This conference will now be recorded. Good evening everyone. Good evening. Good evening. The way I talk tonight. Okay. No. What's the date today? July 7th. Right. Correct. Welcome to the July 7th, 2025 Zumbroa
Park Board meeting. We are in session and let's call to order. Few things on the agenda tonight. A little more than normal, a little less than normal. How are the last couple months?
A lot of accounts payables going out, it looks like. Mhm. So, we have a budget talk. Mhm. These are the minutes from last time. Yep. I think we got to approve the agenda
first. Yeah. I make a motion we approve the agenda. I'll second. All in favor? I opposed. Let's carry forward the minutes from June 2nd.
Did you get the signatures you needed for AP? Yeah. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from June 2nd of 2025. I'll second. All in favor? I opposed.
Motion carried again. That's June though, right? Um, yes, the month of June. Okay. This one with the XL phase 3 coming. Is that what PH3 means? Are you talking?
Where am I at here? On the back of this one. No, I was probably looking at June or May. It's like the month that was 31,000. Oh, yeah. That was on last month, I think.
Looks to be pretty straightforward. I'll make a motion to approve the accounts payable. I'll second. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carried. Thank you very much. Okay, we have public comment time available.
This is where we freestyle rap and Bob and I together cross our hands like this. Shoulders or anybody else could talk at this time. I'm good. Thanks. Okay,
there's no public here. Public. Okay, if we're good, we'll move on to It looks like the priority list went to number A. which would be 11. But uh thank you for doing that. Yeah, I just threw that on. The last time it
was uh in the minutes that I found was in August a year ago. So if we're going to talk about doing pickle ball signs, etc., then maybe we could add a new
Yeah. In my opinion, I think that should be the top of our priority list to do those pickle ball courts and do them right. That's my opinion. I think it'd be a huge asset to the park and the city with the amount of comments that we've been getting from the public. I agree.
Yeah, a lot of people are asking for them. No, it looks like there's a Z. We'll get there, right? Yeah. We're just talking about the priority list. What I brought up, the one in Pine Island is so impressive how they did that with the surface and the nets and
the hockey boards around it to keep the balls in and the, you know, places for people to sit and it's busy all the time that I've been over there. The other thing I'd like us to get Penny
up and done is the sign. Yeah, absolutely. I think we need to make a decision on that tonight. Okay. Um, the basketball court up on Highland's top part, is that part of the
list or is that just a maintenance thing we're looking at in the future? Is there one up there right now or are they requesting one? They're just talking about it, fundraising. The last the last I remember that it was we weren't sure if we should start putting them in specific
neighborhoods like that because then it would be like where do we stop? I think that's what I remember. But where do we stop? Yeah, let's go. Yeah, put one everywhere. You bet. But I we need to go back to our minutes and look at that because I think we voted on that that we
to put it up there. No, no, no, no, no. That we would to not that we were not going to support them using parkland for that. Okay. That's Yeah, that's because um we didn't want to get into the thing of who's going to maintain it once they put it in and who's going to do the work and is it quality work.
Oh, yeah. That's right. Because it was they wanted to do it themselves, right? We weren't going to do it for them. Yeah. So, we need to go back and look at our minutes on that. Agreed. Agreed. Ago, wasn't it? Or more or more. Yeah.
But was that communicated to them so that they know because if they are talking about fundraising still for it? I think Brian was going to reach back out to them because I think they initially had contacted him for that. Okay. I haven't that. And the person that was
asking about that, she's usually really good at following up and I have talked to her about other things and she hasn't mentioned it. Okay. So, I bet that he did follow up on that. The disc belt isn't on here for some reason, but it used to be. So,
yeah, we talked about that last meeting, Mike, as well. And yeah, we want to push to get that done. Because he's kind of Yeah. spearheading that. Okay. And then uh speaking of Troy
softball feels like a lights or field signboard. I mean the lights they've been crossed off. Okay. So maybe if you guys we're just we're just spitballing. If you want to add something we can remove it later
just to throw the idea onto the priority list. Yeah. That's in the making. and rebuild King's Kingdom. Kids Kingdom is crossed off. Yeah, I think we were that wasn't a priority because it wasn't needed at this time.
All right. I think was what you guys had decided. Yeah. Okay. Isn't there a specific account that we have that takes money that goes into it just for that? I think that you guys wanted to move that money though. Okay. Okay. So,
I don't I I can't say for sure if that account is still there. Okay. I'd have to check with Kim or Brian on that one. I think it's still there. I think it was like still set aside. There was some Were you guys asked or maybe you're not
contributing to it anymore? Yeah, I can't remember for sure. That was that was quite a few years ago. We talked about that. I think it's still reserved whatever budget sheet. It's hard to tell. Everything is coded
with numbers and that's for a reason I think. Okay, just to consider a couple things. Uh, East Park. Um, anything that you didn't like put on priority list on East Park.
Not that I can think of. It needs shingles. I think shingles. And then South Park, I want to add the plaque. That's that's not going to be a priority. So that's all I'm thinking
about with South Park. If you guys think about a bench there, like a quick trip, rest stop or not just quick trip, but all the companies there. Pit stop, rest stop, rest stop. Well, if you want a bench there, you
could reach out to the Lions Club and ask them for one like at East Park because I think there's one in my garage that needs to go somewhere that doesn't have a home, but I don't know. There was push back on the design of that earlier. So,
I think the tree replacement's all done, too, for the most part. Yeah. And the sign is up. the championship sign. Trestle bridge was repaired. Yeah. What did you want me to add to it? Was there anything we've said we wanted
to add to it to the priority list? Yeah. Um, we got pickle ball. Yep. That's right. That's what the entrance sign golf needs. Yep. East Park shingles. And that's all that we got so far.
So, in that piece of land up there on um Jefferson where they put the trees, you know, that newly created triangle. Yeah. Is that been sided or seated or believe that's seated? seated. Yeah.
Okay. Awesome. Can we name that park or is there future dog park? But like is there a figure that we could honor with the name? Oh, tree park. Tree park. Tree park.
Tree dog. Great ideas. Yeah, I think that's a lot of stuff already. Pretty aggressive already for a list. Big um big wish list there. And it's it keeps our eyes on the the dollars as we
talk budget and the the three years ahead or so that we could try to figure out not like the 10 12 that it's taken for the pool, right? The right capital plan things can follow
a schedule. my third third go around on the park board. We finally got it to the referendum. Took a while. Okay. I have a note from Kim as of August 30th last year. Kids
Kingdom was $7,793. I moved it from the general operating account to restricted last August. $7,800 about. Okay, that's locked away somewhere
somewhere. You guys happy with that talk? Yeah. Okay, I'm good. Thank you. Me, too. I appreciate that. Moving on to letter B, the pool update, which I believe is in Brian Gam's email tonight.
Yeah. And I'm sorry I don't have the email. So I hope that you guys read it. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Can I read it aloud? Yep. Sure. Absolutely. In his voice. I'll try it. Okay. Well, guys, this is Brian. Excuse me. We are on schedule for plans to be
complete in August. Bidding. Sorry. For plans to be complete in August, which is bidding in the beginning of September, construction start after that. I will ask Burbach to attend the August park board meeting to walk us through the plans. There may still be some structural plans to finish, but you will
be able to see all the important stuff. I believe he's talking about the blueprints themselves, right? Right. Okay. I would like to be able to go out to bid to demo the pool buildings and maybe the vessel as well. I spoke to our city attorney and we can split the demo
out and get three quotes for that work. thought is that showing progress before the covered bridge festival is important to hopefully generate more excitement and donations. Please consider making a motion and approving getting quotes for demo. I
would also like to see what a big version concept plan would cost. I think a large scale picture of the future pool with a projected opening of summer 2026 would also aid in the excitement. I would also note on the plan picture board that more
donations are needed. Awesome. Yeah, I think we should do the demo, you know, get the quotes for that. That's absolutely. But can we are we allowed to put a picture out with the projected opening and stuff? That
wouldn't be considered fundraising, would it? I'm just wondering if it'd be misconstrued. Great. Cuz I'm all for it. I think it's a great idea, but is it something that we
shouldn't be doing as the park board? I don't know. But could we approve the funds for the um fundraising committee to go forward with
that project and have it made? I don't see why not. That's Is that what he's asking? I No, I think he's just asking permission from you guys to go out and get those bids cuz you guys are still responsible for the money, right? The bids. Yeah, but the what he's
talking about is the the large scale picture. Is that something we as the park board can do or is that something that the fundraising committee needs to do? Because he said, "I would also like to see what a big version of the concept plan would cost." I think a large-scale
picture of the future pool with a projected opening of summer 2026 would also aid in the excitement. I think Yeah, I think he's asking for park board funds to do that rather than committee funds. Yep.
I think it's probably going to have to be two separate motions though. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I'll make a motion that we um get some quotes for the demolition of the old pool and um
surrounding buildings. And I will second that. All in favor? I I and opposed. Motion carry for getting quotes for demolition of the pool. Um, I got a question for three of you as
far as dollars for the pool. Um, and I know we're behind on the fundraising. Um, we've said that we'd bond for 3 million. Um, and then fund raise the rest and we're not to that point yet that we have all the fundraising. What What's
everyone's thoughts on this on where we can get those funds, how we're going to get them? I know Brian's come up with some ideas, but that's going back and taking more taxes from the constituents, which we weren't going to do. Correct.
So, I guess I'm just trying to get your views on what is the best way to proceed or how can we proceed or to to fund that gap. So, I don't want to make a comment on that until I've had that fundraising
committee here in front of us and we know what they've done. We've asked them to come and give a report and they have not. And so, I think we need to know what's happened before we can make plans going forward. Um,
yeah. And Bob, I don't think we should dip into pockets again. I don't think if at all possible, but I'd like to know exact like you just said, I'd like to know exactly where we stand before we start to make drastic plans if we have to.
But, you know, I honestly at this point I don't I know we're short, but I don't know how short, you know. Um, but yeah, I'd like to I think honestly I think a lot of people think that they
already paid and are paying through the referendum. So when we're sticking our hand out again saying we need some more again, they're going why? You're already I already paid. You know, and that's the comments that I've heard
in our own town that if we needed to fund for this, why didn't we just funded and and I've heard those comments too and they feel like we're double dipping now that we're taxing them and now we're asking them to open up their wallets.
Yep. And I my concern is just that this is what we asked on the referendum was to bond for three to fund raise the rest. And if we change from that I I don't think we can. I I don't think we can either. I think if we if we do it, we have to go back and start at the beginning then.
I don't know that for sure. I don't know what what the the legal ease is on all of that, but before we make any plans, we have to find out what has happened. I think legally and Okay. I think are you feeling like morally we shouldn't?
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how you could do it legally either because that's what was voted on. Yeah. And if there was like an up to something like we can do something up to I you'd have to you'd have to talk to
Brian about it for sure because I kind of heard it in passing how it could be done. Um and I'm not sure if he presented that to you guys yet at the work session or anything like that. A few things and I'm just I I don't know how that all works. It just seems Y
going the back door, which doesn't seem quite upfront. You'd have to have him go over the details cuz I I'm not too up on it. I just know that I've heard that. Well, it could be done, but do we want to do it that way?
I'd like to know, but aren't we going to hear from Burbach next month? Didn't it say I mean, aren't they that when we contracted with them, weren't they part of the solution? boy, it' be no problem raising this money and we've done it everywhere else. And what
have we heard from them? Crickets. I mean, I don't know because we haven't heard anything from the pun. Not a darn thing. So, I just don't want it to come back around and say, "What were you guys doing as a park board when this fell through your fingers because
the money didn't get raised?" I mean, we need to hear from Burbach. We need to hear from the fundraising committee, and they need to tell us where they're at. Yeah. Could we get them here on August? In August, the the committee. Yep. I'll tell I think Brian has been acting as the liaison for them, but I'll
tell him that we want more members here because technically Brian can't go out and fund raise either. No, but he's been listening in on their meetings. He can attend like listen in on them. Okay. What do you think? I was uh contemplating on the backing up
on what happens if everything just kind of falls apart. Um I believe we are you know how many tens of thousands into Burbach, right? So once we subtract that that's our penalty
and then we just kind of reverse on the voters and then return everything. I don't know how it works. So, but again, the the vote was like this pool cost 5.4, this design is 5.4,
and that's what we voted on as taxpayers. So, anything above that, it's out of the question. So, do we redesign the pool to be $3 million? Do we just go down just to get it done?
Yeah. Yeah. Or I've been hearing the word phase one, phase two, phase three, you know, and I'm like, it would be nice to have what phase we're in. It seems like we're in phase two of the blueprints and fundraising,
but phase one of the demo. So maybe in two years we can complete a phase two of construction, right? you know, with the money of the vote. And then the next phase of the pool, phase three, is another vote and
another design to carry on what we did, right? Yeah. And I think it'd be probably advantageous to know at least when Brian's here next on who has what swim lane. Okay. Because
I thought that we were part of the design of the pool. and all through the designs they went through and they got to a final and then it went to the committee who was part of the fundraising committee who came out with a new design which didn't make any
sense to me. So I think it'd be at least advantageous to me to say this is what you're responsible for, this is what you're responsible for. This is what you're responsible for. So everybody is on the same page and I'm not thinking that we had to do
something or we couldn't do something that we were told that was ours or our responsibility. I think that's great because now that we could we could set up like the hierarchy then. Correct. The park board oversees the committee conversates fundraises.
Burbach manages the project. Correct. Right. like then we can have that piece to piece to all these other Yeah. then we'll have regular updates to know what's going on and if they can't be at the meeting send us an email recap or something so we have the information
just to know where it stands quickly. Okay. Um the uh other part to that that I wanted to mention was um management communication and then I said uh oversee
I lost my train of thought. It's okay. Yeah. Um, oh, that's where the end result is that the voter wants us, the vote, you know, wants us to
do a pool, right? So, if we're overseeing this project as a park board, our responsibility is to do a pool because the vote said so. So, they didn't say, "Hey, parkboard, design it, manage it." They said, "Do a pool." Right? So, we can we can get our feet uh
we can get our hands dirty and be like, "All right, we're going to do this kind of project with what we got for the boat." Yeah. And that's kind of I'm really shouting uh stuff I don't know about. So, be careful with what my opinion is.
Might be stepping on some toes by saying that. Okay. Well, sometimes that's not a bad thing. We need to have the information and we're not getting it. That's the bottom line. A great question. Yeah. And we can't make informed
decisions if we don't have all of the information. Did you hear anything that you would respond to? I'm sorry. What? Did you hear anything in our conversation that you'd want to respond to? Um, no. I just I like where you're going
with it and you just want to think it through and get all the information and I know we can't do a lot until we get the final plans from Burbach. We can't even do much till we actually know what the cost is going to be when we actually put it out for bits. I'm just trying to think forward on and
I hate to be a naysayer but the fundraising has been slow. Um, but I'm just trying to say it not that we have to pull the plug, but when do you pull the plug when you say we're going to stop spending money on it if we're not going to be able to do it?
So, I'm just trying to be forward thinking. So, I I was looking for your answers and I appreciate what you gave. So, question. It is a good question. And the the thing that I think about is even if we don't build a pool, we have to get rid of what's out there because it's a danger.
Yes. So even if we don't go forward with the pool, we still have to demo and clean it up. So I think it'll be important to have BBOT here next month be able to to say this is how much money we have so far. What could we get with that? So if
there needed to be some, you know, budgeting changes and they could answer that. Okay. We will have a very productive August meeting. I think so too. And this is the year where it's supposed
to be all messed up and then next year it gets built. So y messed up this year. That poster board goes, are you guys interested in pursuing something like that or do you want to wait on it? um if he wants to bring us
some data on what the cost of said poster board would be would be good. Yep. And would you agree with his mention of a what was that high view or the the long shot view he was asking for? Brian
Gudum. Oh, that how did he that again? I can look it up. We can do a motion for that. I don't see any reason why not to. If it costs hundreds of dollars of
design, say up to I don't know what would something like that cost ballparkish. Seen $300 in engineering design fees. I've seen like zero as like a Yeah, just
a a design sketch. You forward that email to me so I have some of his wording. Yeah, I'll do it right now. Cool. Thank you. Are you talking about the big version concept plan, right? So, like we had that as a $8 million
pool something. Hey, my wife mentioned like what if we just build the splash pad this year, like a phase 0.5, and just get a splash pad going for the kids. Remember the splash pad that was like a million dollars? Over a million dollars.
Oh, I think we were talking if the pool was having like a delay for years and years, like just get a splash pad going. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Just threw that out there. Cuz with the the pool that they had presented to us, the splash pad area would be the zero entry area into the
pool. Correct. So, if you we did a splash pad now, it would be a separate splash pad with no zero entry or whatever. It Yeah, it would just be a standalone. I think the the issue was then then it would have its own mechanics and
equipment which would be more money mechanic rooms. Yeah. Yep. That was part of the design at one time is having it wasn't part of the design. It was part of the discussion. Discussion. Yep. Cuz we've thought about it's been talked
about here, you know, why don't we put a splash pad now and then down the road. So there was pros and cons to that. And I mean that's not that's not saying that if you know all of this, you know, whatever happens with it, it couldn't be revisited.
I mean you guys can do whatever you whatever you'd like to. You talk about whatever you want. So I guess this big version concept plan in my mind it would be just something bigger than what he's got sitting out there. Correct. That's kind of what I think he's seeing. So just a bigger picture board of that
that something. No, I'm sure. I think that's what he means. I'm sorry. And I think like the final design like I think that's, you know, just kind of a So if we get a final design that we can go for, then yeah, we could do a new
picture board. Yep. But I don't just want to recreate that in a bigger version if it's not going to be what we're headed for. Fair. Yep. I think he should get an estimate and tell us exactly what he's thinking next
meeting. summertime. I think we need to do everything we can do though to make this pool happen because it's people want it. They want it and it's been way too long. It's been
We need to get this done. We can't let it slip through our fingers. Yep. I know there's still some opened fundraising discussions with some different places, right? Um I I'm just guessing, but I I want to
say that it's like a $700,000 gap right now. I think that was the last number I'd seen too. Some right there. So, I'm not I'm not saying that the the ones that are still out there are going to fill the gap, but I I'm kind of hopeful that
there's still some some the ones that are open to me potentially have the potential to be big, but you never know. You never know. Yep. Yep. I mean, we're obviously grateful for anything that anybody can provide. So,
Are you satisfied, Mr. Priy? I'm sorry. I'm just joking with you tonight so much. You want to move on to the pickle board? Pickle ball. Pickle board. Pickle ball. Pickle ball court updates and move on from this pool discussion.
This is what you guys requested last meeting from City of Pine Island. That's kind of what you've been using as a kind of a target picture. Yeah. So, this is a oh basically what they what they spent or what you're looking at what they got.
And I think their slab is Yeah. It says at top there 60 by 160. I think we're 60 by 180 I believe. But uh I think is there's all pickle ball and I mean we have some basketball so maybe you wouldn't um coat the whole thing.
I think theirs is all pickle ball. Yeah. In Pine Island it's all pickle ball but here obviously we got that court right on the end. But even if dynamics area yeah even if we lost those courts down here I wouldn't be opposed to that because there's courts right across the street over there
popular too. Yeah. So, I mean, if we needed that space to get everything in, you know, I I wouldn't be opposed to that at all. It looks like I total their project totaled around 147,000
give or take in 2023. I believe all of those were from 2023. All of their estimates. That was the hockey arena and Yep. I the fencing. Yep. I added together because they had the package that they chose was 106
roughly 107,000 and then they upgraded their fencing for $6,300 plus the painting came to $34,000. So give or take 147,000 for the total
cuz it looks like there's some allocart options on there too that they that you could choose from different options. They must be doing something right over there because they're putting in a massive slide for their pool, too. It was like a lot of money.
What's the trick? How's their parkboard get away with that? We should uh combine a meeting one night. Exactly. Visit them. Taxes are higher. Their taxes are higher and they're selling later. That is true. They structure their stuff
a little bit differently than we do over here. Y Do you have any insight on their parkboard structure? Not on their parkboard structure. I just know that they instead of using tax dollars to improve roads, they assess everybody. So they don't have road
improvement costs in their budget. That would help some. So that changes it big time. Do you know if they had to do this like this coding stuff all in one shot? Is that like the Well, obviously it's one
of the biggest cost, but I I'm just curious if we could do It probably wouldn't stick correctly, but try to do stuff in phases so we wouldn't have to eat 50 in one shot. Yeah. Your coding was
was that the 34,000 that Yeah. So the 106,000 was just the stuff shot for sure. Yeah. 106 was your uh that was your ice skating rink. That's your walls and Yeah. Just the the not the surface.
So yeah, I think you're probably I mean I don't know if you could phase that painting. I doubt that contractor is going to want to. I wouldn't want to myself because it wouldn't then I wonder if you could phase it where you just bought like the walls and the fencing and painted it a different
year. Correct. That would that would break it up a little bit. So this is combining their quote was combining the hockey rink and the pickle ball. Yes. cuz that was what you guys were
looking to do is have the the wall be a permanent fixture um and not something that gets taken down every winter. The two ends uh being in the flood plane would same as theirs would have to I think we discussed would have to open. Yeah. Which they which their design is too or
whatever. Yep. Looks really nice. It's really nice. I have no idea how much money we have to spend right now as a park board. Okay. I expected that. Um,
this is kind of old data, but I I could obtain the account balances pretty quickly here. Um, it would come out of some odd $222,000 last year.
Uh, this is old data. This is probably bad, but provide us number for next month. Yeah, that'd be great. Just I don't think we've spent 300 grand in the past six months. Do you guys feel
like we have? No. AP is on average 10 grand for this year and any projects that we bought. I guess uh it comes out as payable. So
300 was your last ledger or your last balance. Last balance. And that's just the 225 226 which is the maintenance funds. Then the pool has a different balance going on. Did you guys know that the pool uh has a a fund? It's 200k is open
knowledge, right? Yeah. So we put that into the fundraising. Correct. That would leave 121k still in the the restricted pool fund to do some kind of pool building or demo. And uh then there's another fund with
130 pool operating fund. So we could drain that until the pool's built to do stuff because we don't have to operate it. Uh just to summarize, $260,000 of pool
money is sitting there un unrestricted, so to speak. Yeah. I don't I don't know necessarily move that to park. We can't touch that stuff. Yep. You'd have to do just pool stuff with that. Yeah. Just for pool building like that little thing. I think he was just
saying FYI. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. There's money in that fund for sure. Thank you for clarifying. Yep. Sorry. As I stutter over what I I'm trying to say. So, there is an account there with
a fairly significant balance that would probably cover and I believe that fund is still set up to receive the money as if the pool were still operational. I don't think that we've gotten rid of that. No.
So, I mean, you're still That's like 70k a year going into it. That sounds about Yeah. And that's split off the two payments, I think. Yes. Okay. Interesting. Um, if I would speak for Kim is
accounting still, right? Um, if I had speak in Kim's kind of tone, she would say, "Hey, watch yourself." You know, don't blow 100k on a project when you got all this other stuff looking ahead. Um, stuff to maintain, stuff to repair.
Um, she'd say be careful. I want to know how much exactly that we have to spend. I'll have her sent her an email already. She'll be she should be in tomorrow. I'll have her get that number together and then I'll
send that out to all of you guys so you have that to think about for next month. So, I'll send it out before the next meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Especially with the campground or whatever at the 240 allocated there. I'm not sure how much of that is if some of that is that grant money got
put in there and whatot. So, just have some ongoing projects yet to where we are with the ongoing projects and when are we going to be done with the ones that are ongoing? So, then we can kind of zero all of that out and then
get our feet underneath us. Yeah, definitely. Is Mr. Olsen forwarding emails to Mr. Myers? Yes, I get them through his officer. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Beautiful pickle ball design.
They're gorgeous. I mean, just think about that right over there. So awesome. Actually didn't even realize that that was the photo of them. Oh yeah. I was thinking that was like big city up in the cities. I'm like, "Oh man, that would be a dream." And I'm like, "Wait, that's how many we have out there?"
Would we have four out there, too? Then we could put four. Yeah, we got the space. We have three. Three. One with a net, two without nets. Yeah, the nets. The nets are a little sad looking. Can we please
ones with the wheels? Can we please bypass convention and paint that maroon and white and not blue and green? We can paint it any color we want. We could paint it in cougar colors, too. Great.
Well, that's pickle ball regulation. Is that pickle ball regulation blue and green? It seems like it. It's everywhere. Couple people like grass kind of. So, it is. So, you know, it's got that blue and gray silver. So, that kind of is the school colors there.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure you could do whatever your heart's desire. Exactly. I will entertain. Moving on to a status update on Frisbee golf tea boxes. Are you referring back to the email? I wonder.
Yeah, I don't I don't have anything. I don't know if they're even in the I think we were kind of waiting to talk to Troy. There's nothing in the email about him. No. So, I don't think we have any updates. It's just he talks the next in
his email is the budget and then hand dryers for the bathroom and the sign and the sign. Y we can we can table that until Troy's here if you'd like. Sure. Mhm. Okay, let's table that.
Robert's rules of meetings table something something. I know I read it somewhere. Covered bridge park entrance sign. Got to keep it keep it length. Okay. I know this is ultimately up to
you guys, but I love this sign. I do, too. Welcome. I just I think it is so unique. Mhm. Would you have in the walkway an open window? That's what I was thinking, but I think the initial
thought behind it was that there would be some kind of a map on the back. And so I don't know how like as didn't it have like information type of stuff? Yeah, I'm not sure how well utilized it
is. Right. So, but that's exactly what I was thinking too was to have all of the windows in the back be open as if you were walking through it. But I don't know how tall that would be. Like if you could do that and still have a map
there, right? But I just think this is so cool. I think it's fresh and updated yet still traditional, I guess you could say, cuz it's because even if it is open like that and
then you stand from behind, you still have that like area where it says all the way from the park up where you could have a map behind it. Right. Right. So I Yeah. I just don't know how high that would sit.
if it would, you know, be out of reach for too many to see or, you know, if it's large enough, it maybe would be pretty easy to see. I think it'd be cool. I think it's really cool. I don't see any line for like electric LED lights or anything. Would that just
be implemented through some other service? I don't think there was. There's already a light that shines on it now. There's ground light that shines. Ground lights. Yeah. So I think it would just stay that unless you had there might be a small there might be
trying to remember on the back side of that one that information board on the back. I think there might be like a reading light on there maybe right a picture is I mean there is power there. Yeah. Okay. You can just tap into that. Yep. So
this invoice that's over here is this 3,000 the cost to do this. Yeah. So that would be the for the sign portion of it and then the backwoods metal would be.
Okay. So the total would be 297512 plus 3045. Yeah, it'd be just over 6,000. $6,1220. Crazy expensive.
Nothing cheap anymore. Ain't nothing cheap and has to stand the test of time. I think it's aluminum to be honest with you. I think he's cutting he'll cut it on his plasma aluminum or his water jet.
Are we using the existing brick? Yes. Yes. It's CNC aluminum. Can you reorder brick? Yes. Because there's mortar coming off of that. Yep. You can reorder it and you can put the wicking in.
It could use a faceelift for sure. Yeah. Lifetime guarantee. Do you think he'll throw that in? No, he won't throw that in. Yeah, I'm going to guess. I can tell you that right now. Yeah, I'm going to guess probably not. But he does have very quality product.
And that would be the one thing that I would there when they start working on it, if they we find out that the brick work needs to be redone or touched up, then that could put us up with another cost to the project. We just have to think about
that. Yeah, it's nice. I make a motion that we approve the sign and the payment of the invoices for the sign work and the metal work. And I'll second it.
All in favor? I opposed. Here comes the new sign. I think it's Paul, right? P and K. Yes. if you are in contact or anybody um under our gratitude.
Yeah, very nice. And he's always very quick with our stuff, too. I don't know if you guys have been down into the campground lately, but he got that new sign. He got that done. And so, the guys got that up and been meaning to drive down there to make sure that my
numbers are sticking. I had him do it special so it it was magnetic so I could just switch it out. Oh, switch it out. Yeah. Awesome. want to see how those are holding out. But yeah, he did. He works quickly and he he's easy to work with. So, I really appreciate him.
I have to talk to him about some nature signs. I recommend him to anybody. He's the one I need to talk to about our tea signs, too. T- signs. Because this 3M laminate, like you can
make a metal edge sign or you can get this like UV protected laminate stuff and the ceramic coating probably is the way to go. Okay, budget. Okay, budget. Are we just supposed to be looking and
seeing where we got our increases or what's the Yeah, we presented this last month as well. I don't as far as I know, I don't believe there was any um questions or anything submitted to Kim.
So, thi this is exactly the same as it was last month. Okay. Um, it doesn't need to be approved at this meeting, but I just want to keep it on there to Understood. Yeah. To keep it in your guys' minds and still know that if you have questions,
you can definitely shoot them over to Kim or any of us really and we can get them to Kim. Okay. Yeah. So, I believe Brian said we could even wait until the September meeting to get it approved. So, we still have some time for questions.
Here, too. Maybe we'll get for sure. Maybe Troy and hopefully Kayla, too. Yes, exactly. Cool stuff is is that it's pretty transparent. Um, some things track down with the account numbers. They're hard to really sip through. Um, there doesn't
seem to be a pattern that I'm finding yet in the accounting in not the accounting, but in the ups and downs and outliers. Um, what's problematic is that we need an activity such as dis golf te's with a
ledger underneath it. And then what I would expect is that these account numbers are going to be in that ledger. Maybe we don't have to pay attention to those. It's a city payment kind of plan. But uh the activity ledger
would help us see like how much we're spending on the activity, how much is left to spend, how much we need to budget for or before all that, what it would cost up front and if we have it, right? That is what I'm trying to compile at
home, right? And get a display a presentation or something. So, I'm just running into not a pattern, not a spreadsheet that I can in a chart that I can show you year after year. Just um numbers, payment, payment, payment, right?
Probably book some time with Kim, you know, for sure. Just say, "Can I come in and talk to you for an hour?" And say, "I got a list of questions that I want to ask you for some specifics." And I'm sure she'd be glad to let you bend her ear for an hour. Those
are almost Kim's words that I just said. Yeah, that was her idea. That activity ledgers. Yeah, she's condensing all the other ones or I think I mean you guys at the council meeting got a taste of that, too. Instead of
this, she's I don't know if she's gone that far yet, but she's condensed them down to a lot more visible, easier to read color coding. Yeah. Color coded understand, you know. Yeah. Making it a little more user friendly. Excellent. for those that don't look at
it every day like her. Excellent. So, by September at the latest, we should be prepared to make some wise numbers and you can you can straight up say, "Hey, I want
camping fee budget to be this much and we'll cross it off and then we'll put a number down." Y I've seen that done. What am I saying? You guys have been on this board for years and years and years. Guys want to talk about hand dryers.
It looks like we're in a accelerating We're looking at hand dryers because our towel purchase cost is $1,100 a year, right? Correct. Yeah, we're looking at six. We do uh two in the trail head,
two in the kids kingdom bathroom, and then and then the new campground bathroom would also be equipped with them. The estimates you see in front of you are they're the only difference between them is it's um you have a two-year limited warranty hand dryer on
the one set and you have a seven-year on the other I believe is the difference in your pricing there. So, it's all it's this um six hand dryers just three locations. Six hand dryers just two different models of hand dryers.
I think he said the if I'm remembering what Brian said, I think he said he's put in a lot of the ones that are on the higher one and he is not familiar with the the lower budgeted ones.
We're not as familiar. Is the trail head part of the trail system? Um, I'm sorry. Say that again. Is the trail head part of the trail system? Yes, it is. And the park board is not
responsible for correct. So that that portion of the bill would not be your guys's responsibility. So yeah, that would cut it down quite a bit for you guys. So we can't then make a decision about the trail head.
True. So, who makes a decision about the trail head? That would be council. So, if we go ahead and say we're going to put the more expensive ones in ours, then will city council follow the lead and put the same in
possibly. I was leaning sense to me. You got a sevenyear and it's a five and a half year payback. That Yeah, that's pretty good. standpoint or whatever, we do a lot of cleaning up with towels in there on the
weekends and stuff. There's it's there's a there's a lot of And so then what I would like to see happen that if we're going to go ahead and put these hand dryers in then we take the towels out so that people don't have a choice. Correct. Right. Okay.
That's great information. Thanks for saying that. That the towel. Yes. Yeah. For some reason, the general public loves to make a mess with those. Oh, yeah. Is there an air dryer for the toilet
paper? Yeah, it's called a bet. It is called a bet. And I will not be participating in a public restroom with a bet. It's five years. So then our portion
we have two one. No, there's it be four us, right? Yeah, it be four for us. And this 5,000 number is all of the six together. So, we'd have to divide that by six and multiply by four, whatever.
Yeah, a little separate differently because of uh wiring and difficulty. He walked each site or whatever. shows all the accessibility to his how much conduit he had to run and this and that. So, so we could make the the motion that we will pay for the two for Kids Kingdom
and the two for the campground and then we don't have to state a dollar amount, right? Is that an okay way to do it? Yeah, we could. Yep. Yep. Because I mean the breakdown here or Yeah. Yeah, you can approve it and I will I can as long
as you guys are if you state that the individual amounts are okay, I can go through add those up and put it into the minutes and say that that's the amount that you guys have approved. Uh any other quotes that we should get
like a a three quote system or is there any conflicts of interest? You guys want an extra quote from another company or has that already passed by? I don't think we would need to. Exchange is who we I mean as a city is
who we use for public works and stuff. Okay. Contactually. Uh that's just we've kind of always since I've been here, we've always had a go-to person. That's So, are we comfortable with the seven-year warranty ones or do we want
to go with the two-year? I think we go with the seven. Absolutely. All right. All right. I will make a motion that the park board will um pay for the two for the kids kingdom and the two
for the campground of the 7-year limited warranty option. as presented by Shane Electric. We're going to put that on our council agenda. You don't get to see that again.
Do I hear a second? I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I. and opposed and the motion carries. Thanks for organizing that. Did you organize that?
Did we have any updates for the bath houses or the bathrooms? Yes. Um I do have kind of where we're at on that. Uh I did talk with the uh plumber. Um and as I spoke with him or
whatever that we were back filling and the block had been laid up to grade and the back line is getting done. and then he ended up resubmitting the uh rough and plumbing permit to the state of Minnesota. So, we are in limbo there moving forward. So, that's kind of where
the plumbing's at at this point. I did contact him today and he was supposed to reach back out to me with information when he called the state, but I haven't heard back from him yet today. I'll reach back out to him tomorrow again. Um just roughly working off your um 240,000
as of right now you're at 153,309 roughly left to spend. And for the outstanding quotes that I actually have in the office or whatever, which would give you basically your brick and mortar building, plumbing, electrical, steel
work, stuff like that, and you know, nothing outside yet. Um when you're done with that, you would basically be at about 72,641 left to spend. And just uh looking, you know, from stuff I
haven't seen or whatever, I mean, you're going to have seed and landscape costs. I don't think I haven't seen anything on like bathroom dividers or there I see there were shower benches drawn in, stuff like that. Uh the soap and toiletry dispensers and things like that. Um, then we'll still need a trail
connection to meet ADA. Um, and I think that would involve at least three sides of that building in order to get to the showers and then the front bathrooms. And then three sides would have to have sidewalks on them too yet. So, we'd have some exterior concrete and I believe we still have to make a
road from the lower road of the campground up to the uh through the new campsite. I think I believe to to connect to the top. So that would have to be done. And then uh any I was just painting if there was going to be any of the because
that'll be all CMU block, you know, or whatever. So if there's going to be a different color on the outside or anything like that. Those are just some things I could think of that might still be outliers out there or whatever to for expenses. And also I do have some requests for which have been out there.
I didn't get them in the agenda packet, but for the road that goes into the campground um is basically inverted. it is no longer crowned. So they and I think that was kind of on the agenda after we got all the grading done um and seat it was to add the rock that we
needed to. There's a culvert to fix add the rock we needed to and then um the some city staff would like to see the um which we could self-perform. would like to see the grass area of the ball go away and be all rock and kind of in that and turn it in more of a
culde-sac because they're kind of using it now that we're getting bigger campers up above. They're kind of just rutting through it anyways. So, we would sub that out and add rock to that and kind of make it more of a turnaround. A little more feasible for the larger campers and stuff like that. But I do
have some quotes on that for the rocking or whatever. So to grade the existing campground road and then add 5 in of rock to put it back to a crown um which shoe markers distance from shoe markers would be 5500 bucks.
um the cut out the green space and um add eight inches of class 5 back there in that green space area was 2400. But we can selfperform that um city staff and then to on the way in to remove that existing culvert and then raise up the low spot in the road by where the uh
kind of where the new below the new bathroom and to bring that in level and get it to get both sides of that road to drain would be uh 3,000. So basically 8,500 if you wanted to move forward with the that. I know we got some puddling issues by the trash cans if you've been
back there lately or whatever. People are actually driving around the the puddle and actually cutting into the new grass areas towards the campsites. So I mean it is a it is an issue.
So you said take away green space and turn it into rock. I don't know if you've been back. There's when you get past all the new campsites on the right if you're driving to the back. Yeah. In the middle of that circle turnaround, there's just a a teardrop of grass in the middle. Yep.
And what we do is sub that out and put all that rock. So that So basically at this point now with the bigger vehicles, people are cutting that and just turning it into mud anyways. So it's not a significant loss of green space. Nope. Basically it's it's just an island of green inside that in that turnaround
at the end. Yeah. Okay. An island of green sounds nice though, right? Yes. Yeah. So, are we coming out better or worse than what we thought? Well, before um and I do apologize for I
was working off just the grant numbers is what I was given was the 120 basically or just shy of that. So actually you're you what looked to be approved or um from the from what Mike had sent out or whatever was it 240 I think was approved in 2024
I think so. So yeah, basically like I said, by the time you have a from what I'm looking at, just kind of ballparking, you're looking at around 72 73,000 um after you have a brick and mortar building, plumbing, electrical, um born triggers are done with the roof and stuff like that. Then we'd still
have the exterior concrete, the trail connections, some road work, but I mean I think a fair amount plenty of money to finish up this the things that need to be done. Ryan said that it was approved for 350. Yep. And I think I think the original
one was like 340 350 and that's what got sent in for the grant for the grant. Okay. I think that you know and then I and then I've also seen that that 240 was approved in 24. Okay. So I mean I ultimately it's your guys'
account but I so working off that 240. I took the lower number and you're like you say you got you'll have a building with nothing done on the outside yet for y roughly 73 is what I'm seeing with remaining of that 240. So I do have a question um in the
bathroom itself did we put changing tables for in for babies? I like that stuff I have not seen any quotes whatsoever on that thing. So that's stuff that we'll have to um we need to remember to talk about that. Yep. Because at this Yep.
just not say anything more. The work out there looks awesome. It looks really, really nice. Cuz I know in the plan, I've seen there's like benches in the shower area before you get in and stuff like so there's going to be some incidentals
like that that are going to come up that need to be addressed. But y but yeah, at this point I'm just hoping we can get rough in in and then Carl can get back and get lamb block again. timeline. As soon as I get a he gets a permit back
from the state, he's he'll be roughing in plumbing and perfect. And then everybody else is basically waiting. So that's one profit, not two, right? Because of one grant. I believe it all fell together. Yeah, because of the grant proposal. I
think the bath house was included with the campground, right? Yeah. Um, I think we sent in sorry the higher number and then it came back and then went in for like 240 then the grant and then they did must almost been like almost like a cost
share or something at that point or 5050 or something or but yeah because that's the way it's working out about 120 or whatever. So and I my final thought is with 72 grand left over that grant was a match. Do we have to spend that on the campground and
do something with it? I know there's there's there's places there's I got a list of stuff they I know they want to make some more gravel pads like they did for the upper ones down below. I mean there's there is places in that campground that I mean if if we start getting closer on that bath house I think it could be
I could buy a lot of flowers. Well, and when you start doing the interior work of it, then that's going to cost some. It will. Yep. And you got concrete and you got some uh you got a little distance there to go with the the road to the top and a trail back, you know, to the black top. Whether you do concrete there or black
top at that point back to the black top. Yep. But I do want to put a shout out to the city staff or whatever they did. Uh a bunch of that money is 30 like almost 34,000 was performed by the city staff and equipment. So off of shoe markers
bill for back fill you know everything and all the work they did there whatever laying the pipe and stuff like that. So yeah it looks awesome. That's great information. Yeah thank you for sharing that and teaching us and enlightening us.
We need to know that. So these projects that you mentioned with inverted road and the culde-sac and all that stuff is that need to be done now. It it would be nice if we could. They are circling around and starting to cut into you know with the puddles we got
and stuff like that. It you know it would be nice. I know there was also talk of uh chloriding that road too once it was regraded with the rock added to it. So I don't have that cost. I don't Yeah. Pretty incidental I think compared to So, is that something that we have to vote on or can you just go ahead and do
it? I, you know, I think you probably should. You know, if you want me to move forward with this quote or whatever with Schumachers, I could I think so. Get it done. Yep. I'll make a motion to go forward with the the road work back there
and a second. I'll second. I'll All in favor? I opposed. I'm sorry. Okay. You You got your chance there. Okay. and opposed. Motion carried. Okay. Anything else, Miranda, that we forgot?
Um, no. It looks like roughly about 2,200 bucks will come off here from that trail head. That looked like to be actually the most expensive install was the trail head anyway. So, I was going to tell you by adding it up, it'd be $3,647.24.
Perfect. And the Park Road work was going to cost $8,500. Yes. Is that what we're approving? Okay. August 8th. I just don't want it to get to be September and then we try to get
Schumacher to do it and they're busy. Right. That road's been like that for a long time. Yeah, it was discussed once the construction work was done and we were growing grass again, we'd get it back to fighting shape again or whatever. So, yep. Perfect.
And the more we break it down the more cost. I know we have to get 8,500. I'm sure it's not equal to 8,500. Is it not to exceed that? Um I will I mean that one that I cut out the self um that will
selfperform was 2400 but we will have a little bit of rock in there. Okay. So it it might exceed that 8,500 a little bit just and a couple loads of gravel. Okay. Yeah. The hard cost of shockers was 85. Okay. I think
all my stuff here lot to talk about. Let's look at Brian's email one more time. I think I'm good. Okay. We just have to address the budget at either the next or September, right?
Yes. Okay. And next month we're going to have Burbach and a report from the pool committee. Hopefully. Okay. I make a motion we adjourn. I'll second. All
in favor? I and opposed. Thank you for this meeting. It was very productive and I look forward to the next one.