this conference will now be recorded iops 30 seconds what 30 seconds I don't know it's always it's always the last 30 seconds wait till right at 6 I got 6:00 we'll call Mee in order we'll start the Pledge of Allegiance United States of America to
the for it stands one nation God indivisible with liberty and justice for all I believe don't have any uh adoption to the agenda so I just need approval any further discussions all in
favor I oppose passes 500 counts payable Joan okay um this month was pretty standard uh just call out a couple uh number 81343 fora was 9,172 17 that's just administrative
services and uh Minnesota Energy had um one 68860 for $694 and that's just natural gas um all the rest were very normal um so if
anyone has any questions i' be happy to answer if not I would make a motion to approve the accounts pable in the amount of $4,825 I'll second that any further discussion on count pable all in favor I oppos
passes 500 uh we'll open the public comment portion of this uh individuals may address the city council about any item of concerned speakers must State their name and uh limit the remarks to five minutes we will not take any comments
concerning this ordinance at this time because we'll do that when we open the public comments of the ordinance portions so does anybody have any public comments other than the ordinance I will close the public uh comment portion um and we'll jump to
consent agenda we just need a motion and a second to approve the minutes from the regular meeting of uh March 6th and the work session of March 13 I'll make that motion I'll second that any further discussions all in favor I oppose passes
500 uh number six public hearing meetings uh we will discuss the resolution 20256 public hearing and modifications of the uh uh Tiff increment financing and I believe Keith is going to take that with
Ellers good evening may members of council uh in front of you tonight is a resolution approving a modification to the project area establishment of the Tiff district and approval of in an in fund loan resolution and I can go
through all of those but I thought it' be first best to start with just a general overview with a a highlevel presentation of what is tax incurrent financing what is the development that we're talking about and going over some of the Tiff plan items that you have in
front of you tonight um so with that uh Brian's going to be controlling the PowerPoint presentation here so I'll just let him know when to change slides but we can go on to the first one as far as some background this was a process that started back in April of
2024 the city partnered with a developer to submit an application to Minnesota housing it's a state agency that administers funds for housing projects throughout the state of Minnesota they were specifically looking for a grant or
some type of forgivable loan to help them with construction of an apartment project within the city city um they were ultimately looking for a little over $2.8 million in funds for their project the Minnesota housing requires
that for every $2 that they award the city has to match with a local match of a dollar so with that um the city was looking at possible ways of providing that match we talked about some fee waivers regarding sack and whack which
is sewer access charge water access charge uh but then also tax income financing because it is a a vehicle to be able to capture new taxes that are generated from development to essentially give a rebate to the
developer to help them achieve a reasonable return on investment so with that in October Minnesota housing did make an award determination and they did end up awarding $2.8 million to this project so that brings us to now with the Tiff plan
that is in front of you and everything that has led up to the culmination this we can go on to the next slide as far as what is tax incurrent financing we we're specifically looking at the new value the new taxes created
once a project is constructed the base value Remains the Same those taxes we essentially have two buckets and and you can get perfect you have two buckets here of cat
atories for property taxes the first bucket is what the city is currently leving against the properties that exist today those taxes are still received by the city and they go to the various taxing jurisdictions they flow through the county to go uh to the school
district to the city to other local taxing jurisdictions the second bucket is from the new value that is built on top of that base value and that is where the tax increment is generated over a certain period of time and you're
looking at providing a portion of that to incentivize the development at the end of the day now I do want to be clear that the development is still paying property taxes on the full value that is being constructed so they still pay
their first half property tax in may they pay their second half property tax in October it's just the the tax increment gets processed by the county and then distributed to the city with their first half settlement in June and
July and their second half settlement in December so that you end up making a rebate payment to it with with a portion of the tax incurrent generated to the developer in ultimately August and then the following February so with that we can go to the
next Slide the Tiff plan in front of you tonight it's it goes through a bunch of things that are required under State Statute to be able to approve a tipto District we need to know what is the city's statutory authority to be able to
create this what are the objectives what are we ultimately trying to achieve with creating a tiff district and using that tax increment for the benefit of the community what type of Tiff District are we creating this specific Tiff district is called a Redevelopment Tiff district
and there is a report that is also included in the Tiff plan that goes over the requirements to be able to create a Redevelopment Tiff District there's two specific requirements that we're looking at first there has to be a structurally substandard building on the
property that essentially requires removal we're looking at what is the cost to bring that building up to current city code today building code today and if that cost exceeds a certain threshold of essentially building a new
structure same square footage same style of building if that's over a certain threshold that meets that the building is blighted it does not necessarily mean that the building is hazardous for public health or anything like that it's
just a threshold in statute to say based on the age of this building based on the improvements that need to be completed to get it up to building code today this is considered a bladed building and it would signify some type of Redevelopment can happen on this
property the second requirement that we're looking at is called a coverage test and so 70% of the parcels that are going to be included in the Tiff District need to be covered by something whether it's a building a parking lot a
gravel lot some type of physical infrastructure it could also be underground storage tanks or stuff like that so the report that's included in the Tiff plan identifies that you meet both of those requirements to create a Redevelopment Tiff District as far as
what's being proposed on the properties to be included in the Tiff District it is a 38 unit market rate um Apartment project with an estimated market value in concert with the county assessor it' be anywhere from
$4,750 th000 to 5.5 million the maximum duration of a Redevelopment Tiff district is 26 years um certainly cities do not have to go the full 26 years you can provide over a certain period of time
ultimately Tiff districts are required to desertify once your obligations from the Tiff District have been satisfied if that happens in year five you would have to desertify it at that time and the value that was created from that new
project would now be on the tax base and flowing into the various taxing jurisdictions as property tax revenue if that's 10 years 15 years 26 years you're looking at what are the obligations within the Tiff District when are they satisfied and then you close it down if
you can go to the next slide to show a location of where this property is located where this Tiff district is located it's right off of um the intersection of 68 and 58 we're really looking at the Tiff District inside of the project area when we talk about tax
inrent financing you need to create a project area in order to create a tiff District so you can have multiple Tiff districts within the project area um but with this one there is only one Tiff district and I believe the city has one or two other Tiff
districts so rather minimal when we look at the the grand scheme of what is the current tax base what is the current uh tax capacity of the city and you look at as a comparison of properties that are included in tip District we did have this conversation at the Eda meeting
yesterday and a question came up about well what is our tax capacity uh of the city and what is the tax capacity that's contained within a tiff District so your percent of tax capacity that is captured within Tiff districts is
1.47% um so certainly from you know my perspective if you get up closer to that 10% Mark that's where we need to do some further evaluation to understand what is being impacted by not collecting these tax revenues from this new development
what other services might be impacted is this increasing taxes for residents elsewhere certainly you're well below that and I realize that every Community has a different threshold with um how much is included in a tiff district is too much but I would say the city of
zimo is definitely on the lower end of all the cities that have Tiff districts being below that 1.5% threshold you can go to the next slide now I also want to talk about not everything is included in taxing
financing we know that tax bases are not included but there's also market value taxes that are excluded from the calculation of Tiff these are voter approved referendums so if the school district goes out for an operator
operating referendum that portion is still being paid by this development by the new development that's being constructed that is excluded from the calculation of tax increment because this is a resident IAL project they're not going to pay Statewide taxes and because we're in
zimo you're not paying fiscal disparities that the Metro is subject to but all of those things are not included in tax increment financing ultimately when we talk about property taxes being paid if you look at $1 property tax you
may be generating around 70 to 80 cents on that dollar of tax increment that's just general if it's commercial it's going to be a little bit lower it's going to be right around that 40 to 50 cents on the dollar um just because there's additional taxes
associated with commercial versus residential if you can go to the next slide included in the Tiff plan is as sources and uses and these are identified in the Tiff plan based on statutory guidance that they have to be in maximum dollar
amounts so we over a 26-year period assuming a annual appreciation on this project over time assuming an interest rate uh appropriate for uh time value of money we come up with the amount of tax increment that could be generated over
the maximum duration even if the city even if the Eda doesn't intend to give 26 years of Tiff to a project you still have to prepare the tip plan in that way so that's what these numbers reflect we show that over 26 years this development
May generate a little over 3.8 million of tax increment financing the interest component there is what we think if the city invests the funds that they have available what they're going to get back on those Investments and that is
calculated over a 26-year period you are not giving 100% of the tax increment to this project you are only giving a portion of them you get to retain up to 10% for administrative costs and operating expenses that are incurred of the City by this Tiff District by Tiff
districts within your project area the uses go over what we expect the tax increment is going to be used to pay for and so you see that we have land acquisition we've got construction I realize it says affordable housing but that is technically market rate
housing we have administrative costs up to 10% because we take into account the time value of money and the city is not expecting to provide the developer any upfront cash you're not issuing any debt to provide any funds upfront to the developer for construction of this
project the developer is essentially going to take this Tiff note that is ultimately issued to them at the end of the day to go secure financing through a lender so that's where this interest component on the uses is coming in it's what they're
ultimately having to pay for to get cash today through a private institution to get the costs needed uh or the cash needed for cost of construction so we can go on to the next slide as far as the process that brought us
here to now we had the initial application submitted to Minnesota housing in April of last year and Tiff districts at least for the establishment getting to the public hearing it usually takes about 45 to 60 days in that time frame there are several notices that
have to go out to local taxing jurisdictions so you send a county commissioner notice before you even start the process to let the county know that you are considering creating a tip District you also once you have a draft Tiff plan prepared you send that with fiscal
impacts to the county and the school district and they can review it uh to have any questions answered prior to the public hearing they're also invited to come to the public hearing if they want to listen to any public comment or have any specific concerns that they want to
address with the council you have the public hearing um which we have duly scheduled tonight um and when where we take public comment the Eda is a recommending body for the city and they did approve recommending
establishment of this Tiff District yesterday and then ultimately after the public hearing closes you consider the resolution in front of you tonight for approval as far as next steps we're still in negotiation with the developer for the amount of Public
Assistance and the means for which it's it's going to be provided to them approval of the Tiff plan is the mechanism to be able to provide the incentive the financial assistance to this project it's not the means the development agreement once the
negotiations are finalized will be brought back to the city council for approval that's anticipated to happen sometime in April based on uh conversation with the developer right now it's probably going to be the second meeting in April but that is to be determined yet um it could carry over
into may just depending on how the back and forth goes with the cities attorney and the developers attorney so with that I can pause there and turn it back over to the mayor for any questions that he or the council may have for
me first before I open to the public if any comments uh Council has any questions or comments on this um I know I sat through it last night the Eda board so we answered some questions there's some good questions there Joan
and I were part of that so kind of seeing that for me so does council have any questions or concerns I know we've talked about this Tiff for a few times over the last year so I think some of the questions have been answered
so you explained it very well thank you anybody else have any questions just inner loan or whatever what what is what is that yeah great great question
so the in fund loan is essentially a safeguard for the city it's a way for you to spend money upfront that you might incur before the Tiff district is established before it starts generating any tax increment so that you can reimburse yourself plus interest for
those those costs so you're essentially borrowing from yourself to pay yourself back with tax increment financing Council really we're not anticipating any upfront costs um uh Keller Barton had put up money ahead of time to cover
all the upfront costs back when we started this a year ago or whatever it was so um so we're not anticipating anything but this is a safeguard just in case um we have to spend some dollars for whatever reason then we can get
reimburse to reimburse ourselves out of that any more questions Council uh open this to the public if public has any comments on this yes sir state your name and your address please Steve I've got three questions excuse me I need to have you come I can bring the
microphone back there I'll just run this thing around you can talk loud now that'll be well we gotta be able to people online you can talk loud talk loud now I'll just hold okay I have three questions first of all who takes care of the utilities on this puts them in I know they're
going to have to be upgraded who's paying for that the developer will paying for that all of it all of it no City money to to my understanding correct Brian yeah that's correct that's uh we went into this and and with the knowledge that we
really don't have money uh to put towards it I told the developer that that you have to handle whatever needs to be handled with this with this project so so that's what we're going in with all right then second of all why
are we contemplating a 26-year tiff increment I mean the developer is going into this to make money correct what is the city getting out of it yeah the city the city is getting 38
units uh three-bedroom units some three-bedroom some two-bedroom uh units we're getting more housing uh we are just ahead of the big expansion down at Mayo there's be people looking for places to live there a bunch of people living right downtown shopping downtown um and and all that that goes
with it we are also still collecting the same taxes we would have collected if there was nothing there what are the people living in those homes or apartments going to pay for taxes they pay no property taxes uh their property taxes are
included in their rent they just like any place else if you rent at the end of the year get a CRP certificate of rent PID so those property taxes are calculated into the rent by the developer who will run that so they do pay property taxes but it's included
in okay I guess that's it you these are things we all should know absolutely appreciate the questions any more comments concerning uh the Tiff distri
I I'm I live in on 12 Street um he asked what the city is getting out of this I would like to know what it's going to cost me that's that's a good question so through establishment of a tiff District we have to go through a but for
test but for the public assistance would this project happen and so Ellers the financial adviser uh I'm the financial adviser of the city so what we do is we collect the development information from the developer their sources and uses
their operating budget we look at their 15-year cash flow we don't want them to be unduly enriched with public assistance so we're specifically taking a look at with the Tiff that's being requested what is their return on investment is that reasonable based on other projects within Minnesota and
Wisconsin that are also requesting public assistance and so we essentially answered yes and this was discussed at a prior city council meeting what is it going to cost me as a I don't I don't need to hear all that yeah uh nothing
because we're only look we're only looking at the taxes generated by this development to pay the incentive that taxes generated by this department the taxes that will be paid on that property are is what it is
now the property tax on that property will not change until 25 years we not right so the base value is still going to the local taxing jurisdictions maybe they're paying go $7,000 a year for that
property for the next 25 years and we continue to pay the taxes that we pay we don't save any money there ours is going to increase but no more money is coming into the city for the taxes or
the county for the taxes because they're still going to be paying 7,000 or whatever many dollars a year for 25 years yes or no yes property taxes but don't their ta their property
taxes still go increase like everybody else percentage wise so if ours goes up 5% theirs will go up 5% it's not like it's the property the property does okay and we don't see that for 25 years so I'm not going to be here in 25 years I
don't I don't care it it does increase we see that every year just like yours increase 5% theirs will increase 5% correct am I saying that right so we'll see that meaning the value of it right now you're
correct not the value of it in 10 years when it's built and it's you're you're correct on that but but it also too is that a tool for the city to help us bring in housing and other and and anding all that spending n if we don't
do this Tiff or offer this Tiff we don't get this apartment complex and we don't grow as a city so that is a tool for the city to bring developments in we have a list of 15 20 different businesses that have used the Tiff District or a tiff to
get that business in what are some of them that we had a list right here is the list there's 1520 that we've used the Tiff to bring businesses in our town to let it grow and bring other money into it and I think the important thing to realize is your taxes are not
increasing because of this your taxes might increase because we have to increase taxes to keep things pay they're paying the same amount to the schools as they do now not um I the schools are still getting what they should be getting now right
there's no there's that's not gonna come back at all okay because that's a priority for yeah I have a question hi I'm Gina khi um how what is the average like you said 26 years is it usually every city does 26 years or what is the
average for cities is it a lot less yes part of it is what the project is okay usually housing I think I'm correct on this correct me if I'm wrong housing it usually is closer to the 26
when some of these other tiffs have been five or six because of what it spread over I mean I correct on that Keith but you're you're correct today's market environment with the construction cost increase that we've seen over the last three years with the higher interest
rates in order for projects like a market rate project or even an affordable project to go forward in today's market environment if that's a priority of the council they most likely will need some level of assistance to move forward I can say
Statewide the average term of a tiff district is about 16 to 17 years but now there's some that might go the full 26 but there's some that may be decertified within six or seven years because it's already generated the
obligation yes Kim P am I wrong I'm thinking that if they we meet the obligation of I can't remember the exact amount we're paying back so say we meet that in 18 years and we pay them back we can desertify the chff district and it's done yeah you are required to desertify
it if they pay back sooner it's done thank you yes sir I'm just wondering if the medium is 16 years why don't we go with that instead of
26 I mean once it's paid for the city itself generates that tax money not the contract correct yes I think there's a lot of different variables because if we do 26 and they get and they satisfy in 16 we can close it out and be done but
if we do 16 and they need 22 to do it we can't we can't redo it then so it's better to go higher and worker lower you're trying to go in front the the caution happening say in that 22 years or whatever it is in case they run into
some difficulties is that what I and and I think part of its cost too is what you said is why we do it 26 because of the cost is so high I mean specifically regarding the Tiff plan cities are required to adopt Tiff districts and Tiff plan with the maximum in mind so
that's why the plan is over 26 years but that's not necessarily the means that's going to be provided to the developer any more questions on the dis District yes sir so let's say this property they're buying is worth 500
Grand taxes are 7 Grand they put a million dollar building on it will their taxes increase to that million dollar Sage or they going to be at that $7,000 for until the tip is done yeah you have the two buckets so the base value value taxes that are
being collected still go to the jurisdictions that new value is where the tax increment is coming from and so the portion that the city agrees to with the developer would be rebated back to them so they're still paying their property tax on the full amount it's
just the rebate from that tax increment comes at a later date you're you're essentially I I I I would say the analogy is you're planting a seed today do they get a break taxes or do they have taxes on milli building that's what
I'm saying does it you know if it's only worth 100 Grand now but they put a building on now it's worth a million well the taxes on a 100 taxes on a million which one are they going to pay they pay taxes on the million okay that's
what my question the 26 years yeah they pay taxes whatever their taxes are they pay and then we reimburse the Tiff part of that he just said to me that the property tax be the same for 26 years we
receive what we end up with will stay the same because they get the difference but they pay the increased taxes and then we give them that Tiff portion which is the difference remember the two buckets that he showed up there yeah yeah that
one so they they get the the purple box back each year but they keep paying increased taxes like everybody else and that's how that's how a tiff District uh is satisfied in less years if taxes go up more for a long time
they're getting more back but we're never going to have more than what was set out in the Tiff plan to them so it could saying it's the same we would be getting the same amount in taxes as we are now yeah five or 7,000 Kim okay I think very easy way to
think of it is if they're paying $3,000 in taxes right now and they build a building and I'm just going to make it small numbers because it's easy and they build a building and now they have to pay $10,000 in taxes the $3,000 still goes to the school the city and the county which basically is split and
three they're pretty even evenly taxed the $7,000 will be reimbursed back to the developer now if they don't pay their taxes which has happened for a year maybe with a tip District in the past and they don't get their Tiff payment and their interest can you know so so
they have to pay it to get it it's not just a check we write every year when the tax settlements com they have to pay their taxes to get it so if they were in a rear of their taxes they wouldn't get a tiff payment so extra money in there would go to the county or whatever not necessary to the city but it still be
paid to our County yes they have to pay it to the county just like our regular property taxes that we pay in town but they just get they' get the 7,000 the city the school and the and the county would get the three does that make sense
yes B are they going to be pay part of the property tax there always every rent every rent on every house that anybody pays the landlord is required by law to tell them what their portion of the property tax is they aren't paying much in property tax why would the people
living have to pay they paying their property taxes is just included as part of so then people that from will have to pay just a small Keith can you weigh in on that because I'm not certain on that I I mean I want to pay property tax if I have to end up living there because I can't stay
in my own home I don't want to pay property tax to cover uh ridiculous I'm sorry ridiculous amount if I'm living in a place that's only paying taxes you understand what I mean I mean
they're not going to pay a large amount until 25 26 years okay so if there was only being assessed at whatever amount that is valued at now then my portion of taxes should be in proportion to that
right but there's the new value on top of it so the developer is still paying all of the property taxes it's just the county breaks it up okay 3,000 gets distributed to the local tax jurisdictions 7,000 a p of that is
rebated back to the developer that's to help them achieve their reasonable return on investment about the r they get the rent rebate off of the total amount the total property tax the total
10,000 so what not the value that it is not right correct correct I'll just um so aren't they supposed to recuperate recuperate that from their rent that
they are being paid why do we have to give them $7,000 a month to help them pay for the building that they're getting a rebate on from the taxes that are being paid and the rent that they're paying on the building that makes
absolutely no sense to me whatsoever well and and you're just paying paying them to build a building on that property in my mind the only two people that are making anything out on this as France and bank and the
contractor not the city of zro not the people in zro the contractor and the bank you tell me if I'm wrong part of the part of bringing the apartment complex all these regs the 38 Apartments
are going to be buying gas buying groceries spending the shops going to our Park uh they're all going to that all helps the city as UMO to become a bigger and I'm talking sir please that's why it's important for us
to bring housing in because it helps our community to grow and spend our money their money in this town if it's the grocery store if it's the gas station our little wonderful stores downtown that's why it's important to bring housing into the city in any City I
understand that but I was you don't right now no no I'm having a real difficult time understanding why we should be reimbursing the contractor for him to have the ability and the privilege to build in our
town that's part of what makes a city grow is the doing stuff like that if I can interject here so um a a contractor or developer is not going to develop if they can't rent their building out right if they they want to rent apartments in order to get the rents where they need
to be to rent out those apartments um that's where these type of tools come in so that that so they can build a building and keep the rents in a in a in a at a level that um they can rent those apartments and they want to keep their rents a little bit lower than the
southern Metro lower than Rochester we're going to draw people here and this this Tiff um and the grant that they got allows them to do that otherwise if they built the building without any of that the rent would be just unbelievable they would never rent the building
out I'm rexler and I just want to say I think this a real positive thing for the city and yes it's going to take some money to do it but not everybody can afford a four $500 house and we need some affordable fing here and if this what it takes to get in here I think
it's great cuz what are they classified work Workforce housing Workforce housing yeah so it's not a low income it's a Workforce housing income base and that's part of all this equation of doing that is to make it a work for housing it's Workforce housing so it's
not Section 8 yeah that's what they're going for the workforce housing based people it's not section A it's workhouse so it's not people that can't go out and pay $3,000 value not
affordable yeah yeah I that's just wondering what kind is there been a study on like traffic flow you're going to add 38 units is that correct the 38 units so you've got a minimum of
38 cars possibly 70 if they're three-bedroom apartments moving in and out of what's already probably arguably one of the work one or two worst uh intersections by Casey to try and get on
um at a certain point of day so there seem to be kind of a hope and prey approach with the Caribou when we approve that like is there a plan in place for the traffic flow has there been a study done on what that does to it and then also how does it affect the people on the backside of the Main
Street businesses that are already using that to park and uh the apartments up above you want to take that right yes so the developer is working with the county that the uh uh parking ramp is below the building or the parking is below the building so they're working
with the county it exits out onto Second Street which is a county road so they're working on the traffic stuff with the county um as far as the parking in the alley there's going to be quite a bit of an increase in parking uh they're going to pave the alley curb and gutter and they're going to have angled parking
back there um depending on how you look at it now there's eight or nine viable spots Maybe more like five without using the neighboring property uh to park and I think there are going to have 18 there um and those spots will not be
designated this is all part of the developers agreement negotiations uh those spots will not be uh designated as apartment parking they will be available for everybody so there's actually an increase in parking the alley is going to be fixed up and very nice back there
um you know all in all that it's going to be shaping up to be a really nice project any more questions concerning uh the Tiff District yes sir I would just like to know that you we were talking about
expanding where's all this expansion going to take place what do you mean by that take place first can you state your name and your address please 409 Forest and I just like to know I mean we're talking about you know expanding
expanding expanding where is all this expansion taking place without getting in a whole different politics right now different I'm not looking at politics but but what rephrase that I have been involved with
a couple other companies and same with uh I can't remember who Brian was there Eda director we have a couple of companies coming in and looking at expansion um hotels and restaurants and stuff like that it all takes time it takes developers so that's if you want
to talk about what we've done I can but I'm not going to open that up but we've worked on other companies and other expansions of other commercial stuff in town it takes time and it takes money to do that so one reason I'm asking
is how far is this going to go north south west [Music] east I mean I we got to if you're going to build something you have to have a property to put it on correct I mean we
have some other commercial properties out there that we can expand there's other Farm line that we can expand and Annex in but I mean I don't have a crystal ball to explain that I mean where they discussion we're talking about a tiff District um in downtown
zota bringing in 38 units of of partments any more comments concerning the this I will close the public portion of this and open up the council for any more uh questions concerns and a motion
on this motion I'll make a motion to it's resolution yeah resolution yeah I'll make a res resolution Mo take a motion resolution I'll make a motion to approve the
resolution second 2025 2025 16 oh I'll second that uh any further discussions all in favor I oppose oh sorry Joan hi ke or Kevin hi uh Fred and
I I passes 320 thank you on that okay let's what was that 3 to two 3 to2 320 yeah 320 okay yeah perfect uh we'll open the public hearing concerning the ordinance
20252 I know most of you are here on this I'm going to uh do a little bit of uh he cleaning or housekeeping on this topic just to kind of maybe we can answer some questions on this to where we're at today um the purpose why this got up in our code committee we've been
working on this for how long Kevin 6 Months 8 months closer to a year to a year um and the reason we we brought this up in the code committee and and part of that code committee is myself a council member the police chief and three residents um police chief has questions
our Police Department we get several complaints throughout the year of on a lot of these topics but our ordinance are old are older and we're working on redoing them to make them more modernized the chief has a tough time enforcing or dealing with these
ordinances so that's how this came about so the code committee has been working on this for a year looking at other avenues other ordinances that are out there so when the code committee finally put a revised ordinance on this together
that's when the city council was aware of it and that's when the public was aware of it so in the meantime since the city and the public have been aware of it we had a work session here was it March 13th I believe yeah it was on a Wednesday and we discussed this and as
Council had a lot of questions a lot of concerns that we need to address which we've heard it seen it that's why we're here um we were going to just send this back to the code committee but we couldn't because it was already publicized it was
already a public hearing so like let's get our public uh input but we already plan on sending it back because there's a few topics on there that we need to address on some different ones um but the main purpose our police department has no way when we get
several complaints a year it's very vague it's hard for them to get anywhere so that's why this topic came came up um I guess I guess I'll open up to public comments you have three minutes state your name and location we'll listen to it the only thing that we ask
you to be constructive and be respectful when you're 3 minutes up miles to take the time we'll cut it off we'll move to the next person if it becomes unconstructive or unrespectful we will shut you off and ask you to leave and and please don't get up and
say something somebody else has already said because that that just takes a lot of time so if you if your comment has already been said then then please please don't say it again so yeah so the council's been aware we've already talked about in work session it was pretty lengthy already we don't agree
with some of it um and then if maybe we'll answer a couple questions as we go on of kind of what we're at so I will open the public can I just say one more thing so this is the process this is in ordinance how we how we do things um we created the code committee which is
citizen lead um and then we look at which ordinances have been a lot of complaints tough to deal with things like that um you know several complaints about uh trailers and and uh campers parked in the road all summer several complaints about neighbors looking up
their window at the side of a camper for the last however many years we had no way to deal with that stuff um so so the chief and the police department so what do we do you know well can't do anything uh is it something we should look at agreed that yeah it's something we should look at so the code committee uh
took it on and it took a good year and we did a lot of research a lot of different ordinances from all over the place I consulted with our city U our city uh attorney uh but yeah please note that um it is the process um and so we
followed the process and and and like Todd said the council becomes aware of it at first reading what when everybody else saw it because then we publish it and but they did the right thing you know council's acting exactly the way they should accept the public hearing to bring in the public for for comments so so that's how we got to where we are
today we're well aware that there's a few things in there that didn't come across the way we intended and and we we'll listen to that tonight we agree and we're going to revisit it but yeah I think go ahead Todd and I think I think two comments that I just want to make quick that we know that we need to address that's been an issue approved
service and what's not approved service and uh utvs motorized vehicles was a worded wrong in here so them are two things that we need to address I've also been questioned by a lot of the community I've talked a lot of the community about
utvs golf carts and then approved Services I mean we can put we all know there's a few properties out there now that we have issues but that's while we're here so I will open the public comments please come up here close to a mic I think there's a round state your
name your address and uh your concerns yes sir thank you I could bring it back to you my name is Steve C 668 East for Street and I guess I've dealt through with this all
my life there's people that take care of their property and there's people that don't uh the people that don't are the ones that should be addressed my way of thinking you give them a 15-day warning and after that
15-day warning you write them a citation they get another 15 days to clear it up and every day after that last 15 days they get assessed another portion of a fine you just can't go out and blanket
cover everyone because I have a neighbor that has a really good spot to park his motor mobile home in it's crushed track it's off the street it looks good the people that have got concrete
slabs for their boats or their trailers they have taken Provisions to get it off the street and make it safe so I guess that's my two cents and um other than that I don't know what
else you can do but I I think the people that are really really messing it up and parking their stuff on the street are the ones that ought to be addressed it's not the ones that have got campers in their backyards because that is their property
they have bought it they pay taxes on it and they should not be uh victimized because they're they have it parked and I'm sorry to the people that have to look at it but that is their
land they pay property taxes on it they paid for the house they paid for that land and if we all wanted to live in an HOA we'd move thank you Todd yeah thank you couple things that I want to clarify
that I appreciate that are our Police Department don't have any our ordinance is so vag so we we're trying to make it less vag where we can deal with it when we have complaints that people call like you describe so that's the purpose of this and number two we're on a complaint
basis only in the city I'm not instructing my Police Department I'm not instructing Brian and I'm not driving around town picking out the problems I'm not going to do that because we have better things to do at their time I realiz that complaint is called in should addressed and our Police
Department should be given the authorization to do what I said and that that's what we have but our ordinance is baged so they have no dire I'm not I'm not denying that the ordinance doesn't have to be changed but it has to take some thought
so everyone that's doing their job shouldn't have to worry about the people that are doing their job and and that's what we're doing we're changing the ordinance and just because we Chang the ordinance I'm going to pick on BR Camp because they got a camper I'm going to go pick on them now no I mean I mean
that's it's not doing that and that's and I see that I know that I believe me I I know I mean so the purpose of this is to change the ordinance so when we get complaint the police department has somewhere to go with it we're not going to go after we're not hunting it we're
not we're not making an hway we just have to have some guidelines a guideline is good okay time next comment sorry guys Leonard Wood 1255 East Avenue I agree with Steve
um that private property is private and if you don't like it look that way don't look towards my property please I don't have it super junky but I feel targeted a little bit by you guys so we do Park our camper on the street in the summer I
really want you to try out your injured party I'm not hurting anybody it's licensed it's insured and I'm not blocking any signs you know you don't I don't know you guys you got to pick what you're
going to do you don't enforce anything then you get Junkin but I get both sides of the argument but I don't think I'm injuring anybody and if I pulled it forward or pulled it back so someone looking out their window wouldn't see the camper they'd see the front door of
the house or the garage door I I don't understand I I just I I didn't I read it and I kept reading it going I I don't get it what I park behind my house box niit it doesn't it doesn't
have anything to do with anyone here it just doesn't make factors I have four-wheelers scary they're you know I got them they're licensed they're you know insured like all the stuff is taken care of there's people in town that have
those that don't have their stuff insured they don't have and that's what we got to deal with we can we get there without all this because it this seems a little honorous I'm just going to say one more thing Liberty just let people do what they
want to do yes sir David grimard is my name um has anyone talk to you about like I see in Pine Island where you have private gated secure areas for parking RVs and so on
we don't have that in Z do we has anybody talk to you about that there we know one that's talking about it could be a solution there may be something people no it's just just the thought
it's it's not uncommon to have places people use the fair grounds and so money there's one thing about Freedom about Freedom you you have uh easements or whatever when I want to build a house
you're going to set me so far off my neighbor right uh why do you do that why don't you let them build right through the lot line because we have utilities that we got to run along the property line I'm just saying there's
uh there's an argument being made for rules and that that's what this is about I I just I just threw that out about I I I know of a guy that wants to develop a place for parking you know not City ownership but
private ownership and uh that might be helpful to some people like those at park at the fairgrounds yeah thanks Dave you want to go next Trish KES I live in Z Woodlands um first I appreciate this I think the
police department needs to have a fair um clear ordinance when they get these complaints they're stretched pretty thin and I think that have some clarity on what they need to to do would be helpful to
them um I would like to know what the defined surface would include what is the appropriate service that we would need to have on our own property to park a camper or whatever we we do have
a camper it's been on our side of the garage for years it's on the side of our garage it's out of it's not on the street I pay P taxes on that property
it's and I don't want to be exactly told what I cannot have in my driveway or I can't have on the side of my house um so I'd like some clarification on do we you know is it concrete that we're going to have to pour Brock what
what what is going to have to happen to to make it okay to have our camper there just approved service is concrete black top gravel right is kind of what we classify as approved uh surface
that's within other portions portions of the ordinance that's not stated it's not yeah we don't know what the approved
it's I think it's laid out somewhere and other ordinances it's in the thing without pulling it up I mean but I mean that's what approved services are okay I mean and we we can lay that out and it's then are the concrete black top gravel
papers something like that is what we mean or what other topics are on approved Services thank you oh my goodness you want to go just
kidding just cut them off right now yes ma'am Jan beeford 402 East 9th Street I think there are a number of things that need to be considered I know you've talked about uh you understanding this needs to be revised so I would be
interested in seeing the next draft um I agree with having people living sleeping in a camper in city limits is an issue unless they are on for example the trailer
court property so that's where the public property um sentence in letter D could be issue um and I also agree with not parking in the street because I
think most of us have experienced obstructed view if people are parking in a spot that is you know not conducive to being able to see the entire intersection and when we talk about the
size of the lot and looking out the window then we need to consider what is the size of lot and is there a difference in what can happen on that lot then that's my input and I guess the
ordinance people probably looked at the individual complaints but I think it's important to focus on what the complaints are and then address those complaints and not go over reach thank you
you're more than welcome to come to our code meeting it's the third Tuesday or third Tuesday every month to discuss that once we get a finalized draft we'll probably be in the same boat we are today uh doing another public hearing but the bottom line is I'm going to say
this again the purpose of this is our police department has no guidance on these stuff we started here and it's a work in progress and once we figure out what the order details nothing's going to change
it's probably going to be the same complaints that we get every year that our police department now can focus on those and take care of them problems because I'll guarantee everybody here can think of two or three properties that we have problems with in this town and that's probably the only
difference is going to be the police department is going to have a better way to control it ticket them find them and whatever the procedures are another public comment portion I'm going I'm Jamie Johnson I'm at uh
1255 East Avenue my issue with the parking the camper I live in the middle of a block I have no way of getting to the back of my house I have no way to store build on
the side of excuse me on the side of my driveway I have a single car driveway so I have no way to get to the back of my house by the size of my lot Park my camper from the beginning of Summer till the end of summer because I
have nowhere else to put it I store it in the winter it's gone for the winter I don't see why I need to move my camper every 72 hours because the cop shows up at my door and says you've got to move
it we had a complaint watch your own bobber people it's my camper I'm not hurting anybody I'm not part worked in front of their house on the corner I'm right in front of my house if somebody wants to see my
front door come on over I'll show you my front door leave my camper alone that's my issue why every 72 hours like it's something we're working it's a work in progress I'm just voicing
my thought on it I appreciate it I mean I've done it I'll hook it up I move it just to leave it alone I mean I'm not hurting anybody anybody yes sir hello Fred Kagen uh s on E Sports
Street I am Steve bber thank you Steve um I guess uh in addition to everybody what everybody else has said so I want to repeat anything I just going to say I have you know good neighbors we I've talked to them all
about our situation everyone's cool with it but and the next their neighbor are are fine it's like right in their face but they and they but they're elderly they're not going to be there forever I don't know who's going to move
in the way this is way I'm reading this any person with an ax to grind can ladic complain I mean the way I read this I'm in violation of pretty much everything on there so anyone who ask to grind will be able to hold that over me
or anyone else here that has similar situation and I have no recourse other than to give her the camper a move because it's um I'm not going to store it elsewhere in the summer when we use it we St all
winter it's gone like last speaker said um and it's off the road but like I said it's not going to fit your criteria and I just think it's way too much overreach um I didn't move into an HOA
and I never intend to so I don't want one brought to me so that's my thoughts perect thank you yes sir uh Ryan morresy 356 Warren Avenue um I guess one issue I've got with it is the the 15 foot setback um a lot of people
don't have driveway length to to do that um you know a lot of these vehicles are long a lot of our driveways are pretty short depending on how or when the house was built you might not have the room um as far as that you know I'm not saying you shouldn't have some type of as setback if you're going to have a
rule but what I'll say is if we can downtown have buildings that are I'm guessing five six feet from the curb you know you can't see around these giant buildings so why can't somebody Park their camper their RV their trailer within whatever that setback is
why can't that just be this is the town setback versus because it's a camper no now you got to park an extra 10 feet back you know last year we already passed or maybe even two years ago you can't park within 10 feet of somebody's driveway without their permission I think you're 20 or 30 ft away from the
stop sign you know we we've already got the public right of Way open for safety parking within 5 six feet of the curb or let's say up to your sidewalk does not does not POS a danger to anybody thank you thank
you yes Ma and I'm GNA sit my name is Sandra Bryant I live at 617 West 8th Street at the top of Warren Avenue um my husband and I moved to zro in 1999 and
specifically we chose where we live because it does not have an HOA we had a camper then and we still have a camper now through several rounds of remodeling we have actually created a paer driveway
and a special paer spot next to our driveway for our camper but it is in front of the front of our house so it would definitely be in violation of this and um um I I I
consider that a problem it is my driveway there's never been a complaint Mr Peterman are you worried about it I'll comment in a bit okay so he might be but he's never said it to me
yet um but I actually like it there it it it actually provides both of us with some more privacy extra privacy that we appreciate um and I will say we have occasionally had people living in it for
very short wellp specified time periods and it they've always been people working with our church so they've been people who come in to do a choir concert we've let them stay there
um there was a uh our soccer team yes had they had British soccer coaches come in they stayed there and again we never got any complaints there might have been some issues but we never got any
complaints about it and we would not allow them to be loud I will state that right now um do I want people living in there in the future I have no idea probably not not for an extended length
of time it would be for a very short time so I just feel like right now the way this is written WR um we'd be in violation of it and we would have to consider I think we would be considering moving and leaving some BR so there
would be people that would end up leaving if this goes forward the way it's currently written thank you C make it short and sweet I know a lot of things we get so much time um I think
most of us with the brain understand that something has to be put in stone so these guys can figure out what to do I mean that's why we're here I think um my personal opinion I think there's two separate issues that we haven't really divided I think street parking is different than using your personal
property to park your vehicles whatever my opinion so I think that might want to be addressed I'm all for keeping stuff off the street more than 72 hours whatever the the magical number is there are some places I know I heard somebody say it's parked on the street there's places in town where there are no
sidewalks you know kids got to ride their bikes around them into the street and so forth so like said I think there's two issues there um it was touched on and Sergeant Tony just showed me there is if you guys could put a link to the improved surface I look for it
all day online I couldn't find it and he just showed me that it's in the city website someplace to see exactly what that is a lot of us don't want to be in violation whatever you come up with you know and ours doesn't sit on and quote an improv surface
one thing I found kind of funny was it does state in here that no sleeping if it happens to be a camper in your Camp I thought that's a little over reach um it's under D um to be used for living sleeping or housing I understand we don't want
people living in people's yards and I CER we all get that if my kid wants to spend the weekend or have her friends over and spend the night in the camper they can't sleep in the camp can we still set up a tent in the front yard I mean that I think needs to be addressed
um I'd be a liar we have a senior in high school I know it'll get used as an extra bedroom when people come for open house for a night you know it's we all don't have multi-bedroom homes so something to consider um I noticed I didn't see any setbacks as far as side
to side on your property where can you put can you put an improved surface right up to your line is it the same setback as your dwelling I something to clarify for us yeah very good question we did talk about that because right now you are not supposed
to park anything within five feet of the property line with this ordinance um that is too restrictive we understand that if we're going to ask anybody to do this and park next to their garage it we up to the property line you can Surface up to the property line yeah perfect
Cameron can you state your name and your add 717 Cameron cash 717 straford drive here in Zoda um yeah we've touched on that I mean you alluded to maybe some of the verbage needs to be changed I think if somebody owns a golf cart they ought to be able to park it in the driveway I think
that's kind of ridiculous but um and like I said the UTV is one that we know that definitely needs to be addressed that's why we won't rehash that um little out the issue but I I don't want to be careful because I don't have their permission to use anything but I have good friends that live close to us
who happen to be police off officers they have multiple Vehicles they Park them in their front lains to get out of the way of snow plows in the winter I'm offici if they do that I'm appreciative what they do for a living and keep me safe um I think we want to be careful where we where we draw a line I mean I
think we all know what we're trying to we're trying to keep the city clean with reasonable expectations so those guys have something to fall back on so and that's exactly the purpose my last question when if things are adjusted
relook that will there be a public meeting again with that I would assume I mean like you said it took us a year to get this far obviously it should have took us two years CU I
don't so like you said we're working on it and I appreciate everybody's comments and I appreciate everybody being the constructive and respectful any more public comments yes Paul Paul Peterman 805 Warren
Avenue um I I completely support what the council's trying to do completely support that as Cameron just stated everybody knows there's a lot of areas to clean up I think one thing that hasn't been talked enough about though
is safety and with what the code committee is kind of put together with the setbacks I think really the idea behind that is about safety because if you have a camper
right up to the road or impeding Vision that is a safety issue and it only takes it only takes one time for something to happen to a kid somebody on a scooter trike whatever
and we're and say my God why didn't we we should have addressed that so I support what you're doing um I I do think there needs to be definitely some
updated ordinance on that um you know we have we have great neighbors next to us we do have the Bryants who have a camper um we've never said anything over the years we've just tried to be good
neighbors but I do think it's time that we get consistency in the city I do think we need to focus on safety and we do need to start cleaning things up and I understand the position that the
officers are in because that is Tony Pat love you guys just don't let your job thank you thanks Pa any more public comments yes ma'am I got her coming up first um my name is Janet Nicholson and
I live at 906 South Main Street um I live on Main Street and I live like kind of right where the road goes up and I also have a camper so I understand like the reasoning behind an
ordinance like that I misunderstood what the point of this meeting was so I went a little crazy and I looked up other cities with ordinances and most of those cities with the exception of Elco New Market have populations greater than
30,000 people um their parking restrictions are around safety I know you guys said you had three people complaining and if it wasn't a complaint about safety and it was a complaints about beautification or whatever I mean
I'm you guys are City Council Members so I'm sure complaints are foreign to you guys I they're not but you know I mean so if somebody's complaining about a camper because of beauty um I mean there's so many other things that we I
mean are we going to start picking on people for signs and flowers and fences and stuff like that so most of this they have uh if you can park on your driveway there's 5T setbacks most of them have
season seasonal use parking um right away Corners 20 ft 10 ft um not blocking businesses not blocking public roads um there are limitations on sizes and
and that's safety I mean I know like even in the winter when somebody you know I live right on that crosswalk where there are kids and high school students and walking I know that
sometimes if cars are parked on Ninth Street it's difficult to see so I understand like if you're telling me I have to do a 20 foot setback from the sidewalk or from that street for safety I get that but also I mean I store my
camper in the winter I have it out during the summer because I mean sometimes I don't want to drive out to the middle of nowhere to pick up my camper because I want to go camping um and it's I mean some people probably
think it's an eyesore but it's my eyesore and it's it's not unsafe I have all you know what I just elected you for the next CoD meeting for the next six month it's the third
Tuesday of every month I me you have great ideas you have great ideas that's what we for that I didn't know you guys had code meetings um and you might be careful what you wish for because we only hold it to an hour so
yeah but I do like I I mean there were 11 cities that I found that have driveway camper ordinances your times up so yeah okay perfect but I'll see you next month can I just add a couple comments
those are very good and speaking on the on the uh uh on behalf of the code committee I'm at the meetings I do the minutes and all that um they did extensive work on size because there's a lot of ordinances out there that regulate the size of a camper and then
where it can be and we wanted to simplify it they wanted to simplify it as much as possible and we came up with what we came up with um but uh the comments about looking at the setback distance and all that absolutely that's that's what came to light when we spoke with Council too was we need to look at that a little bit closer so great
comments and and just know that the code committee did extensive work on all of that and there was a lot of ordinances that they looked at um sizes locations setbacks you name it but uh happy to go revisit it again and thank you for good
comments not that we have to be done but yes Kyle Kyle up uh 209 Golden Bear Lane zro um I'm not going to take a lot of time I double down on everything Cam said I think there's two different issues here I think we got on street
parking um what I park in my driveway um that I'm paying property taxes on I don't think is the city of zambro business setbacks uh people building new construction homes uh I'm also a realtor in town um it is you can go as little as
six feet on the garage side are we correct on that think it's five yeah five or six y you as 6et most campers are 7t wide you are eliminating any chance even if you use if you have your
garage sitting there and you go six feet you can't even physically get a camper in there so that's not even an option so the next best best option I feel is in my driveway um again I don't want to get I'm not going to double up on stuff if my kids have a sleepover and they want
to sleep in my camper um you know I don't want I I appreciate where you guys are at I feel like a lot of us are upset that we're getting punished for the sins of five or six I'm not going to throw we all know who they are um you know I I
represent clients that try and sell those houses in those neighborhoods and it's frustrating they don't want to look out so I appreciate it I would like to get them cleaned up as well that's my two sense uh keep them off the streets uh I don't want I don't want my
neighbor's yard looking like a car you know if if it's grass I don't think there should be stuff parked on it but if if people have a concrete pad if they have gravel if they have black top uh I I say let them let them use it that's my two cents thank you guys appreciate
it more there we bring you yeah I'll come back here we we I come up there because what I have to say isn't isn't uh it's basically oops I'm
sorry a question and a comment I'm I hope this isn't being filmed it is I H you know what of myself okay I have a 34t motor home and
I park it on my driveway in the summer and it's blocked so it can't roll and my brakes and everything work properly but uh I'm just trying to
figure out is there an issue with seeing around this I mean it's it's quite a ways off the road I don't park it in the road only when we're going on vacation because I need to level it for
the refrigerator and hook the boat up so it's a maximum of 12 hours and the same when we get home but uh it seems like when I heard about
the 72h hour part even if it's in your yard what why that's my yard I put the cement down I pay the taxes the it's insured and I pay hellacious license on
it and it just doesn't seem fair we're we're retired and we don't move as fast as we did 20 years ago so it's nice to have it close but
uh I guess if I have to I will put a pad in back where I can park it if push comes a shove but I have asked my neighbors when
I got it when I put it up in the yard I said you have a problem with it no no and no and I said I won't I won't run my generator only need to only need to check it
so it's what I'm trying to get by get over here is that I have reached out to my neighbors and said do you have a problem and and they were very kind and they said
no is all it does is block some of our neighbor to the South and that's it I mean it's just their house so they can't see my door and I can't see the garage
door that's it but I don't want it stored offsite no way okay we got time thank you can I can I just follow up on that so um well first of all you know we're
not saying you can't park it anywhere on your land there the ordinance is saying that there's areas where you can probably going to change based on comments um and also the reason for the ordinance is to uh give the the code
enfor Enforcement Officers um um some standing in helping with someone who doesn't want to look at that camper you know you have neighbors that are not going to complain well you're not going to get caught up in this you're going to be fine but but in the instance that
someone doesn't you know is tired of looking at that camper for all these years sticking way out in front of the house um there's no way to even have them so you know we're kind of discounting those people uh if if and and not that we're going to put it in place and you know but that's kind of
the the background of this um having something for the code enforcement officers that okay if if there's a complaint if you know and I've heard not neighbors don't mind neighbors don't mind oh that's fine but some neighbors do mind uh and we can't do anything if there's if there's a complaint uh so it
gives gives a little bit of a and however it shapes up you know whatever however restrictive it is or is not um at least then we'll be able to give some direction to okay this is how to how to handle that and and yes you you are you don't just have to live with it you know
that type of thing so anyway that's that's kind of the the thought behind it but and I just I pull it up to the garage just enough so I can get my Cadet out and it's it's not blocking the
street or it's not blocking any s around the corner so with that I'll thank you gentlemen and ladies don't call me sir for Christ sake we're related heavy on the
sir uh Laura mesy 356 Warren Avenue um so I guess uh a lot of what I was going to say has been covered by others um personally I don't think someone parking RV a boat trailer anything in their own driveway is really
matches the definition of a public nuisance which is something that's like against the health safety or morals of the community um so I think that's a bit of an overreach um I can understand I talked to one city council member who said that they're trying to work with
properties where RVs have in park so long that trees are growing up um around them but there's a huge difference between 72 hours and the time it takes for trees to grow um personally I think it should be amended to 10 days or similar um as far as the street parking
I think the driveway and people's own property approve surface that's fine but I don't think we should be restricting further than that um I did want to point out a few other things that people didn't point out on the ordinance um I appreciate the work that the code
committee has done on this but I think because they've been pulling from so many different city ordinances they needed to step back and look at this as a whole um because I think there's some things that they didn't mean to imply that they are here um so like for
example it says um you can't operate a recreational or specialty motor vehicle on publicly owned land including school grounds Park property playgrounds or except we're permitted by this section the section never permits anything so therefore we shouldn't be having campgrounds in our park we shouldn't
have snowmobiles in our Parks things like that um so something's missing there they either needed to add a section about the park um or take out this section that that restrict it restricts it um It also says you can't operate them
on any public Street Highway or right of way unless licensed by the city this implies that the city is now going to be in the business of Licensing RVs trailers boats I understand they have a licensing process for golf carts and ATVs but um the other city council or
city ordinances that I found that a lot of this was kind of taken from said pursuant to Minnesota law not licensed by the city and that makes a lot more sense because obviously the state licenses RVs trailers things like that um so I really think they just needed to set back and look at this and how does
this work for our community um I also agree with others who said that um you know the the phrase about sleeping in your camper is probably an overreach personally I think that the 72 hours I know this Council like to you is when
were talking about the grasses ordinance and everything last year that would be completely appropriate for someone to be sleeping or living in a camper some kind of 72 hours or maybe a onee time frame I think it it's totally fine as others have said if they have guests staying on their property um you know for a few
nights I don't see how that's harming anybody um and personally I would just strike as I said the driveway part of it um my other questions have to do with any more public comments more public comment St your name and your address
please is 203 Aqua Drive I honestly can't believe we're wasting this much time on a subject like this when we got more pressing matters you guys are talking about safety our main street is probably one of the most dangerous streets I've ever been around you can't
even come off a side street and pull out without damn near getting hit every day and now we're pressing about somebody parking a camper next to their house I mean that's pathetic guys it really is I mean start start worrying about
Main Street let's put some stop lights up how many people have gotten hit in at those intersections well talk about Main Street that's a state road we fight that all the time we fight that all the time soan you can't say we have not dealt with that issue because we agree that's
a hazard at all lady said earlier though people need to mind their own bobber there's better things to think about I mean obviously you want your cops going around worrying about people parking their goddamn camper in front of their house cops won't go around it's a complaint basis only thank
you any more public comments I just uh say your name address please oh I'm Ellis Benson 349 aquac Circle okay I've worked all my life for the things I've bought and what I feel this is is you
say I can't by Park my property on my property that's unfair any more public comments yes sir uh grah Kling 629 stord Drive uh I think everybody I shouldn't even sit I brief thing um people kind of
already covered what I was going to say but I I just to address the the we're getting a reassurance that will only be complaint-based well I think that's kind of our a lot of people's issue is that we don't want it to be in the people who
complains power to enforce those rules you know I I would just say that that's not really a consoling fact that well you know don't worry it's just going to be up to these people who have issues with this type of thing it's like
well we don't want it up to them you know we don't want it up to them what's in our property so that's all I got to say thank you any more public comment I will close the public uh portion of
this yes sir step up the mic my name is Alex Johnson I have 1182 West Avenue right uh there's no I'm not denying that this order is not in have good intentions on it I think it's a good good thing to have in in some sense
but I don't totally agree with it being the simple right this can't be simple this has to be defined especially if this is getting built or made sorry is is coming about because so to give our officers something to go by right right
it has to be defined when it starts when we start talking about campers and ATVs and all that stuff right I don't have a camper but I do have boats I do have trailers I do have that kind of stuff in my driveway unfortunately I'm off the road quite a little bit on a somewhat of
a dirt road so but if it's a complaint base and we definitely need to have some definition behind it if you're going to complain have your things your facts and stone if you're going to complaint and give us something for our officers to actually go
against yes sir hi I'm Dave chalberg I live on 724 West Third Street and we got to remember that this here is America and you can't predict who your neighbors are
and so when you try and make some ordinance that affects everybody's personal property you got to be careful that how you word that and stuff and and maybe there's going to be times because
you might only have 10 people in this town that are going to complain about other people's stuff on their private property and you got to make sure that sometimes you might have to tell the
people that are complaining that there's nothing you can do about it that's that's B our officers do that on a lot of our complaints because we get a lot of stupid complaints and our officers are wise and well trained that they
address it say hey this is person this so I mean our officers do that and they don't even make the deal with the complaint because some people's complaints are just complaint we probably have some people in this town that wish they lived in a gated
community possibly and that's that's not good that's not good I will close the public portion of this um I think uh we're all on the same page Council that we are going to send
this back to code committee which we've addressed beginning of this and I thank everybody for their comments and their uh uh input I want to thank everybody for being respectful and constructive
um I think that'll be our next step so this probably won't be done I know I got one new volunteer that's going to be at our next code meeting whoever she want I appreciate that and uh um I think that'll be the next step is that we will push this the code meeting and we'll
advertise it and probably bring it up but it's not going to make everybody happy but we got to get somewhere it'll be publicized it you can come to our meetings they're all on our website I mean we like more involvement by the uh the public just that's how we can get
places but we never get any and and we how are you it's on our website I mean it's in the paper I mean here yeah will you know think family AED like you guys are such good friends I think he family because you know I mean I think
like all the time 25 hour I love was Jerry the daughter okay and then is Jerry the sister yeah yeah yeah oh yeah I know I know the family yeah yeah I know the biggest thing is people don't get
involved until then when they read it in the paper they don't understand it all and then then they get upset a lot of people have talked to Once explain to oh that makes sense and the bottom line is there's 10 15 properties weu that's the ones that we need to go
to Police Department ideas we too oh no that's awesome it's awesome it's great to see you lot of com just didn't help really think it's worse after yeah well you know she just didn't go home um he's a sad guy L but um we
live really close so H and I stay every night and then like I don't know 3 weeks ago my husband had so we're just dealing with the new but Dad's doing pretty good he's doing good scares me yeah 63
years so I will I will I will see the brothers was good to see you okay we're going to jump down to 7A unfinished business uh review bids for proposed Trestle Bridge repair Bill
angerman fa yeah I yep couldn't see the the mayor you know that's important so uh at the last council meeting uh we asked for direction from the council Trestle Bridge so there some information in the packet we had some information in the
packet last week uh sorry two weeks ago uh we did solicit quotations from three contractors uh we solicit quotes from K Anderson icon Constructors and can and construction uh all three did submit a bid uh icon construction did ask uh if
they could modify the bid because they could not meet the deadline that we had the deadline we had is that we'd like it done by June 15th uh so we said submit that with that they were still not the low so the low quotation was submitted by Krauss Anderson Construction amount of
$19,400 so how this bid was solicited was that we picked what we thought would be the maximum amount of wood that would be rotten or replaced ideally it's less than this and this price would be adjusted down uh one of the questions
Brian asked me and we got the bids was well could it go higher yes it could go higher but it would but it would have to be something completely unforeseen so for example if we take the wood off and we find out that something we didn't we assumed was in good condition like for
example the big steel beam there's a crack in it or something like that then we'd have to re-evaluate so uh what we believe is that this is a a maximum amount that it should be less than this how much will not be known until at the council moves forward until the wood is
being tore off and and being fixed so uh the other thing that we mentioned last week is that uh the city was a I'm sorry two weeks ago uh the city was a finalist for a grant for replacement a transportation Alternatives Grant uh we
still have not received official word uh I think that's a positive thing uh I I think we're in a good position uh how good don't know but I still think that's a good position if we get that Grant a reminder that was for 2029 was for the
time that money would be available now we can do something called Advanced construct but the soonest we'd be able to do something is 2027 so again we're looking for a repair uh you can't say a two-year repair really we're looking for something that if it was five to 10
years uh we would have that flexibility so this is the main thing is we want to the intent was to get the Bridge open have flexibility while we waited for this grant or if the possibility is you know we could be awarded a partial Grant apply next year again this gives us
maximum flexibility so with that mayor I'll I'll pause and if the council or if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them one of the questions I have is if we decide to approve this and get the repairs done and get this Trestle Bridge open What's the timeline if we
proves it today when's the timeline that this is going to be done this June 15th okay so two and a half months um the barring any major things that they run into
majoring the normal flooding Act of God type stuff correct um when we did talk to Krauss uh their intent was they would start on it immediately uh and they would you know order order equipment materials and they would be out here uh probably in the
next week or two the goal is they would like to be done before the the normal construction summer season it goes into effect my question for youill if I remember correctly reading through their proposal car Anderson's um they
stated they hadn't seen or they haven't been to the bridge yet it's based off of your information you gave them and someone else uh they've been to the site they had four people that came out visited with our Bridge engineer okay so they they have been to the site they
have been in okay last they were out there they were out there last Friday okay then I must have misread what it was stated on the or they mistyped it one of the two I'm going to go with Miss typed it Bob so they they were out there okay good I have one question I
guess Anderson did have in their reming removal of the fence on one side what what is the status or how is that how are they going to the fence is going to stay nobody else had addressed
the fence and that's only so that was something that get a good catch mik so we did call and ask them the intent was that they remove and put it back up they thought it would be EAS or quicker to take the one side down and then re and then put that back up then take the other side they said they said they they
only thought they needed to take down one side but so where that fence goes through into those Timbers that board will stain or that I'll be honest I'm not 100% sure what they had in mind but that' be something we would figure out
so I see I I got installation of 6 by8 treated Timbers is that where the deck boards go on top of then are those like the old ra ties that's correct yes because it wasn't the main issue that is that where the 8 by eights are in and they're going to put
new new post for foundation yes understood where the finances are coming from this possibilities what possibilities lots of possibilities not where they're coming from the possibilities of them so that's another
discussion I don't know but and and we did put together that sheet that I put in front of you on the areas that we could take this money from there's there's several options I mean we also have an option we
I mean we haven't discussed do you want to keep it closed yeah right that's another option I mean we haven't talked really about that I kind of know where we need to go and want to go but do we want to wait at least see what if we get this grant to make that easier till 2029
or 2030 to save this type of money I mean there's a lot of different options it's really going to come down to a Time Factor do we need to open it for our residents can use it or visitors can use it and spend that money because it's a valuable
part well I think it is valuable and the other question you say about saving this dollars but in five years with inflation are we going to uh spend that already 100% agree I mean it's there's a lot of different options I mean I don't know about you guys but I assume you've heard
when's the bridge going to be open when's the bridge going to be open because it does get used more than I thought so I mean do I hate spending that type of money for maybe a twoe threee fix that's a lot of money but if we don't get that Grant or
we don't get as much and then we decide to do it that 160,000 could be 200,000 to repair so I mean it's that's a question too um in our discussions we talked about a bridge repair before of
approximate years of service that it would provide us did they give any indication on that bill if they do these repairs how long could It Go um our our Bridge engineer estimated 5 to 10 years because we still have the
the other abutments that we're not addressing we still have some of the steel beams Etc so this is just repairing the rotting wood so we still have the other older items but are we're not in as bad a shape as the as the wood okay so we're still talking minimum five
years out of this and we also look at it if we wait a month before we make the decisions on the grants and stuff this contractor contractors may not be able to get it done as soon and or the price may go up because it's in their busier construction season so
there's a lot of different variables and and the other thing is and Bill and I have talked about this but if we were to get a grant and we found out now it's probably two years before we could construct Advance construct in which case we would have to bond for that um
because of federal dollars and the permitting and is that correct Bill yes if if we are fortunate to receive a grant the quickest we'd be able to do this would be 2027 so now we're down two years is it is it important to us to get it open
sooner I hate spending that type of money but I think if we wait could cost us more money in the long run or whatever reason and was I refresh my memory is there another Grant we can reapply for
let's say we get some of this money from this grant is there another grant that we talk about or that we could possibly get more again next year for the same plan you can apply for the same Gran tiers in a row correct to get the rest of the money or more money to there was a grant member bill for the that would pay for
some of the design that's that's correct so I just knew there's some other options that we could get more money to that I had heard or we talked about or read so I apologize so we have applied for another Grant I'm sorry so thanks Brian we've
applied for two grants we applied for a grant to pay for the design because that's an ineligible expense in the other Grant so we play we applied for a grant to pay for the construction we applied for a grant to pay for the engineering and both are pending though
the the grant uh for the for the design we don't hear that until the summer so so two grants we've applied for Christian is is it normal that it it's gone beyond what we thought it would be to hear and like I heard you
say that was POS positive is that is it normal that that process takes longer than what they say Unfortunately they called us to tell us that one of the members was sick when they were voting oh okay so okay is this
mindock mindock District six correct so it's so mid people in the room it's the ATP okay it's the area transportation part so show it it's a it's a group of mindat and city city and county people in southeast Minnesota
ands at least so we had the snowstorm two weeks ago that was one of their makeup dates so we kind of we're fighting a little bit of bad luck Joan then if we if we don't get this Grant and we apply next year it'll be 20 it be
yeah 20 2030 for the actual dollars we can elect to do it earlier okay yeah I guess the main question is uh do we keep the B Bridge closed for at least two more years best case scenario or longer
if we don't get the grants or you repair it and get five to 10 more years out of it the way it is if needed or decide to wait two years then get another bid and we're at 240,000 to do the same thing we're doing today or whatever the
inflation is over time mainly they're fixing the two end abutments that go up to the steel beam main thing fixing is the wood the north one abutment on the North side is rotted and then they're fitting the the Timbers
that go across the railroad ties and then what they call the stringers that run lengthwise on top of the railroad ties and then the deck boards on top of that so it's think of it as a crisscross yeah board board boards you know so they're
replacing all well the rotten ones of the Timbers below all the deck on top and then the rotten stringers that makes sense and I think it's important to remember and correct me if I'm wrong bill but uh W's Bridge engineer did talk with the engineer that
that wrote the report that that shut the bridge down is that right they spoke about possible repairs uh so this has been vetted both ways and you know with a repair if we were to get grant money then we can decide when
to replace so it could be two years it could be three years it could be four years you we keep an eye on the bond market because we're have to bond for it and and whatever other factors uh inflation um you know that type of thing um so there'll be another decision to be made in there if you if you repair if if
you don't repair then we're just we'll just wait until we we we know if we have money um or not but it would be closed for at least you know another two summers or three Summers possibly what's the end date if we get some of that Grant is
there a date that we have to use it by or is they I think but the rule is you have to encumber the money in in that Federal fiscal year so that would basically take you to about 2030 okay you would year basically
yeah years so this repair you'll still need to keep vehicles and correct walk in and snowm and stff snowmobiles pedestrians bikes yes we keep the concrete barriers in
place that were there to keep the larger Vehicles off so do people run their ATV and their those types of they don't go over that bridge can't have an ATV on the trail oh okay snow bills in the winter
yes do we need a motion if okay I would make the motion that we prair and use the the low bid The Krauss Anderson Construction bed of
159 400 do we have to make that decision right now where we want to take that fun out game no I mean you can decide where you want to take the money out or you can decide to take out so we can approve it now and then when the bill comes decide
how we want to pay for that I think you should because we got some options or do you want us to I think you should mention the options that I mean these are just options Brian and I put together today if we wanted to sell Finance it um Brian I don't have the sheet in front of me so would them yep I
can through it so in talking with Kim I said we we need to know be to tell counsel if they want to do a repair where does this money come from so there's several areas uh that we came up with we could take the money from fund 421 uh this is the Rochester sales tax
money uh that was that was put in many years ago a previous Council designated that part of that money would go to the State Theater which it did part two of forgivable Loan program for local businesses I think that was a facade thing which which it went for and the
remainder would be uh for an industrial park a future Industrial Park uh the industrial park has not materialized at this point 160,000 of the remaining 221 22,8 could be used for this um I would
recommend this not be an interfund loan since this fund was not funded with our Levy but rather was it designated from vmc U for cities close to Rochester so that would have no Levy impact another option would be to to take the money from fund 104 the municipal Reserve fund
uh currently has 285,000 in it which is not earmarked for a specific purpose um we would like to see that one set up as an interfund loan or yeah an inter fund loan um that would have a a direct
$1,756 188 impact on the levy for the next 10 years that's about 75% on the levy um another option would be fund 600 water restricted currently has a balance of
9246 and some change uh that would again would be set up as an interfund loan over 10 years with the same 75% impact of the levy and and the last one would be the the sewer restricted um which we'll talk about later as well uh currently has a two
million a little over $2 million fund uh balance in there um again same 75 um % impact on the levy so three interfund loans that we would pay back over 10 years uh or sooner if we get the grants you know could probably you can there's
a mechanism we can pay those off um or no Levy impact with the Rochester sales tax money if you wish to change the designation uh again industrial parks are a tough thing they sit for years and years and years um and and this the small amount of money doesn't do a whole
lot of good for that but nice to have it there too just in case for some seed money so so those are some just some options that we could think of that U that would be viable all the all those loans would carry a 3% interest rate which is more than they're making in the
money market um so there would be a payback of Interest as well on those funds whichever account it comes from except the 421 the 421 would just take 160 out of that 221 a lot of words
so as as we weigh the spending of the money and we know that uh we're currently having less success than we'd like at the capital with bringing in the money for the north zbro Sanitary
District my fear being we're going to have to cough up more of that cost for building that that's going to directly impact the levy so anything we can do spending money that doesn't raise the levy that means you using these funds
421 as a as a redirect to the purpose of like that money was obviously established because the industrial park was is a really good concept really good desire of the city but it hasn't quite gone where it's wanted so if we could
spend from that one for this bridge project that would help relieve the 19,000 in the grant scheme we're talking about for millions of dollars for sewer treatment it's well um kind of so uh the
the Wastewater would be fee based it's fee based that's Enterprise account so that would not affect the levy it would affect affect um water or SE rates you know if if we get the funding sewer rates will double is what we're projecting if we don't get it they'll
quadruple or more so that would be sewer rates would increase not it wouldn't go on the levy right but I guess of the CI res pocket that's that's what I was going so if we have the money that
we can spend that's not going to affect their their money that they're going to pay in the future that would be my preference for that redirection option I I like that option too I just want to make sure though those funds were earmarked for that do we have any
legality or of discretion that we can or cannot use them I guess as make the decision as a council to make a motion or a resolution I'm not sure which to change that do for that um that is your you know as things change
councils can take different positions than what were originally planned for but it has to be has to be a motion I no one could arbitrarily just pull the money out of there that has to go with your approval my opinion on using fund 421
and doing the DMC sales tax hasn't been discussed what we want to use that money for how we want to use that money for do we want to use it for growth uh subdivisions commercial Lots because it's part of sales tax or Transportation or something like that
that is given from sales tax of Rochester versus doing something from our water restricted or sewer restricted that is paid by our residents or usage that our bridge is majority used by our residents do we have campers and people
that use the trails yes I mean that would be my two cents on not using that fund 421 I've always known it's been there I know we've always had that money it's never been discussed in the nine years that I've been doing this that
what we want to use that sales tax money for um Kim have we used any of that money for anything what what are some of the other things that we've used that money for the coun prior councils wanted that to be AEG stol so they wanted part of to the State Theater which they did
give some to the State Theater for their um refurbishment campaign there was $100,000 that went out to downtown businesses as forgivable loans also some of that was paid back early because they they sold their buildings before their loan term was forgivable so that also
funded um the speaker system for downtown out of there so the remain so they kind of were thinking it's 50 thou at that time because it's grown over time with interest so at the time it was I believe $328,000 so I think it was 50,000 I
think believe they gave the theater and then $100,000 to um to The forgivable Loan program and then the remainder went to um the industrial park which would have been roughly 178,000 and this would bring it down to
160,000 so if the original thought was 178,000 towards the industrial park most of that would still be here and I assume there's certain things we can and can't do with a restricted
fund you can as a council to vote and approve what you want to spend this money on on on on our instructed or restricted funds sewer water when the Enterprise funds or are you talking like the water and sewer the water restricted in the sewer we're only we only can do
certain things with that right well in water and sewer they stay in water and sewer you can make loans it's common practice in many cities to take loans from those funds because they tend to be the funds with the higher loan balances you of course look ahead and see what's
coming um to see if that if there's needs and you don't want to trample on any needs that may be coming but it's in some people consider it an investment just like we invest in CDs money markets we're paying we're paying that back
instead of and it's paying back at a comparable rate to the market so that's totally up to you if you want to or not we're still paying the city's still paying the interest on it the city's pay so if I only if you want to put it this
way consider the Enterprise fund would be the bank yes yeah so we'd pay the interest back up with the 18,000 in interest out of 18,000 principal and interest yep so that would be a direct Levy impact whereas the other fund would be less 18,000 for for
interest1 we would interest to ourselves if we that it be the straight 160,000 whereas if you went with the other ones it'd be the 160,000 plus the 10 years of interest at 3% and that would be on the levy and it should be said that when we say there's
not a need there's there's not an immediate need for those dollars within those accounts we project out over many many years and so that's how we can say okay we can borrow this amount now because that money won't be needed until down the road so so those dollars that
are in those accounts they're needed they're going to be needed at some point but we can project out that we can spare this much for this amount of time if that makes sense so any of the options are plenty viable it's all about what the council desires to
do like the I like the idea of not paying ourself all that interest you know if there's money there for that especially if the funds haven't been used or talked about in how many years and if we have discretion on
it here's a need I think it is a need that the the city does have that bridge repaired so it can be used he uh do we want to uh if well Joan if you would want to amend your motion to add a funding
mechanism is that Kim is that se like that that we could do that does that seem reasonable mik what do you mean by a funding mechanism if you want to choose one of these now if if you chose one of these
now or if you want to wait and they have us bring something back to you oh you know what we would need a resolution though probably right I would feel better yeah so we can't do that so let's the motion as is and then we'll come back with resolution back I think it'll be a resolution we'll work with
Mike flarity oh Mike you have yeah I I um I think the council has the authority to do that I guess I'm a little confused not quite tracking what the motion is so I think we all are yeah
I I apologize so is this related to the is this related to the bridge accepting a contract to so I mean to by my way of thinking those are two separate issues you if you
want to you know if you've opened the bids and you want to accept the lowest assuming it was competitively bid and you're accepting the lowest responsible bidder to enter into that Construction contract I think that's one issue and that's kind of what's on the agenda and then separately you know how you're
going to fund that you know out of the city budget or city budgets is really a separate issue and I think you can address that at a later time or you could just table
table the bid opening and do that at the same time but I think those are separate issues so that's why I was confused I didn't know if we're making a motion to you know hire the construction company now um or we're deciding the funding now or we're doing
both okay let's do that separately on we'll bring it back to the April 4th council meeting for funding mechanism right so we'll just make the motion to accept the Krauss Anderson Construction bid of 1594 tonight so I I would make that motion
I'll second all in favor I oppose passes 5 question that who oversees this project then Char Anderson well it would be our city
engineer can I just suggest that the the Public Works work side by side with him on this project to include Public Works on for up to speed on everything that's happening yeah I think that's been
standard practice on on most projects so yeah absolutely and I have a question Brian did city engineer prepare the bid specs for this yes somebody said okay yeah yeah
we're all we're all good Mike yep good thank you perfect uh let's do uh new business a request to switch credit debit card provid all right we have that in front of you Miranda prepared a memo um talking about the credit cards
nothing's changed since then she did put a recommendation for which credit because we will need a new credit card machine to read the credit and now actually one that has tap availability um also I was talking to her today and she was saying that it could possibly go
to be able to expand to the pool um so they could have a credit card machine out there and we can talk about that whole process at that point we've got a ways to go with that you know me I have I'm a control freak so I like things kind of to keep things kind of close so I know what's going on but um so we
would we would like you to consider for approval um approving us going to zift financial and to purchase the smart P2 Smart Pad or P2 Pro I believe the price difference
is$ 20 $20 so um and I'm not sure which one Miranda was more um in favor of but I figure with a $20 difference it's not Material what would be nice is to have
one provider with the three providers we play two service fees for the years as you can see of $89 and $95 a year um also we do not have capabilities to to take certain payments online because they're just undefined we have a
limited skew of things we can use for payments with PSN and Gila so um I think it we need to move with the times and keep our our payments up to date more and more people pay electronically um more and more people want to use their credit card they want
to pay online the whole point I believe is to be able to do more payment online we're trying to figure out out how to get dog licenses online how to get all those things done to make it easier for people people's schedule and convenient for them and they do pay a convenience fee
that the city doesn't pay it that all gets charged as a convenience fee on top of whatever their bill is so so if anyone was wishing to make a motion it it would be to um switch
credit card or switch our current credit debit card provider to zift and purchase the new payment terminal that that's what we're asking I would make that this is this works is recommended
by zi is that there okay I will second that motion discuss all in favor I oppos pass 5 uh 8 B new plow truck purchase Brian
yes at the last meeting you authorized the purchase of a new plow truck and uh grateful for that um but we forgot to add the uh taxes and fees onto that price that was approved um you had
approved a price of well whatever it was um 300,000 something uh 3,399 was the approved purchase price but with taxes and fees we're at 32,8
8863 we're just looking to uh reapproved it's the sales tax that it drives that I'll second and I would I do want to comment uh I know um Kevin's been working hard
with the street guys on the plow truck and I actually called Kevin to make sure and he was like this will do the city well with the brine stuff and stuff like that so and I just mentioned that as long as we start using it soon as we have the truck and not two three years down the road because there's a little
bit of setup for it to get that Grine which we'll expect an approval for spending money on a tank and a pump to be able to load the brine into the truck so sometime through the summer so I think it's going to benefit the safety of our town and our city to do that so I
did want it reach out to Kevin on that too great thank you so did we had a motion in a second any further discussions all in favor I oppose passes 500 z um let's do uh 8C resolution
20257 uh authorizing in interfund loan to fund the purchase of the new plow truck Kim um yes we we're looking into options for financing we have two basic options one is that we can go out to an outside lender and pay them interest um
um but looking at the fund balances again I feel that we have adequate fund balances that we could do an interfund loan and pay ourselves the interest we have to set it up as a loan um so I mean we always need to repay back what we we
say it will impact the the budget exactly the same way as we had set up with Ellers it's a few maybe a few hundred dollars less than what they had anticipated per year so a 10-year term at 3% and I'm suggesting we take it out of the sewer restricted fund and will be
paid back over 10 years beginning in 2026 do we have to take out do we have some cash on hand for the truck or are we borrowing for all of it we I I'm um suggesting we take out the entire amount for the equipment certific ific that we
had budgeted for the year because we were going to take out with the budget there is a $350,000 equipment certificate that we were taking out last year we had on the budget to take out a 200,000 but we were able to um fund that in a different way
we put part of it on the levy and then we took out um 200,000 excuse me $125,000 because we got LGA last year in a greater amount than we had anticipated so we did not have to take out that $200,000 loan but we did talk about
taking out the 350 so I would prefer since we have to set it up as a loan to take it all out at one time move that entire amount of money into the Capital Equipment fund and this is why the resolution says and additional Capital Equipment so it's for the truck but
really what this borrowing does is keep the Capital Equipment schedule solvent it's part of the part of the plan that was set forth in our Capital Financial Planning y makes sense any further discussions all in favor call a roll call oh yeah thank hi Joan
hi Kevin hi Fred I pass 500 Z God good uh let's do 8D concrete for water fill station Mike so we're getting set up and ready to get that water fill station put in on the cold storage
building um we've got the road put in with the crushed rock we just need to get that um cemented on the north side of that building that way we don't have any issues with the trucks pulling up there to load and get water because inevitably
they will overfill their trucks and they're going to have a lots of water R the and I guess we've talked about this water Fu station for some time but it's it'll pay for that concrete and it'll pay for a lot of things in a short
period of time because we lose a lot of water it's just it's just kind of the nature of the Beast we don't we don't got total control without a water fill station so that'll be a credit
card way for them to pay for water to have we in we I know we talked about the credit card our system there we have not got that hooked up or got a final approval on that oh and we're still waiting for zota
phone company to a certain degree they got fiber plowed out there but Jake's going to set that up so we can get that that that credit card and that fill station run running soon I believe we did have approval to
do the fill station I know we've had yeah we just need to get it the final done on it and I assume this concrete's going to be strong enough to handle these trucks with full water okay
perfect should be strong enough make that motion second any further discussions all in favor opposed passes 5 thanks Mike and just for your information that'll come
on the water fund uh a um Larry zelsdorf I don't know how many years he's worked for the city of zambro Mike do you know several two different times yeah but he is uh he has
put his oranization in as of August 15th um uh I know probably more to come but I know he''s done a lot of good stuff for the city of Zoda and uh I just want to thank thank him for his service for how many years twice and um he'll be missed but uh time to
enjoy retirement too so um I just want to know that he put his uh last day of August 15 and and we would like a motion in a second to accept the the retirement because what that does is create the
opening uh on on August 15 and that allows staff to uh go to work on um looking at the job description whether it needs to be changed um and also when to post and that type of stuff we we'll bring that back to you but we want to create the opening first by accepting
officially accepting his resignation notice you don't have to but I'll second that any further discussions all in favor I I oppose well I kind of do but passes
500 um and one other thing here uh 8f uh I think we talked about it a little bit um rescheduling our June 19th uh meeting um because it's juneth we can't have any public offices on that date I know we
talked to Eda so they're going to move their meeting and I'd like to move Council to June 18th same time same place just move it one day earlier and Eda is going to go to the 11th the week before so I just need a mo or a motion and a second to approve the council
meeting from the 19th to the 18th of June I'll make that motion second any further discussions all in favor oppose passes 5 z0 reports Brian you have none thanks no actually
with all this other stuff going on I didn't even put together a report but uh yeah we'll we'll catch up on reports next meeting perect Tony nothing from us bill you have anything dad nothing additional miles you got any reports the only report I have is that we are looking for a new Planning and
Zoning commissioner so if anyone's interested please contact CD Hall perfect thanks miles Kim nothing tonight thank you I have nothing Bob I have nothing Mike was pointing it Mike oh the M oh Mike do you have
anything Mike Clarity um just say that I'm listening carefully during the public comments and we'll work with the code committee to with some ideas parking ordinance I have some ideas and we'll we'll work with you on that to try to come up with something
but nothing else perfect thanks Mike sorry to forget about you okay Joan i' just like to just let everybody know I I appreciate like the community coming out and giving their input that was really wonderful to see
so Kevin just a question do we don't have any resolutions set for next week that we have to move or next time move off the 19th right we didn't set any hearings or anything all right then I have nothing to report