
right. All right. Team t-shirts. That's right. You are. Do you have any questions? Yeah, I do. And I and I join the the chairman in uh commending you and uh everybody on the committee for for all of the time and energy that you're putting into this. Um and also
kudos to Bill for um keeping it all together. He's he's an amazing he's an amazing assistant town administrator. Um the thing that I want to get across first of all to um to Heather is uh we're at a critical juncture here and the survey work needs a lot of outreach
and publicity and and community really getting the word out. It's important that we get a lot of response on the survey. Just from my own experience in working on a variety of projects here in town over the years, um this town has served well when we get to hear loudly
and clearly from the community. That was evidence to the drive-in site redevelopment when the town developed surveys on that property and it finally helped crystallize a direction that we should go in. And I think pretty much when you look at that site and compare the site in terms of what's being done
there, it's very much in line with what the community wanted. So I think this next phase is going to be incredibly important. And so I'm you know I I really whatever and anything that can be done with our own communications and PR team and and staff u this this is an
opportunity that we can't not take full advantage of the the public engagement piece. Did you want to respond to that? I did because um one of your staff uh Kathy Williams um she and I had a chance to speak yesterday and um she indicated
a willingness um to help us or help the town actually with a multiple of um ideas in terms of the process of getting the survey out. And so I'll be sharing that uh when I have the official
written um list of everything we're going to do via Kathy's help. Um that's great. We'll be talking to uh at our next meeting on Monday. That's great. The um and I know there might be a tendency to get into some of the specific ideas and I'll try to refrain
from that. But the the one thing that that I've picked up in my sitting in on many of these meetings and uh I've enjoyed the public forums where the residents in the community have had a chance to come in and speak. Um but the
thing that has amazed me is this desire to do something that can be impactful. It's sort of like this is an opportunity for the town of Yarmouth. And um and I just think that that's I just want you
to know I think that's the seriousness with which this entire board really takes this whole project. That's why um we're impressed with the work that's been done to date. The way the consultants being engaged to help sort of look at a narrow set of options that
have been at least vetted. Uh we know this is there's more work that has to be done, but we've actually brought the process to a very critical point right now where there's some things to look at and analyze and begin to evaluate and that we're doing it before um we're doing that analysis before we hear from
the people so that we can get the real benefit of what the community of Yarmouth wants to see. And uh so I I applaud everybody that's been involved in this effort that the process has been terrific. I know at times it can be tiring and exhausting and at times your eyes can glaze over when when you hear
all the different acronyms and everything, but I think by and large everybody's done a great job. So I I applaud you all. So thank you. Well, thank you for speaking so kindly. Dorcas, I think you're all doing a great job and I look forward to your next report.
Thank you, Joyce. Thank you for bringing such a a rich approach to an extremely complex set of decisions. Um I know that you've been working very hard, but I noticed that you instead of looking exhausted look
I'll look happy and energized. So uh good for you and we look forward to future reports. Thank you Liz. I'm a little bit confused about the municipal uh ended at brainstorming because
clearly there were ideas that came that are community oriented. Um so can we examine that a little bit so I understand it? Sure. Um no I was going to say that um again it's
really your purview I think is what Bill's point was the select board's purview. So, I'm sure he will be serving and maybe via us just in terms of what those uh properties are. Um there's already it's up on the website if you
want to go look as to what he gleaned from just the brainstorming part and he would like it to go forward to your discussion. um which you can relay to us if you choose to but I think what his point is it is totally your purview of
what is done Bill yeah um I I think what the municipal side is a brainstorming is just a list of possibilities you know sort of if then so library town hall and
things like that and then you list them in there and as the muck committee moves forward forward. Let's say you do have a sports facility, maybe the recreation department goes there and what are the implications of that and where do they come from in that? So, it's almost as if
they can be pieces of the puzzle. But it's difficult to sort of get to the reconciliation, the three ideas and then the one when there's no overall sort of capital facilities plan that guides you to say we want to move out of this
building and you know in the future move out of this building. So there's a list of opportunities which is you know multiple uh municipal opportunities could go there or one and then what are the ripple impacts of that. Um that way
as MUK moves forward they may decide to include a municipal component. Uh but then that's entirely up to the board how that moves forward because they're extensively your buildings. So I understand I'm sorry. No go ahead. would
the uh I guess I I I'm having a hard time grasping how one can be done without the other's involvement. Are they going to not consider for instance a library at that site? Well, the library committee has already got that site on
their list, so they'll consider it. But the uh the issue is there's a committee for each of the land uses. There's housing, there's recreation, and the committee for municipal buildings is you the Well, at the same time though, wouldn't the library have you been in
contact with the library committee? I personally I I want my vision of this is to be as an open process as possible and the fact that municipal uses have been brought to you.
Um I think that you know based on the community I would like to hear I would like you and not not to totally delegate that authority but at the same time because there is no there are no specific committees other than
potentially the library board for some of these things to advocate for themsel. I don't think that that's fair that that maybe gets left out. So I in my mind um the process should be as open as possible and the committee your committee should be bringing us what
they think the best recommendation is for our community as a whole and if that includes a municipal use it includes a municipal use. If it doesn't it doesn't. Um but I mean if we sit here and say it's our buildings and we want this there would really skew kind of what
your process is. But to Bill's point, if it's, you know, ancillary and it can be done, um, I certainly am of the mindset that I think that it should be something that your board continues, you know, looks at. Um, that's I'm I'm one person,
but I just comment on that. Yeah. I think I think bra I don't interpret that that this it's almost like it's an ongoing conversation. I believe the brainstorming that's I think that's the reference that it's sort of it's going to be looked at iteratively. I don't
think I'm not expecting in this process for municipal ideas not to be entertained and I see all the committee members nodding their heads. I see them thinking of those things very much as part as they move forward in the process. Well, I I think it's I'm glad
you're expressing your desire because that's what we are here for. Our committee is going by you. Um we have a lot of great support with staff who have been outstanding with other committees
that have been willing to participate in this process and uh we were um I I think all I can say is I'm glad you're expressing your con you know your wishes and we would we certainly are going to
do what you want. So well I'm of the opinion that I want everything on the table. I want you to look at all the potentials and and and you know in the and and put that out to the public. I mean ultimately we serve the public. So whatever that is at the end I would love
to hear it. I don't think that we should be carving it out for a particular use or not. Um, you know, obviously recreation has been very um vocal participant in this. Um, but perhaps there's other pieces of, you know,
there's no one collective committee at town hall that would say, you know, maybe we need to look at town hall there. I don't know. I don't I personally want everything on the table. And I and I hope that you as a committee will continue that process out of the ideas that you've got on the municipal
side and not um wait to hear from from us on specifics. I think that well there are a whole bunch of ideas in that in that document that Bill has created. So you really need to look at all of them. Um which document are you referring to?
Report. So is that a task we should take then? Is that the next step for us? I'm a little I don't know. You can decide what you also want to do with that. But if there is something that you all agree upon and want to let us know because now we're taking from you that you want us
to have a more I'm one person. How does everybody else feel about you? Yeah. We can't limit the playing field. I mean, Joyce, do you how do you feel? I guess I feel um that it's important to include
the possibility of municipal uses and I I sense that perhaps the committees um not looking closely at those may be out of an awareness of our budgetary concerns but but I mean it I guess all things of course are are on the table.
Follow what your staff has indicated to us that it's important uh that it be your process. So, we're respectful of that and yet we're open to anything um that you want. Do you have something? Yeah, I I I I think we're I'm not
worried about this. I I know you are going to look at this and this is this has come up this comes up all the time in the meetings like wouldn't this fit well here or if we're looking at sports and athletic facilities and event space, does it also fit in with recreation? I
know that ultimately there I I have confidence that we're at a critical juncture where it's important to start getting the community involved in this conversation and I don't see the municipal side of things being taken off the table to get the library committee looking at sites. We've got uh obviously
in the meetings a number that have sort of affected some of the thinking of the committee members. So I'm not I don't see a problem. Okay, great. We believe what you're doing. I think what you're doing is great. And I Bill, if I may, the the library committee does have this
site listed out of uh seven sites that they're looking at. Recreation provided actually a detailed plan for a facility. It's uh one of the attachments there. So, the only other missing component is public safety and police is right next
door and fire by virtue of response time locations probably wouldn't locate there. So you got a new DBW buildings. So the only thing on the table would be probably town hall. Uh because recreation library are already sort of
in the mix as if library doesn't like the site then it's not something that's the library committee's perview to move forward with. So uh I think we covered everything but this building in terms of other entities sort of entering their
proposals into the picture. Okay. I'm just saying I don't want any missed opportunities. I think everything should be on the table and I'm I'm hoping that your committee will will do that. That's my opinion. So, if you need something more from us in terms of direction, please let me know. Okay. We'll come
down and speak to you. Okay. And if I could Sorry. Go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Liz, I I I think that there are even some of us who fantasize about having town meeting back in the Madak Hall. So, if we want to get things on the table,
there you go. Yeah. Well, we have a lot to consider in terms of cost um and feasibility um all sorts of things and it it is kind of an amazing kind of presentation we have so far from all of
your committees and staff and it's a large amount of area for us to uh consider and you've enlarged it a little and um so we're eager though to get on with this process and we know we have
good people uh especially now that we also have a consultant uh to help us work through it all. So I thank you and if there's anything else you want to say to us as you read all the material that might be on posted please get in touch
with us as well. I would like to see the library studies that were done. Um, the feasibility study that was hired to ask the town what they want in a community
center library that I think would be on should be on your web page as a a link. And then the other thing I think you need to look into is the solar field and its the status of it and the value of it
and how much power it's producing. Yeah, we we plan to have multiple discussions, one of which will also be developing a list of what else do we need to know. So, uh we are going to go after that stuff because we want to include it to
you so you have everything that you need to make decisions. Thank you, Bill. There is a library web page with all the library studies on it with uh we'll be posting the library site assessments. There are seven sites considered and
each site has an ERR level assessment for it. You know based on if we move forward and we choose one site out of five then we can use those five ERRS for other analyses in the future. So we decided to get detailed on the
assessment. The library committee, as the former chair indicated, is meeting on the 12th to discuss all of those assessments and they're looking at ruling out sites and having a discussion on maybe in the remaining three. Uh so
that's in a parallel fashion, the library and we have a field study going on at the same time, an athletic field study that's helping us understand how many fields we need and the relationship to this project. So, there's like three projects uh two projects on the outside
of this project that'll help this project uh with guidance. Okay. Um I'm just going to say my my two cents about the um the need for a new school and that potential as well. Um and you know,
I've been concerned about moving forward with this from the beginning because of the timing of not knowing what is going to happen with Emmy Small. And I think that, you know, as I said earlier, I don't want any missed opportunities and I feel like um that potentially could
happen with us having this process done before we know what's going to happen with the with the other school. So that's really unfortunate. Um, and but if I could just add a point to that, the committee is very well aware of that and has identified an area
on the site where potentially a school could Well, I just I just heard from her that $45 million to bring this up to code. Right. Right. So, if we reutilize this building to something else and then the school district comes and tells me
that it's going to be $100 million to build another school, um would we have been better served to have brought Medicis up to code as opposed to a a different use? So, that's always the cons my concern in the back of my mind. Um and I just have to be honest about
it. Uh I' we've talked about it from the beginning about looking these looking at these things in in in silos and not as a collective piece and uh that piece not knowing is uh is of concern to me. Well, maybe what we should do is keep in touch
more often as we go through this process. um not necessarily an official update, but communication between ourselves in terms of uh anything that you see that you'd like that you're not seeing from us. Um but the problem,
Madam Chair, the problem that the committee has is that silo is somewhat imposed by circumstances. Yes. The reality is is the school project is working on its own timetable. we feel somewhat under pressure to make decisions about this
site soon. Um, you know, I'd hate to see you folks basically put your work on pause until we can wait to see the outcome of other things. So, what's happening is is that there's a lot of interorganizational communication about,
you know, making sure that we keep a breast of what the schools are doing. Um, and all I can say is is that um, the amount of work that not just the committee but also Bill's doing. I mean, if we were if we if we didn't have Bill,
we'd be paying consultants hundreds of thousands of dollars to really do all this coordination, do all this work, and pull all this stuff together. So, um, I think given the circumstances, everyone is doing the best they can. But if if that's a priority of the board is to
make sure that that option is real, then we should talk about that. All right, as a board that we want the committee to prioritize a new school there and to look at the costs and make comparisons with, you know, another alternative. I
think that's something that we probably should discuss as a board first with some guidance and then go forward with that. I I think that might be too big a burden to leave on your shoulders. Right. Well, I I do want to include that uh
uh the superintendent of schools has written our committee a letter and that's part of our educational um uh understanding of what they're going through. So, we understand they've uh gotten a building committee, but the
actual feasibility study part of it starts in December. Um, but in the meantime, he's requested that we save a piece of land. Uh, and we would be the ones who would tell him
where we're saving the piece of land. Um, which was 6 to 8 acres was his request. And I know that in your meeting being the housing leazison that, um, Mr.
Lton was concerned that it was 8 acres. Um, but we reassured him that his letter said six to 8 acres. So, I mean, we have all those kinds of information that we're going to be sensitive to and also
complete because we do want uh um if they want a school in West Jarmath and that's their final decision or they think something else, we want to have a a designed area that would be developed
either for a school or something else or nothing else depending on what else is put there. So, I think we can do some of that together. And I definitely think it can all be accomplished. My my concern
is that it could very well be the re um development of Madakis itself. That is the best cost-effective way for the town. That doesn't discard the work that you're doing because then we can tear down Emmy Small and you still can
utilize the property. It's just I think that that's something we don't know the answer to. But if we if we say it's clear that they want to build a new school, whether or not it's less than 45 million or not, I
don't know the answer to. So, how do you make that decision? Now, um, all in all, I don't think it has anything to do with your work moving forward because like I said, if it's a 6 to 8 acre parcel or if it's a redevelopment, there's still a
lot of land there that we can utilize. It might be different. But that's my opinion. I need to know that before I can make a decision because if we go forward and then we find out that we need to build a school that's going to cost us $80 million, we're going to wish we had made a different decision.
Well, the also bundled with that would be educational um value in terms how a school is built. I think you'll find if you're part of the building committee or whoever is part of the building committee that there are different design options. I
I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I believe there'll be different design options for how you build an elementary school versus how you would have to recondition a middle school. and uh that would be additional costs which I'm not
sure we would get to until they've gotten well beyond. So, um I think the design issue would be a problem um for us to consider, not necessarily to pan one way or the other because we're we're
trying to be as impartial, creative, and listen to it all and then somehow amongst seven of us voting members, right, create a plan that is going to meet a lot of different needs.
But I I would to echo the the chairman's concern is it's a question we've got to put on the list of questions to answer. Well, we will like I said, I think you folks have taken a wonderful approach to this and now that we've narrowed things to a certain point and now we have a
consulting firm that can provide us some of the more technical expertise in given some of the work that the school's doing. Again, I think we're clo we we'd be in a reason I think you folks will be in a pretty good position to help answer some of these questions. Um I I think we
all want to know right are we missing an opportunity here to do something that several things to consider as we go forward. The the other concern is is and again to the chairman's point um you know the school is going to push the school state school officials are going to be pushing us to try to do something
on station a and I think there going to be many of us in the community that would prefer to see you know some service continue in West Jarmath. Um, and so it's incumbent on us to make sure that we come up with the most cost-effective option for a school presence in West Yarmouth because
that'll become a bone of contention and in our deliberations and engagement with the school committee and the school officials as well as the state because I think we've already gotten a a sense of what the state's going to be pushing us to do and I don't think we're going to be too thrilled at it. And we've also committed to the collaborative process
with the DY Regional School District to conduct a feasibility study that's going to answer those questions. So, we're not going to have the answers to what kind of a school are we going to get until we we sit with those people and and and do that work. And and you're right, you're
going to have one team um from the state pushing for over a hundred million giant situation. And and I and I think that a lot of people at the local level saying that potentially this might work better as a neighborhood school and and I think that that's that's something that that
has to be managed here. The muck committee can't manage that. But but we need to those are the two critical points to reconcile. Then we'll have our our education agreed. It's just the timing of the Well, our consultant is with us potentially until January. And
just to expand on the timing, I know Joyce has been waiting. Go ahead. Oh. I was just going to say I was encouraged greatly by your mention of the 6 to8 acre set aside for the schools because one of the things I I don't want to get my mind into is a it's this or that and
with 70 acres you can do a couple wonderful things. So um thank you for thinking of it as u parcels within the parcel and in a holistic way. And I just wanted to follow up with a clarification from Bill and the the library building
committee. So they are they are getting close to site selection. Um they have a site report on seven sites and then they're going to rule out some of the sites and on the 12th they discuss with the public, you know, which sites they ruled out and what sites they
want to move forward on. So that's June 12th. Yeah. And uh we might at least eliminate that. Well, maybe maybe a few of us will go to that. Okay. So, that at least becomes controllable. Okay. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you all. Thank you for the time. Appreciate it. Thank
you. Fantastic. We'll talk soon. Thanks. All right. What a great team, too. Amazing credentials. Next, we have um speaking of school. Yeah. Emmy Small Building Committee. I know um uh select
board representative. I know I had brought this forward. Um they have already convened a committee and Mr. Whitenour is appointed um to the committee, but I thought it would be important um and they they agreed to ask
uh if there was a select board representative um and you know I don't I'm very concerned about maybe it's because my history and where we've been before but we need a strong voice to make sure that uh we're
represented. I know Bob um is a strong voice for us, but if they're um willing to have a select board representative, I think it's important that we I'm I'm happy to volunteer for that assignment. I I think I've got a pretty good sense of what the issues are that we're wrestling with here. So, um
if that's I'd be I'd be happy with that choice. Is there a motion? I take a I make a motion to nominate um Mark second rep small building committee building committee rep any discussion all those
in favor I opposed and um Bob will send a letter to them that thank you Mark and thanking them for our inclusion I I just want to make it clear I mean I think I've gotten a fairly strong sense from this board that we're concerned about
overdevelopment on station of because part particularly from traffic considerations. Uh we're concerned about a loss of a community school in the West Yarmouth community. Uh there are a lot of kids that are from West Yarmouth that go to Madak East. So to lose that um
portion, you know, to lose that asset in West Yarmouth is important. I say I agree with with that assumption that you're making because you know I think from the beginning it was our opinion that we were going to expand station. I think traffic is the issue. I mean, I don't think it's ever
anybody's originally that school was built to expand. That was our impression from the very beginning when we built the 4 to7 school there that Station A was going to be added on to. We weren't going to be building a new school. So, um I I don't necessarily I've never heard from anybody that the West Jarmath
community is um is it, you know, it's important to have that. I I mean I do think traffic is an issue and safety is an issue. I have to admit I I do agree with Mark on this because of the traffic and
safety issues. Um so I I prefer to think that we would keep it more keep it smaller and avoid all of that um complexity in the complex. Well, that's my preference. No, no. And
and I respect that. I just I would never have voted and spent the money that we spent to include Dennis to come to our town and have a joint school and now tell the taxpayers they got to build
another school. I'm sorry. I never would have made I it would never have supported that. And I don't think the taxpayers would have supported it because back then we told them that when Emmy Small was in bad shape, we were going to put an addition on and that was that was the plan. So that plan's
changed and I understand that. But I don't necessarily think that the community has ever said to me that they want a school in West Jarmath. So you do you would prefer So if the school were in on the station avenue complex, it would be shared with Dennis.
No. Oh, okay. No, because it's elementary school, right? Well, that's Dennis had No, no, it's elementary. But there are other concerns that have been brought up about that area, too. Because if I remember correctly, when the superintendent was here, he was saying
that Station Avenue has kind of expanded its boundaries and that they really don't have what was everyone was led to believe would be there. Um, doesn't exist. There there are a lot of parameters. I think we all agree there
are a lot of parameters that have to be looked at here and we won't rule out. We've also talked about the school over here as becoming available. So, so to say that we want one in West German, I don't think that we should be just my own opinion. No, I've I've suggested
this school as as the priority need an affordable. When the board has discussed the MacArthur school, I've I've made it abundantly clear we should be using existing buildings to that one. So I and that was an elementary school and it was in but I did do some research just on the
school population. There is a s I mean most of the kids that go to Madak excuse me Margarit small they're from West Yarmouth and from that area of town and that's just something that we can't overlook. West Yarmouth has always been the forgotten part of the community. They always get left behind on so many
things as far as I'm concerned. uh there's a constituency there that wants uh to be respected and uh serviced and uh they may not be the most vocal although on some things they are very vocal. The reality is is that I think part of the
discussion should include they should be part of the conversation. I'm not perceived I I don't call myself the advocate for West Yarmouth. I just know that there's been a tendency for the West Yarmouth interests to get left behind. I think with the Madaks redevelopment, they're going to be
brought up quite a bit. That's going to be certainly a lot. I just I I know you I know you hear us and I and I appreciate I know you'll be a great advocate for us, but I'm just saying that I don't I I don't necessarily think that our discussion has ever been about a school in a particular area. I think
we should focus on an affordable, safe, you're here options. I I don't disagree with that at all. there. Very good. And in and making sure that we involve the community, particularly since the kids and the parents that are being served by the school are principally from West Yarmouth.
I got your point, we got we don't need to keep going over this. All right. Okay. I just, you know, moving. Got it. Good luck. Lucas wishes she could take the So, up next, up next is the plastic reduction bylaw task
force. If anybody from maybe I can introduce that subject. Um also I want to welcome I see Mr. Gardner here. We have Jay Gardner from Barnstable County. Right. See Mary online.
We want to Jimmy Vieira should be on. So we have come up to the mic. Jay don't be shy. Mary from the chamber. We would like to elevate and Jamie Vier Vieira um also representing the chamber. Perfect. he'd like to elevate and and I'd like to
kind of bring folks up up to speed on, you know, some of the work that's been done so far and where we stand um on this whole process. Um I understand that, you know, we we've had um change on the board of selectmen since we started. Um there's been um all kinds of things happening. I know, you know,
Jay's has his new role at Barnstable County and I I think it's important for us all to get on the the same page tonight. And then there's also some question as to selectment representation on our task force. And I I want to call you back to and it's in your packet
under the minutes section. The last time that we had a substantive discussion of this topic was on November 12th. Well, that's not the last time. The last time was the December 9th and but the the first time that we really had the big discussion on it was at the November 12
um 2024 uh board selectman's meeting and um what had happened is that working you know through Jay the chamber had come forward um a little time before that and indicated we were all following getting ready for the implementation of the new
plastics reduction bylaw and you know some critical problems you know just surfaced in terms working with the businesses that would be implementing this and what options were available to them to meet the requirements of of the
bylaw. And so we were um approached by the by the chamber and they and also part of that group was Haley O'Neal who was the original petitioner on the article that had followed it and um with
the there's a lot of concern with that the bylaw was supposed to take effect on January 1, 2025. Um and at that time um it was hoped that the town would take more into consideration some of the implications
for the merchants and the um and the business owners and the um the vote was taken to place an article on the December special town meeting warrant and I'm just reading from the minutes to
postpone the January 1, 2025 enforcement date of the bylaw. And then town administrator Ritnau was um asked to create a task force um which um Jay I thought did a tremendous job in suggesting this process that we provided
a list of the uh membership of the task force that we evaluated at that time. And I was asked to create a task force that would do research and help develop a health regulation which would substitute for the bylaw um to make it
so that the implementation could be done more smoothly with the goal of reducing the plastic but to do it in a way that didn't directly hurt the businesses. and that the task force had uh presented some material that um was developed by
the town of Falmouth u board of health in terms of plastic reduction regulations that would be sort of a model make things a a little bit more similar and other Cape communities and achieve that that same end and um from that those were sort of the marching
orders that that we were given at that time and then a member of the select board was designated to serve on this um committee. And so in your packet, there's also um a copy of Jay's January
15 uh memo that um specified the membership of the task force, which um I moved forward with. Um in the intervening time, I developed there were some questions. Some people said, "What's the task force? Why do we need a task force?" even though we had discussed it in your packet there's a um
a draft charge that includes all the details of what the task force would do and also in the packet um we we asked the the chamber working with Jay to implement the process and begin to hold meetings with um all of the stakeholders
and because there are members of the select board of health um we insisted that it be done in a very public transparent process follow the open meeting law and I thank the chamber for doing that. And in your packet, there's also a copy of the plastic reduction
bylaw as well as the proposed regulations that they were looking at to potentially substitute. And the whole game plan as provided for in the charge is to review these issues, make a recommendation back to the select board
for a potential town meeting action that could help implement the concept of plastic regulation in a way that um was less ownorous for the for the businesses and they started that process. I understand there's still some questions,
issues, concerns. We'd hope to address those this this evening. And I I really wanted to hear from the chamber representatives of how they viewed the process and and how they feel things are going. Great. Thank you for that. Hi Mary, welcome. Good evening. Thank you.
Um I would love to just say that uh the chamber is very grateful to the select board, the administration and Jay for allowing this process to move forward. We all agree, everyone that has been um
appointed to this task force that this is not just about helping the businesses, but we realize that this is a health concern. It's an environmental concern and the business community wants to be part of the solution. And so
working with Jay and with Bob recently, um this process, we had our first meeting a few weeks ago. We had um appointed Jamie Vieiraa the chair and myself as the clerk so that the process
is clear and open for the public for them to attend, give us their input. But we feel like this is a great process to go through. The petitioner herself came to the chamber saying that she made an error and wanted to correct it. And we
were grateful that the town has heard us and is willing to work with us. So, we appreciate that. Thank you for that update, Mary. Um, I see Jamie online as well. Jamie, you have anything you'd like to add? Uh, sure. Thank you very much. Um, yes,
I I echo what Mary had said there. And at our first meeting, I I think one of the questions that we'd like to just get resolved with the board this evening is uh it's been my understanding, having been part of this since last
July, that the task force now would have a charge of, as Bob indicated, producing something that would be a substitute for the existing bylaw. And and that is something that we want to get direction that we're not necessarily working with
the existing bylaw, but rather potentially coming up with something entirely different and new that balances the interests of the environment and the economics, etc., and then present it to your board for you to decide if you want to present it as a health regulation,
pass it at town meeting, etc. Um, and that was the direction I was hoping to get some clarification on in working with the colleagues on the task force. Uh, because I think it's important essentially we start a new and craft something that does a better job than
what currently exists there. I mean, no disrespect to anyone who was part of that initial process, but I think we can do a better job. And that was something that we echoed to the health board back in the fall. And I remember speaking to you folks back in November and that was
the sentiment at town meeting as well. So um I'm looking for some direction that I can work with the group to be sure that we're just not going to be changing language of what exists, but we could possibly bring you something entirely new. I think that board's open
to whatever it is that your committee proposes. So um what I'm I One second. Um I personally had foreseen this and there was discussion I think that the to the petitioner's own uh point that she
understood it was flawed. Um you know I think whatever you you do we have to go back to town meeting one way or the other and make an explanation um as to you know even at our last town meeting they were inquiring about the status of it. So
what whatever you do I think is fine. I don't I don't think you need direction. I think even a board of health would be a board of health regulation may be appropriate. Um but again if that's if that's the direction we still need to go and
repeal completely and get the people of the town to agree with that. Um so that those are my comments. I'm going to go to Joyce first and then to you Mark. Okay. Um, Madam Chair, I I had understood that this was to revise what
had been passed by town meeting to make it easier um for businesses to uh to meet the demands of it. Um some adjustments in terms of time, but not a a total start all over again. I'm I'm
concerned about that given that um uh the previous bylaw did pass town meeting. I think we need to um give the business community some time to come into compliance. But I I I don't think of this as um giving them a whole new
let's start from the beginning structure. But if it accomplishes the same goal and they can get it passed at town meeting, what I mean to me semantics. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's ultimately right now
it's it's not you can't utilize it, so it's no good. Yes, people passed it, but if there is a a board of health regulation or a new bylaw, whatever it is, and they come to town meeting and advocate for the passage of that or if
it's already been uh passed by the board of health and they get that remanded, if the people of the town don't want it, then they're not going to vote for it. Well, do you see um it better as a board of health regulation? It might be, but it's not up. I mean, I think it's up to them to make that decision. I think a
lot of people do see it that way. I think it's easier to amend, you know, right now when you have I would like to see amending. Well, Madam Chair, we talked about this and and I'm looking at Dorcas because we were both agonizing over this and we we decided that we
wanted to have a special meeting and I remember Dorcas was very insistent that we go back to town meeting that if we're going to change anything, we needed to bring this to the town. But during our discussion, I think it was very clear to some of us, I know it was with me that there's a better way to do this. So, if we're going to go if we're going to fix
this, let's fix it and fix it the right way. And I think one of the suggestions that I made is that the the overall framework be modified and at least to examine a set of board of health regulations that would be easily
amendable and changeable rather than having to wait to go to town meeting and that this is an approach that other communities have embraced. So I think I'm with the chair. I think it's important that we hear from the committee, but they should have the
flexibility uh to do what makes most sense in terms of the structure. I'm not convinced the structure that we adopt that initially made sense. If if I could um Madame Chair, one of the telling points for us
was when the board of health said that what what's in place now they can't regulate. they can't they can't enforce it. So, we're we're dealing with something that that's not right. It
can't be used. So, we have to basically go back with the guidance from the board of health um and and have the businesses and and all involved uh to see what we can do. My concern is we're sitting here in June.
what happened to all the months before now, you know, like when you know like we need to put our feet to the fire and start moving on it because there are people out there that are very concerned that they about plastics about what's
going on and they feel and I I was getting that feedback from town meeting that they're very upset that we're coming back to the drawing board. So the my feeling is yes, we have to have something in place, but it has to be
something that's going to work. And so we have to let them go back and give us a possibility that we can take back. But in my opinion, your clock is ticking and are you going to be able to have this all ready for us to come back and look at so that we can put this on the fall
town meeting agenda? Right, Liz? Yep. So, I was at the first meeting and I was probably one person who um confused things because when Jamie Vieiraa said that we were going to and
I'm going to use the words he just used in the in his phone call in his zoom substitute and have a new law and that shocked me because we have a law. So, what I said at that meeting was we need
instructions from the town as to are we then going to have two um items on the agenda. One where we resend what we voted on and replace it with something which is what I'm getting. And I would
say cut to the chase. The the bylaws that we got from Falmouth are we Jay, you you looked at them. You're you're supportive of the bylaws from Falmouth. Am I right? If I could, Madam Chairman, I think it
needs still needs to be looked at to things of variances and things of that nature, right? A comm this is going to be a committee decision. First of all, I just want to introduce myself, Jay Gardner. I I come here I'm I'm now the health director in Barsel County uh for health and environment, but I served as
a former director of of health here in Yarmouth. And I can tell you one of the reasons is isn't just professional, but it's also personal because I stood in front of the town and I said and there was that criticism and maybe that they were alluding to the fact that this is a way to to brush this aside and this will
never come up again and and there was never that intention at the board of health meeting. I know this board here, our town administrator, we and I personally committed to the fact that we will get this passed, but we have to have something that is workable, that is
solutionbased, as you talked about, something that quite frankly, as it works now, it's all seven grades of plastic. If you look across that actually at tomorrow afternoon's meeting, uh, stop and shop has said, "I want to bring you all the samples." And we meeted over at the police department,
all the samples of the seven grades of plastic. You might have been at there. We said, "Well, we might need a bigger room, quite frankly, because it's all going to be laid out for us." The other part, you know, through the chair, you bring up a good point. It has to be enforceable. We're going to, you know, we want to have
education kind of falls into the category. No one's doubting the intention here, right? But a but a poor decision built on good intentions is still a poor decision, right? And we want to get to that to make sure that we have something that is workable educationwise and don't lose sight of
the fact of the environmental piece. Really, that's that's a big part of my day right now is on the county. So, I come here, you know, there will be, I'm sure, you know, my my successor will will take this over, but I will serve as in my position as the county director
and and help you arm with it any way I can. Are we substituting? Are we rewriting, recrafting it? I don't know. It has to be quite frankly, how what portions of that do we want to have? There are no variances involved. We want to make sure there's variances. If there's if there's difficulty for
individuals that can't get substitutes, is addressed in Felmouth. It is so to to to say for me to sit here as one person Jamie is the chair. We have vice chair. It needs to be looked at through a committee. A number of lenses have to look at this. I'm confident. I do
understand the time frame because I I would say three months just in community education just in community education to make people aware. It is it is complex. It's deep into making sure people that understand there's a commitment there. there's a passion to make this happen.
Are we are we rewriting it? Are we are are we substituting? I don't know. We're going to come up with something probably has to be vetted through council through town council is going to have to take a look at this as well. So So I do understand that it can be done. We meet again tomorrow afternoon. We will meet
on a on a schedule that gets this done and to bring something back and commit to that because I personally stood up if you remember at that town meeting and I said this is not going to be just going away but we have to have something. This is not the way good public health policy is written. A citizen's petition. It
never came to the board of health. It never came to this board. There was no vetting. There was no input. There was no business. It's well meaning and good intended, but it's not executable. And I think that this board, you know, I I have my own personal opinions. I'd repeal it if it was up to me. But we
work for the people of the town and the people of town have spoken. And I think to Joyce's point, we need to make sure that the intent of what the people um voted for is is is um in effect in whatever we um come up with and promulgate. But in my opinion, I think
we need to let the community committee do the work and ultimately it needs to get passed. Otherwise, you know, we're we're back to square one. So, um, you know, perhaps they can get a board of health, uh, regulation in effect before we go back to town meeting and convince
the people that way. If not, maybe to Liz's point, we have a backup. I don't know what the answer is, but from my perspective, I don't think we should be dictating this committee. If we're going to ask a committee to do work, let them do their work. That's my Yes. And I would just add though that I think that
part of that and this is what we discussed at the committee meeting last two weeks ago that the education is going to be uh very very important and I think when we come up with the or if I'm not on the committee whoever's on the
committee come up with the al alternate solution it needs to be presented as that and I I I think we have a very strong contender in the Falmouth bylaw and I so the time concern is less of a
concern and I also think that it's going to be a lot more palatable to those people who were so enthusiastic about this to understand that Falmouth spent years getting to this bylaw and that we now have a very good place to start that
we didn't have last when we voted on it at at fall madam chair we have a strong template to work off of there's no question for sure So is I just want to make sure that we're giving Jamie and the committee direction to to keep an open mind and bring back whatever they
feel is the best path forward. I think question we give a time deadline. Hold on one second. I think the focus is on coming up with a proposal that makes whatever whatever is whatever is an approach that's enforcable. Right.
Okay. That was the message that we heard from the health board at the last minute last year. And when you talk about a timeline, I'm sorry, Joyce. No, but I think the timeline is important. Uh I I I fully support a sense of urgency that Dorcas expresses and whatever we can do
to help you sort of get something ready so we can at least make a report uh and an article or something that at least supports the framework for the fall town meeting, I think is incredibly important. I don't think the the public is cutting us much slack on this. No.
And what is the date that we have? We have suspended the current the current bylaw till January. And so in January, this is is no longer anyway. So it wouldn't even need to be this right here says um shall Oh, this is the committee. Okay. Not the actual charge. All right.
So So the implementation date of the bylaw. So we'd like to get this on in the fall town meeting. We're looking at a possible fall town meeting in November. Um, you know, we'll have to have this wrapped up by September to just, you know, at least know what direction to get the warrant ready. And,
um, so, you know, gives us June, July, August, and little of September. I just still have an outstanding question on process that would be knowing that people if we were to take the Falmouth bylaw and clean it up because I see
issues too. Um, just process-wise, we have a law that was approved. We will have to rescend that bylaw. Correct. And then we will have to vote on a new one. Replace it. That just needed to be clear. There were people on the several
options. So I again I think we should keep an open mind. We can I'm trying to get the the options so that I can help instruct the committee because I was one of the more knowledgeable people. So can you give me the options? Well, I mean the options are first of all, we could resend it, right? Right. It can be
amended. It could be replaced. It's all in the wording of the article, but it's it depends upon what they come up with. If they come up with a board of health um regulation, then it will be rescended. If if we were trying to replace it with an actual bylaw, then it's, you know, remove this section and
put this section the existing bylaw. There's all sorts of options, but I think we need to leave our options open. I think you should focus on the performance, you know, it not muddy the waters by instructing the people you're going to do this, you're going to do
that. Focus on on on the plastic and and the the process will become evident whether it's going to be a new bylaw regulations and you know, you've got your template, make it make it work. And I and I think everybody that is is on
that task force um is capable of focusing on the plastic. Absolutely. No, it's just it was a question of can we amend and I believe that with the Falmouth template we can amend and people will be a lot more accepting of an amendment. Again, we we keep talking
about that but that may not I mean they should have the freedom. We shouldn't be dictating at least now that is an option. Okay. Yes. Jamie. All right Jamie I just want to make sure that we have answered your questions and you have um the proper direction to move
forward. If not please let us know. Uh yeah, I loud and clear. I appreciate it. I am mindful of the time constraints that we have here and um yeah, we will work very hard to bring something to you folks for consideration
um in as soon as we can and I'm mindful of trying to wrap up something by September. Now, appreciate that and I appreciate all all your work on that. Um everybody on the committee, is there any anything else? Joyce, um I noticed we're
supposed to uh appoint an official board representative to the committee and I I would nominate Liz Argo for that because she's already put so much time into the issue and is quite knowledgeable. Um I don't think we're at that right
now. Are we? I didn't know we needed to do a new Do we even need to vote? Uh because the board already voted to make Joyce the representative. Yeah. And Joyce, you had a you had a you didn't want to serve. Oh, but that
was that was just till the end of that select board though. No, that was to be on this committee and then and then um Liz wanted to take it over. So that if the board wants a representative, the board should designate their representative. It's not just a floating thing. I agree. And I I I feel that Liz
is definitely the more qualified. I I agree she's qualified, but I'm afraid she's so strong in her opinion with this that it's going to be difficult for for her to be able to work collectively. Um that's my concern. Um with with a a group of volunteers that may go in a different direction than you're
obviously comfortable with. That's a difficult thing to be in. just um I I I get concerned because as a select board member um you know you as a how do I say this? I'm you're passionate and that's and and it's
apparent and I think that that's a great thing but I don't want that to supersede the work that's happening. So I'm happy with whatever you decide. Um I was asked Joyce to let me take over because it wasn't coming together. I
understand. And I got anxious and I So I made a phone call and worked with Mary to get it going. I know. And I appreciate that and I'm glad that's very good. My opinion on whether whether it should be um rescended, repealed. I I
want to know what's correct. So I did not feel that that was being discussed appropriately at the meeting, the committee meeting. And I'm I I don't have a dog in the race other than making sure that we do it right. that we're not well I think right is is
difficult because I guess I don't know maybe it's my years on the planning board you can come to the same result in many different ways so you just sometimes you have to be patient and let that's what I'm trying to find out what are the options okay and that was not laid out at our committee meeting and now I'm I'm I'm getting better
information from this group that I think the committee needs okay um so I don't know how the the board feels about it but It's fine if you want to put somebody else in the position. I just I just need to say that. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to I just don't want I hear
what you're saying, but you're and I am passionate, but I am not feeling one way or another on anything. Just want to see it get done. I understand. And it will we have a timeline. So, well, in the interest of time, Madam Chair, Joyce was on it and I
I think it would be great if she could continue it. Yes. Are you okay with that, Joyce? Is that a nomination? Yes, I'm nominating you. I'm not going to do it. I can't do it. And the schools and the appointments. I just can't. I understand that.
Well, Liz, if we nominate you, um, can you keep in mind that you're representing the entire board and that it's not, you know, and that what we're
saying is that we're giving direction to this committee to come up with some alternatives, you know, like to come up with that what they feel is going to be the the the best answer. Mhm. And what what I don't want to do and I don't want to make the motion to put you on this
committee if you're going to go in and do dominate those committee meetings. In other words, I want to see that people have an opportunity to speak that we're coming up with what is the best for all and concern. I think you should probably put somebody else on the committee. Go
right ahead. It's fine with me. I think that they heard me speak and Mary and I have worked together on it. They know where I'm coming from. I think the found bylaw is what will it was given to us for a reason and so but put some at this
point I think it's better if you have somebody else on the committee. Madam chair I'm I'm happy to volunteer. Thank you Mark. I nominate Mark. I also want to acknowledge and I appreciate the way Joyce's work on this and and I I understand where Liz is coming from
wanting to sort of reflect a sense of urgency in trying to get things moving along. I get all that. Um I think the benefit of this discussion has been helpful for everyone to remind us how we got to this point. That's my point, Mark. Right. So I think was not a part of this previous Yeah. And I and I and
that puts you at a disadvantage because um you know I get it. I understand what was happening, but I'd be more than happy to fill in and uh take on this assignment if that's what the board make that nomination. Is there a second? I'll second that. Any any other
nominations? Some discussion? All those in favor? He made one, but it apparently doesn't have a second. That's fine, Jo. Let it go. Just say it. I know. Okay. All those in favor, Mark. I opposed. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Madam Chair, if if I could just close with I do want I I do want this committee to understand u Bob has driven this. A lot of conversations have happened. He's had made phone calls with the chamber. He's had meetings. Please understand,
although he's been doing it in in the background to let the process public process work, Bob Rittn has driven this process to make sure it may look like it's delayed. It is. It has not. He has his full attention, but he has to make sure that he's not overstepping, making
sure it's a public process, but to your to your credit, you have driven this process. So, thank you, Jay. Appreciate that. We know he drives a lot of things, unfortunately. Under the under the radar, but he's got a lot going on. Not necessarily. Just want to make sure that's understood. He didn't say too much, but things have things have been pushed along and but listen, I have to
tell you, it's nice it's nice being back. It's nice to seeing you all. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you, TJ. You're missed. So, next we have board and committee actions. Um, I resignation. Oh, you I'm sorry. Busy
passing notes down here. So, we have a resignation from Stephen O'Neal from the community and economic development committee. Please accept my resignation from the town's community economic development committee. I move that we uh
accept the resignation. So move with second with with thanks. We have an appointment. We need a second and a vote. Sorry. All in favor. Are you running it or am I running? You are. You're you're doing the appointments. Okay. All in favor? I
I Okay. We have an appointment to the recreation commission as a full regular member. Chris Peterson. uh he was put in as an alternate. He has extraordinary um qualifications for the
position. He coaches uh multiple sports, plays sports still, and is the father of three children who will be participating in the wreck program. So, I move that we appoint um Chris Peterson to the recreation commission for one year.
Second. Uh all in favor? I Okay, we have the community action committee of the Cape and Islands. Um, it's a little bit
unusual and I'm we have a letter in our um packet that describes the role. So, um, we are not you you Bob, you can probably help me. We're not We've been down this We're sending along. Can we
get the replay tape? So, it's a recommendation for the community action council selects their representative from Yarmouth, but um we want to make that recommendation because these funds need to be used for Yarmouth as well. Pat Armstrong is Pat Armstrong's been
doing it. So, that's the recommendation. Keep her keep Yarmouth in the engaged. Yep. Second. Okay. All in favor? I I And that's it. That's it from appointments. Thank you very much. Next, we have the minutes of uh April 9th. So,
move that 2024. We'll have to um vote on this as a matter of necessity. Make a motion to accept the minutes for April 9th, 2024. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I
I November 12th, 2024. Move to accept. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I opposed. Okay. Next we have upcoming agenda review.
Um so we are adding um that's not in here. We also have a Saturday workshop that's going to be added in July. Um thank you for doing that, Bob. That was like nailing jello to the wall. Well, it was great. And thank you
everyone. And and and I' Good analogy. I'd like to to to mention too is that um I'm proposing the use of a new facilitator um for this this round and um I'm I've tapped Warren Rutherford who
is a former town manager in our area and he's a management consultant. He works very effectively with small businesses, does strategic planning, goal setting. I think he'd be a great resource and help bring some more um energy to our proceedings. And so I I'd like to What
are you saying? We don't have energy. You guys are great. I think I think Jerry, you know, um was getting a little bit, you know, um maybe towards retirement and um he's got a long drive to come down here away from like northern Mass and so maybe having someone local might be easier. I think
changing it up is a is good. I think it'd be great. More would be a good choice. All right. So So um June 17th we have no meeting. On the 24th, we have the scholarship committee presentation of scholarships. Yay. Um, we have a
special entertainment license for the libraries, quarterly economic community development committee. Um, yep. A gateway fiber. I'm not sure what that is, but he's probably going to tell me. And packet land resiliency project update. Bill, uh,
actually the library building committee will probably be bringing those sites in to you. What day? Uh, on the 24th. 24th. Correct. Okay. Okay. All right. Looks like there's some space on there. Um, we did have Joyce's presentation, too. Um, yeah, that seems to have dropped off,
but it's fine with me to do it in July after our retreat. That was the um the things I've um worked up um for the committee appointments. Okay, great. So, um I I guess I could do that's a consent
probably just a consent agenda unless we want to have a discussion on it. Do we want to have an an actual agenda item on it? Maybe if you can get it to us in advance and then you can just put it on the consent agenda. If nobody has Yeah. Give give us something to look at so we can review it and send you comments and then once you're done with it, then add
it to the consent agenda. Yeah. And if nobody if somebody has comments that want to discuss, we'll we'll put it on the agenda. Is is that an open meeting law problem though? If I take comments from all the board as long as they only comment back to you. No more than two people. You can't you can't have it you
can't put it out to all five and anybody comment back. But if you can put it out and if somebody has comments individually they can comment to you directly only and then you can either tell tell me whether or not it needs to be discussed at a agenda or that we can
just put it on for approval. Oh. So in other words, they don't use the copy reply to all. They don't reply to all Joyce get that. So that that just seems simpler. But all that's that's the key thing. If if we do copy everyone, that's
a deliberation. So you can send it out to everybody, but nobody can comment on it or uh engage. So they can call you or talk to you about their concerns about it. And if you don't hear from anybody, then we'll put it on the consent agenda. If you do and it elevates it to a level
that needs to be discussed, then you can let me know and we'll put it on. Yeah. And then rather than engage the select board members on your comments, you can just say you've got enough feedback to make sure that it gets on the agenda. So you just let Tracy know and she'll put it on as an agenda item for discussion.
Yeah. Okay. Um so what date would you like it on the agenda with the like circulation? Well, I don't know when you have it prepared to go out to everybody. I guess it just depends upon we know we need time to review it and comment back. Um, so it's up to it's up to you when
you send it out. I thought that we were putting it on the June 24th agenda, but it actually would be a help to me to move it to July. Um, just because there's some family stuff coming up. So, great. And that would be after our after our um retreat or whatever we call it.
We have July 8th. Again, I' I'd like to see something well before any board discussion. So, just Oh, of course. Yeah. Thank you. Of course. All right. Why don't you figure um July 22nd? Yeah. Why don't you figure like July 22nd meeting plenty of time and get it
get it? You'll have it two weeks in advance. Okay. Well, we have to have two meetings in July. So, one of them um what does the charter say? Do you have to have two business meetings or one is one business
meeting and one workshop adequate? Yeah, that it's a meeting. I I know but I I think I need to read the charter. I think you have to have two business meetings on July 8th from the last board meeting, but it seems to be empty on the agenda update and the Yarmouth Housing
Authority coming in for July 8th from your last one that you see. I wonder why that's maybe they're not available. No, not from anything I received. When we discussed it at the last select board meeting, we propose two items on the ETH. Sure. I know
there's a proposed meeting for the 8th. Yeah. So, housing authority we are inviting in about and Cape Media Center update. Okay. All right. The only uh I guess we can get back to it. I I'd like to hear from Bob what his updates are because I
think the traffic situation is something that we potentially might want to put an agenda item on, but I'll I'll reserve that until after we hear uh an uh an update from Bob administrator's report. All right. So, we're moving on um to the
consent agenda. I need to pull out um on the consent agenda the request uh for the CEDC funds due to it being um a Robert Hour contract. So if we could
pull that out from the consent agenda and vote on that and then and we can vote on that other one separately. Madame Chair, do we have a date set for our retreat? Yes. 12. Oh, it is the 12.
He sent an email today. Yeah. Yep. So, if we could move the Parker's River Landing Tourism Res revenue preservation fund from the from the consent agenda and make a make a motion to approve the consent agenda without that and then so
moved. Second. All those in favor? I I now I bring up the car Parker River cons um move that we accept where is it the request by CEDC to confirm support
for funding allocations through TRPF. Yeah, I'm making a motion that we accept that. So move. Second. Yeah. All those in favor I I I abstain. There we go. And the chair. Thank you.
All right. Consent agenda. Let's hear about and um upcoming review. And then individual items. I I guess I went out of turn, but that's okay. Mark, do you have any individual items? I'll pass.
Dorcas, I'll pass. Joyce, I think I'm good. Liz, I am going to um meet with the energy committee if this is appropriate. Bob, um I would like to discuss with the energy committee
um the possibility of solar canopies at Parker's River Landing. Looking for grants for that. Um when when you say you're going to meet with them at like as an individual citizen? No, as a board member.
Well, I don't know if we've had a discussion whether or not that's what I'm bringing it up. Yeah. Okay. So, maybe we can't discuss it now because it's not on the agenda. Okay. So, um let's put it on the agenda um to discuss if that's okay, Bob, for our next
our next meeting. If I if I may, that that site was heavily permitted, so we want to make sure that the permits are commensurate with that use. So going to the conservation department might be a good place because any vertical
construction in a flood zone like that. Well, let's not go anywhere yet until we have the discussion. We'll find out what what the restraints are and have a discussion here before we ask anybody to do anything. It might also be a good idea to inform the committee that's
still engaged in oversight of the project, which is the uh the drive-in site committee. Okay. All right. They may very well have looked at this. So, my individual items are congratulations to Dorcas and Liz, which we got to say
at the beginning. Um, I also want to congratulate uh our DY graduates that will be crossing the stage on Saturday. Um, and I too like um Liz have received uh several we've had several
correspondents with with Bob um and the chief in DPW about um the traffic situation and we were told that it's with um Mass DOT. Now my question is I don't understand why mass DOT has
anything to do with it. It's a town road number one. And number two, um, there's got to be, you know, we're just sitting back. I I there's got to be a way for us to expedite it, whether it's a letter from this board or calling our state senator. I don't know. But I'm I'm not
comfortable with the situation that is in place right now. And I got Route 28 or Station Avenue and talking about Station Avenue Road. Um, so I think that we need to do what we can to expedite it. and I'd love to hear your um
comments on that. But uh again, I had sent an email and gotten a response from um from the DPW that that back in January, it was um identified as a as a as an issue. Obviously, with the detour
and the traffic has lent itself to it. Um, a lot of it is just distracted driving and speeding and other things like that, but it is a significant issue, way more than it was in January when they looked at it. So, to just say the paperwork's in, to me, I'm not I I
I feel like we need to act a little bit faster on that. Um, and you know, my other my other uh comment on individual items is Mark has brought it up before and Kurt brought it up again tonight. Um maybe an agenda item for this board is
to have a real discussion about these the impact to businesses and what the opportunities for us to help them are. Mark's brought it up. We kind of you know we get busy but it's a it's a real issue and um you know I think agenda I think it's something that um future a
future agenda item we should discuss. So, and actually, sorry. When you're done, I I think it may be helpful to also have the accident situation at this intersection actually be an agenda item, don't you? Well, I mean, they're already
in the process. It's already been it's already been going. So, we're we're we're just now waiting. They've already identified what they're going to do. It's just we're waiting for mass DOT from what I understand. I actually think for everyone's benefit, it would be helpful to have because I'm I I'm not privy to all the details that you are.
We'll let Bob update you. And um so at any rate, I I think everyone's received um a a copy of the the emails from the the chief of police that it's been a a major issue for for law enforcement to attack that intersection. They have a
whole series of initiatives that they're doing right now, but one of the key ones that they had worked out earlier with the the police and um Mass DOT and the the DPW was to have the assistance
um from the DOT of establishing an emergency four-way stop there with the appropriate signage. There's some very expensive gear that we need to get in place. um that's lighted signage and the mass DOT is in a a great position to
fabricate and get that material out there and um our engineering department has been very active in that process as well. And I'm I'm happy to report we've been working on this and working on this and um today, just this afternoon, we got the okay from the um Mass DOT that I
signed off on that will enable them to get that material fabricated. they're funding it and to put it in place. And I I want to do it under the supervision of the town with the approval of the select board. And so I I think um now they
they've been authorized to to move on that immediately. Um I would like to put this on the very next agenda so that um we can have a a full report on it and you know have have pictures of of how the whole thing is going to work and it
should be about ready to to go by then. And in the meantime, I know there are some changes that they're making with the the detour situation as of I'm I'm told this Thursday that, you know, may change a little bit to take some of the pressure off, but the police are are
still out there. And if you you know, you see it now, they've got, you know, manpower and they've got um the additional signing and and just to stay on top of it that way. And if there's anything else that you can think of doing that, everybody is sort of standing by ready to, you know, to do
something. And I don't know the details of it, but I don't know if the high rate of speed seems to come from one direction, which would be the station a right. So maybe a signage down there, slow dangerous intersection that that they're coming up to something before they even get there in in the interim.
Um it's just staggering the number that we've had over the and and you know, I went by there today on my way here and there's somebody sitting in the car. I'm not sure what um yeah that doesn't help
right so anyway so so next agenda next agenda I'll be on on the next agenda and um and I and I think we could talk on the impact on local businesses um um as well you know I I've joined obviously throughout this process working we have
our budsman and the whole team and working with local businesses and I I'm just staggered by the impact it's this is really a lot worse the um slowness of the construction production and having to um you know park in front of these these businesses. There's really no easy
way out of this. It's it's not you know as simple um as it looks. I have outreached our um our senator's office for um a request on some potential grant funding that we could establish a
program. Right now I I don't have actual dollars that the the town can give to local businesses. I certainly would support, you know, an application process if we could put together a program and have some funds that would help offset some of the hardships by
local businesses as a part of the U process, but we'd have to get the funding and put it into place. And um so I'm making inquiries as to what programs would be able to to fund that and where we could get some money in here for it. That'd be great for you. Yeah, if I can
just interject. Um, you know, as as Tracy has indicated, I brought this up several times. Uh, and I and I think it definitely warrants more discussion. I have also talked to the chamber and have asked them for ideas because if we're going to find some way to mitigate or
help address this impact, it would be helpful to get some impact input from them. So, uh, it might be worth checking in with her to see if they have any recommendations because I've I've said that I'm all ears in terms of recommendations and would be happy to put an, you know, pitch an agenda item
and discuss this. Um, but I have yet to hear back from them and I've asked several times. Um, the other thing that might be worth looking at as well is, you know, sometimes when we do state funded or federally funded transportation projects, there are
allowances for impacts in mitigation. Um, now obviously this is being funded by the town, but I think that's an area of funding that's certainly worth exploring or whether or not we have the
authority to use any of our own funds for this purpose. I recognize that there's some precedents that are being established, but this is an incredibly unusual project and um quite frankly, I think what's surprising many people is just the repetitive nature of some of
the work in front of some of the businesses. I think that's really caught a lot of people way off guard and has been very frustrating. We needed an agenda item for this and maybe that's the time we bring our legislative. We've we've have that on on an upcoming agenda. Um there maybe we need to piggy
back um see if they'd be interested in Yeah, piggy back having our legislative delegation come so we can ask them for money as well. Joyce Oh, I was just going to mention um with Bob um looking for mitigation funds or something that
would help. Um there's a sort of double whammy with construction. Uh the part of Route 28 leading to the Bass River Bridge and those merchants in that little cross area are are having a a double piece of crazy and apparently,
you know, are going to be losing some ground. They're going to be some time that they're going to have to be closed, although they won't necessarily have a lot of notice on that. So since since that is state uh with the bridge maybe we would qualify for something and maybe
we need to re reach out to mass dot because that intersection is a high impact area and that is um third portion right that's I cringe when that bridge construction starts if yeah you think those are bad now and I but that's a
good point maybe mass DOT has some resources and we're reaching out to them I'm kind of trying to work through the legislative office because sometimes it's easier to shake the money loose. But anything we can do, you need us to get on a limb, let us know. Hold on,
Bill. Uh, most of the DOT work is federal highway F to uh HWA and they have rules on impact mitigation. So if you're doing a taking or if you're needing to shut down a business, federal
highway usually requires some sort of compensation. So DOT takes in federal if it's federal highway money, there's a set of rules for mitigation. I think as a matter of public policy, just having that information is going to be helpful
for us as a board because if we're going to try to replicate something that may not be governed by those procedures, it may be helpful to know what at least established procedures are so that whatever we end up doing, it might we want might want to conform to those.
So it's almost as if you're asking them for an easement and then you have a compensation factor for the easement. That's well okay. Well, I think we should be asking everybody somehow. We have to find a way to to help these people if we can. I mean,
I know we don't have it in our budget, but there's got to be there's got to be ways there something we should look at. So I'm looking forward to that discussion and any information we can have prepared for that that would be helpful. So one last thing to throw into it the condition of 28 itself the road
condition. Bob um they'll be finished when when will that be done for the year through 28? You know I wish I could sit here and tell you I get a different answer every every day but um by June 20th there it's supposed to be like out of there completely. Okay. And I assume
that the um the paving condition for the summer would be at a higher than be improved. Yes. Improved. Okay. Right now they're like patching it because they you know they patch it and they go back in and but I would imagine that if it's going to be down for a few months that
it would be at a higher um caliber. Let's hope and hopefully somebody from the town can make sure that happens. Please. Well, my my last um item is requests from um people to have a
meeting to discuss what is happening and what will be happening to vent. Unfortunately, they're they feel that they are being taken advantage of as residents and that we all we care about is the tourists. So um not just the
businesses but the residents and the qu so the question is when will there be a formal public update in a forum of some kind at a formal update of what yeah what's happening is
they the fact that they're the water for instance people are convinced that the water that's running down sew is polluted and it's of course it's not but they need. So they want to they need to hear stuff, ask their questions, be told
the truth. They can go to your office hours. That's where I'm getting it. Yeah. Well, that's and and but I but I give them answers. Well, I can't because we don't have answers. I I I have no problems literally calling DPW or Bob and getting updates that I can share
with people when I meet with them. But I don't I I for instance, what am I going to tell them about when it's is when's it going to be repaved? just told us he doesn't know. Well, he just said he thinks it's going to be June 20th, right? But those are the kinds of questions that they're asking.
And I I don't think even Bob has a good answer, in which case maybe that's what we have to say. But they and it's not just to to be able to um retaliate with or respond with an answer. They want to be heard is what I'm getting.
They want to, for instance, you know, my my car, oh my goodness, the bumps, blah blah. And sometimes if they can just get an opportunity to make their their their voices heard, it helps. They just don't feel like they have they're being heard.
I spoke to Jeff today about organizing our next wastewater update for Exactly. I don't know whether we'll be able to do it on the 24th, but maybe the very next meeting. Yeah, it might be a good idea to do that and have a section a segment of that dealing with road construction and scheduling and disruption and maybe
we get advanced word out. Um I think the chamber and you know our our team has been doing a a much better job on all of the platforms trying to update people about what's happening. I mean unfortunately people don't like the
answer. That's the problem. um you know to the extent that I know I mean they've been putting the look aheads and um trying to notify the businesses the chamber's been helping with that I mean all hands on deck I get a chamber email
every week about what's happening um you know I mean obviously the DPW's always there people can people can call well this is the person that specifically goes to the DPW and I she's friendly with the DPW but she's not getting any any answers because they
don't know about talking to Jeff. Then what kind of secretaries? Yeah. Again, we have this Ryan, what's his name? The the budsman. The ombbudsman. What's his name? Chase. Yeah. Give her the phone number. I know. But that's what I do. They He's good. Is anybody hearing what
I am actually saying? I hear what you're saying. People don't People don't like the answer, but sometimes that happens. Trying to get direct them to Ryan. I would like to have an opportunity to be updated. And if that's not something that's possible, no, we do that already between the email blasts, between
calling the ombbudsmen, between social media, we do radio stuff on our website for a meeting where there is it's held in a in a place whether it's here or it's at u we have public comment. I mean they can always email
selectmen. They can come to our public comment. It it was it was a thought that there might be a an opportunity to be updated an update to the public with question and answer with Jeff there and the us and the board the Bob. Well, I
know sound like that's something well the chamber has held I think I didn't I just say that we're just um we're putting that together for if not the next meeting the meeting after to have a wastewater update. would be a select board meeting. Bring them in here. And and also we have we we just had a meeting yesterday with the wastewater
resources advisory committee and we're going to bring them in with us for the update for the um wastewater and and and one of the roles of the rack committee is to u be there to meet with local residents. So we had a whole bunch of people that were at the meeting
yesterday that wanted to get updates on the project. What's going here? What's going there? And and so um that's a process that they they meet monthly for um and there are eyes and ears sort of in the community first Monday every month. So that would
be to the office hours. There you go. We're going to be and we're going to be having him and we're going to be having Jeff probably maybe the first we meeting in in July to you know that'll be our close down for the summer out on the on the website that that for for specifically to catch people's eye that
says folks people who feel that they need to be heard about the sewer and what's going on here is a great opportunity to come get your questions answered. Do they need to be heard or do they want a vent? They want a vent. Yeah. See, I think I think we stopped
the venting. Well, I think but if they knew that there was a a place to go and I I mean I I'm not it's not just me and this one person who comes in and says I need a place to go vent and hear about it. I I think the the public would be
would be better served if there was okay the Monday there will be a Westerrack meeting WRAC meeting and the DPW chief will be there specifically to talk about the sewer and that would if that could
go out on the on the website as a of a a note to the public. Liz, instead of in instead of setting up another layer of meetings, shouldn't we really be focusing sending people back to the OMBbudsman? You know, like I mean, we all talked about we wanted to have some
that everyone could call and talk to and vent. And here's the do that meetings will be be better because for instance, the onbudsman is there these people don't know it. So something is lacking in our communication. So, so
we should put out the contact for him. Once again, one of the things that I I get concerned with and I I do want to hear people vent because that's the only way for us to know what the issues are. So, you know, if if people don't vent to
us, how do we know what we need to work on and what we need to fix? So I think that's really important to do it in a in a public forum and that's why I say you know email selectman um come to public comment but first reach out to the person who's responsible for it and see
if they can resolve it you know I want staff should have the first you know opportunity to be able to resolve the issue um you know and then we and then and then if they're doing it that way we're not individually hearing it separately we're all hearing the same
information so That's why I like that people come or email us after they've talked to um the DPW or whatever staff is in, you know, responsible for it. So, do we have his do we have his email and I Yeah, no, I mean gave me his phone
number. Well, I think that we should we should I think we really need to keep pushing that. Yeah, we need to put it out to the public as many people should have a place to go. I agree. Well, I I would recommend that when we have the wastewater update at our upcoming meeting that we also bring the
ombbudsman in, we introduce them to the world at large and have on the on the website that there will be an opportunity on this date specific to get your update. Okay, Bill. And then just in the business community, they don't
really like to go to public meetings and complain. I mean, it really affects the bottom line. If people are seen on TV from a certain business and residents don't like what they're saying, so we need to be careful of assuming that they're going to come into a meeting and
and complain about this publicly. I mean, it's Well, it's mostly giving them the opportunity. Well, giving them the opportunity when they won't take it is Yeah. I think one of the things that may be important is as this information is collected, just develop FAQs. If you get
10 10 of the same questions, write the question and provide the answer and then you've answered it quite a few times. Well, it sounds like we've got some internal things. If Bob doesn't know when it's going to end, it's problematic. So, we need to we need to flush that out and get the information out. Thank you, Bill. I appreciate that.
You're right. Outdoor entertainment licenses for a reason that that I asked for that because we had the hearing tonight that was asking for um a 100 p.m. 100 a.m. outdoor entertainment license. So, I just wanted to see what had been approved and so they put that
together which was it was a non-issue. Is there anybody else that has anything else? Yeah. Point of information, madam chair, you had asked a question about the charter. Yes. And the number of meetings. It says here section 3-1-4. The board of selectmen shall hold
at least two regularly scheduled meetings per month. Okay, that's what I thought it was. And I'm not sure our goal setting I I guess that is it's a public meeting that counts. So are we not meeting on July 8th?
Um yeah, that's a date that we have for a meeting. July 8th. And I had two items on it from the last time we Well, we'll check on that. We'll see. If we don't have to meet, then we won't meet though. Perfect. In the summertime, we we typically go to
to the minimum if we're if we can. So, um if there were things on there and we need to address them on the ETH, then we will. If not, then we can move them to the to a later date or maybe um but as long as the we just need to make sure that our workshop um goal setting meets
the criteria of the charter and other than that, I think that we should try to just do two in July and two in August and then we get back into full swing. Okay. Any move that we adjourn? Is there a second? Second. All those in favor? Hi. Thank you very much. We didn't town
administrator. He did. Yeah, we're done. Sorry. Were you done? Okay. He started. You hesitated.