This conference will now be recorded. >> Nice. >> EDA >> planning. >> Nice. >> Sounds fun. >> We'll be in the president tonight. Then I can veto all of those. So we'll go ahead and call the meeting
to order for December 1st. some vot board. >> Looking for a motion to approve the agenda. >> I was going to say we don't have any additions. >> I have an addition just schedule. We're just going to have a quick little discussion in the fee schedule. >> So, under new business,
>> new business C. Yep. >> And then 8B was also an addition, the Greater Minnesota Parks and Trails annual membership renewal. That was an uh new since I passed it out to you guys. Y >> All right. I'll make a motion to approve
the agenda with the two additions. >> I'll second. >> Have a motion. A second. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Passed. >> And next there's two minutes. There's one from the last regular meeting on October 6th and then there was a special
meeting on November 13th. So if we could motion those separately. Nothing really new on any of those items that I have any questions about. >> I think it looks pretty good. >> I'll make a motion to approve the park
board minutes stated Monday, October 6th. >> I will second. >> I have a motion and a second. All approved. I I opposed. Okay. I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve the special session dated November 13th.
>> I'll second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Carried. accounts payable >> and then same goes for that I separated those for October and November
>> just on top of it Miranda we appreciate that >> two of >> they're both appreciate it more if you and Kim could get together and get a larger font but >> me not bringing my cheater is not your
problem. I have an extra pair back there. >> I think there is a way now that we can adjust the the font. So, I'll >> Yeah, I'd be in trouble without my glasses. >> It's fine now. The lights are up and not flickering and I can hold it in arms. It's okay. This will start here. So, I
should have jinxed it. >> Oh, goodness. I'll ask a question. Look at Elon Financial >> the description. >> Yeah. Troy, that looks like it.
>> Someone shifted their hand and then typed, >> "Oh, >> code words." I do have to look into the cover sign too for the back metals portion of it.
That was his quote was 297500. >> Oh, fine by me. I'm going to touch base with that. >> We really didn't add anything. We didn't do anything in the back yet. So, >> you still look pretty much
him for his numbers a little bit. >> I think he had a crane and you know the set and everything was figured in originally. >> Sure. >> Are you looking at separate motions on those? >> Yes.
>> We can't do them together. >> Sure, >> they are. together in the >> That was very convincing. >> She If looks could kill, I'd be dead on the floor. >> Total the two out then and give me
>> I got to add >> Oh, man. That's math, man. >> Exactly. >> We're not in the math department. My brain stops functioning after 3 p.m. So I don't know that that's a good >> I don't think you've ever stated the total when doing a
>> motion to approve the >> I always put it >> accounts payable. We just say yes it's okay to pay >> bill. >> So it's $39,551.70. >> Okay. I'll make a motion. I'll >> I'll make a motion to approve accounts
payable in the total that Miranda said because I don't remember what it was. >> But but with the note that Jeff is going to check on backwards bill. >> Yes. >> And I'll second that. >> A motion and a second. All in favor? >> I opposed.
Carried. No public comment. Unfinished business. pool update. >> Yeah, that was on there last month and I think everybody kind of knows or at least those that were at the meeting. Um, but basically they're going to rebid
early January. They acknowledge they overd designed a few items that they're going to tone back a little bit and then we're going to go with a a whole year of construction with opening um 2027,
spring 2027 and hope the bids come back where they where we need them. They're confident again confident again that they will come in where they where they need to be. um had a good fundraising effort again. Uh BFW
went above and beyond as they have several times for us and I worry about 13,000 give or take. >> Yeah, I was going to say >> somewhere between 115 and 13,000 raised. Uh the VFW gave us the check for 10,000
right away. Um not even knowing if they were going to cover their cost. Uh so we appreciated that. And then um there were a little bit. It was a buck pale for donations that had like 36 bucks in it. U but yeah, I think it was a good night.
I think silent auction raised about 1,500. Actually, it's going up because there was a lady there that bid on a bunch of plates and she said, "Oh my gosh, I I finally I got a hold of her. She actually um used to work with my
cousin." And so anyway, I talked to her and and she said, 'Oh my gosh, I was just putting bids down just to get people to start bidding. I said, 'Well, you got like nine of the plates. She said, ' Okay, uh, how much?' And I said, 250 bucks. All right, can I send a check? Sure. Can I have my daughter's
boyfriend stop and get the plates? Yeah. And she hung up and I great. Then she called right back. She said, you know what? I don't even want the plates. I'll just send you $250. Okay. And she said, "You can use the plates again in a different silent auction." Um, so I said, "All right,
we'll tell you what." She's Lakewood Reality or Lake >> Lakeshore, >> Lake Shore, >> Lake Shore Reality out of Lake City. And I said, "Oh, tell you what, we'll publish that a $250 donation from Lakeshore." >> And then I talked to my cousin who used to work for her, but my cousin has her
own reality. And I said, "Oh yeah, she's gonna donate 250 bucks as a donation. She didn't want the place." Well, I should I should do it too then. >> So, Jony's gonna send another 250 bucks with her company name. So, >> so could you tell all of the companies
250 bucks trying to get the plates the money for the plates? >> Yeah. No, that's awesome. >> Now we have the plates and 500 bucks. >> Total >> 11 and change. It was 115
with but Kim said she saw 13,000 out there. But >> yeah, >> 115 is what? >> Okay. >> But like I say, now it's 11750. Well, kind of >> according to the Zimroda bridging ourselves to a new pool. It says $11,35,
>> right? That's where the 13 I think mistakenly some may transpose the 11. So there you go. >> That's what it was. >> So the VF really stepped up to Brian's earlier comment. They had already decided before the event even began. They voted on it last Thursday or
whatever that they were going to make the check out for $10,000 regardless of where things came in, which is >> that's amazing. >> Remarkable considering that I went down to talk to Howard the morning of and we were still below the minimum of 250 tickets, which is just the break even
for the cash payout. So, the VF would have been into it for prize money and the donation for us had no more tickets sold. But we before the event actually began at 5:30, we ended up going rolling over the 250 tickets sold. So they were
at least not on the hook for any of the prize money, but they knew they had the funds to cover the donation they wanted to make towards the pool. He really felt strongly wants the pool to go forward. So that was awesome. >> Yeah, that's great. Very cool. >> Do we do we still get the 5050 and meat raff or is that all going
>> that was all combined? Yep, that was all combined to make them whole. Um and then earlier to regress a little bit to the Burbach meeting, the concessions primarily boiled down to essentially three things. Two were the overdesigning
one. The concrete that they used was 6 in thick and it could have been 4 in thick to pass. So they're going to thin out the concrete by 2 in um to try and save a little bit of money there. Just from a material typical >> y they tend to overbuild. I've talked to
other >> they went six. So whatever 2 in of concrete is for that square footage of the apron or the sund deck is going to help thin that out. And then they had bid some special aggregate mindot fill material that shoeer had quoted an
equivalent and then Burbach realized that that's about $30 a yard cheaper and I forget how many yards it was but it was a substantial amount few thousand worth of >> aggregate there. The big big ticket item was we asked all of the many many um
contractors to bid it quickly and to bid it as if it was going to be done by like midsummer 26 and that's where we lost a bunch of the biders. So Burbach strongly urged us to go back out give them all summer to do it and not be completed
until 27. So based on that, we talked about, and this is something that the rest of you members are going to have to keep in mind, >> that $100,000 worth of tax money that goes towards operating expenses in the pool fund is just kind of got tabled for right now. The previous two years, we as
a park board decided that we were going to put that right back into the pool build fund. So that's something you guys will have to decide at a later date for the actual operating expenses for 26. haven't actually been done anything yet, but they are still earmarked. >> I was going to say, how much did we
>> It was $100,000. It rounded off to $100,000 a year in operating expenses. >> Okay. >> So, we started We had the largest donation. We had $200,000 donation. >> Okay. >> Towards the pool >> and then Hansen had the six figure the $100,000 funds matching. So,
>> so essentially next summer we could put another$100,000. >> You could put another hundred in there if you >> if we decide that. Right. >> Right. And that is with still withholding enough money for operating the first year. >> Correct. >> Kim is very good about, hey, we're not going to touch this much. So I always
I'm careful to ask her, hey, >> how much more can we peel up? >> Right. >> Right. So since it's not operating at all in 26, you would be safe to donate another. >> I thought that was good at least depending on what it comes up to. >> Right. Right.
But hopefully, I feel strongly about it and won't have a vote after tonight, but I really feel that we shouldn't cheapen everything out. A couple of the other considerations that they had in their slide were like changing the construction of the mechanical or bath house into a wood frame construction
versus brick and different things. So they had some things that they would digress from to try and get it down to the whatever we needed to be 3.7 >> 3.3 million.3 right for the for the bids now since we're already into a 300,000
>> right >> so hopefully they can get her done >> but yeah I mean that one I might be willing to go with the wood wood construction as long as it's done right and covered correctly. Um, >> well, the worry I have there is we
talked several times about this mechanical and bath house being the storm shelter for the campground. Now, the campground has their own bath house. Is that going to be the storm shelter? But I don't think that was built to the same code because we talked about that several times. So,
>> however you guys want to do it in the future, but yeah, this was going to have a woodframed roof anyway. So, that right you kind of lose it there, >> right? I just think the perception of the city is we had a brick house that stood for 50 years there and if we're going to replace it with some
wood thing I don't it's totally up to you guys but however you want to do it but there are other things like you know the slide or the water features and things like that those are >> correct >> those are a no non-starter in my mind they need to be there >> I mean our homes are made of wood
they'll stand for a long time so as long as it can >> not as harsh of an environment >> except my bathroom where the chemicals then I think would be fine. >> We'll see. >> As long as they warranty it for 30 years
or 50 years, let let them build it out of straw if they want to. >> 50 years. >> Yep. That's a 50year warranty. The vessel is supposed to last 50 years. >> Yep. I would definitely ask I would definitely ask the question if what's
the warranty on one versus the other. >> Yeah, just a note on that point. Was theirs was a rehab about the same vintage, same layout, design and everything. I was talking to uh up at class uh their public works director um that I know quite well or whatever, but
he said they're to the point in 15 years that they're having to they're having to the vessel itself, the old vessel that they rehabed is popping again or whatever. So >> frame what they spend back then >> uh it was like he thought it was two
million. I thought it was like one and a half or something like that at the time. >> 15 years ago, but a rehab. >> Rebuilt the pool 15 years ago. >> Looking at sticking some money back in again. >> We spent 100 grand on it five years ago,
>> right? That was supposed to make it >> two years, possibly three. >> What started out as >> we stretched that real thin, >> then it went to >> But it was the vessel still was good. >> Yeah. The bath house that bailed us or
the piping in the bath house >> and the kitty pool. >> The Yeah, that was gone. Yeah. Probably all the pee in there. >> I think that pumped right into the ground probably. >> Yeah, there wasn't there a constant hose
in it to keep it. >> Yeah, they couldn't keep it full. It kept on going >> freezing all that. went right into the sewer probably. >> Any other pool discussion? >> Okay, we'll move on to new business. We
have new member applications. >> We have two applications. One is from Carol Schuman and the other is from Victoria Lauren Perez. Um, and just as a side note, um, Victoria also submitted
an application for the EDA. So, pending their approval as well. I mean, I don't know if people can serve on more than one board, but then it would, you know, it would be her her choice which one she would choose. So, if you choose to approve her as well,
it's not a guarantee that she would come here. I recruited Carol, told her she should apply. >> Awesome. >> I thought she'd be good. >> Do I get like a bonus like at work? >> You get an extra year.
>> An extra year for the 17th time. I'll >> be president next year. >> Oh yeah. >> Again for the >> again. with this Victoria. She reached out to me actually wondering if we had any positions open. Um, and then but then she said she just
really wants to be involved in the community. And so I said, "Well, we don't have any jobs, but we have board openings, commission openings." So yeah, so she put in for two, >> just one spot board. >> Two. >> Two. >> We have two open
>> Mary Goplin and myself. Mhm. >> Irreplaceable. >> Mary, not me. I got to buy it for myself. >> No, that is not true to Troy. Look at
what you did over at the Ball Diamonds. They look very nice. >> Still not done. I'll be back here next spring asking for more eggline money public commenting. I'll be around. Yeah, that's how it all got started. So, I'm gonna try not to be here for too many public comments,
otherwise you get sucked back up. >> Too many public. Don't >> worry. You'll have an extra hour a month now to put up fence. >> Right. >> There you go. >> I thought I was out. Look at that. >> I thought I was out and Miranda came. You can be on it again.
>> That's maybe something I'll pass tonight is that we have a maximum term limit. You and I won't have to come back. >> That's it. be all right. >> What are you looking for on these tonight? >> Oh, do we need a motion? >> If if you would like to accept them, you
can just motion to approve or um recommend them to council for approval. And then if council approves them, then I'll reach out to them, see if they are both still interested in accept. And >> yeah, >> they can attend in January. And
>> yeah, how are we going to do the uh the other one that Victoria >> Well, >> because that meeting won't happen before. >> Well, I told the EDA that she because the EDA asked for more information from
her, >> so she's going to provide that if she responded to Kurt at the December meeting, but I told them I said, "Well, she also applied for parkboard." So, if they approve her and then send it through council and she the extra information
might not mean anything because she might just decide to go with parkboard. Do we do the appointments >> Janu the first meeting in January, but that's going to be after the first artboard meeting >> because we moved it to 8th.
>> Um, but you can approve new members anytime. >> Okay. Then they'll just go on the appointment list. >> Yeah. Because like if we had if it was the middle of the year and we had a vacancy, you can just approve that at any time. But yeah, we have expiring
terms here, so I don't care. Just >> doesn't matter. At least let DA board know that you got to improve or that you want to let them know. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And like I said, I don't know if citizens can do more than one board.
Like maybe she wants to do both. I I don't know. >> I don't know if you can. >> Uh I don't not aware of anything in the ordinance that says you can't. Guess we're usually just struggling to get people to do one. So this is new terance over here. >> What else should we put in or not?
>> Everything. He can be on everything. Yeah. >> Recruit her to be a part of the >> can come back. >> Exactly. >> Council member and >> conflict of interest. He can't be a voting member because he can't be a voting member.
>> Yeah. I'll make a motion that we approve both applications for new park board members and um pass them on to the council for approval. >> I will second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I opposed.
>> Carried. Miranda's addition, the Greater Minnesota Parks and Trails membership renewal. So, this is we I looked back and we've been members of this since as long as
I've been here and I'm sure prior to that as well. Um, I included a list of the benefits that we get out of being a part of this board if you guys want to look those over. Um, I think last year the fee was also 175.
It was either 175 or 165. So, it's either stayed the same or gone up $10. I can't quite remember. >> It's not a very substantial fee. Um, my only question is is do they basically double dip for the Pioneer Trail and for the Cover Bridge Park and get two for
one there? >> I don't know. >> Since they kind of overlap any chance we get grandfathered in since we're the beginning of the Pioneer? >> Yeah. I don't know if that group of >> or if they're not even a part of it, they could piggy back on ours, >> right? Yeah. I'm not sure.
>> Yeah. It can't be a bad thing to belong to, especially if we're going to start looking at >> Exactly. >> some more grants, right? Once we get that trestle going, we're going to have to do the road and, you know, whatever else. I think having this on the resume would be good. Um,
okay. Oh, and we are talking about folding trails into the park at some point into the park board. So, it will truly be parks and trails. I'll make a motion that we pay the $175 fee and renew our membership. I will
second >> motion and second. All in favor? >> Opposed? Carried. Brian's addition of a fee schedule. >> Yep. I didn't even make one for you guys because the only thing I want to ask is, do you want to make any adjustments to
the campground fees? We're not done with the bath house yet. The pool's not there yet. Uh we did raise it last year. Um the seasonal campsites $1,430. Um primitive 25 bucks. Electrical water
sites 40 bucks a night. Electrical water sewer 50 bucks a night. Then we added that non- guest waste station use of $15. Is that enough? $15 for the non- guest? >> I think so. >> Okay. That was based off of other stuff that was close by, right?
>> Yeah. So, >> but I would suggest waiting a year and if we get the we'll get the bath house done for sure and hopefully we've got the pool. >> Yeah, I was going to say there >> without the pool opening up. I don't know that we should be raising anything
this year, but that's just my opinion. >> And the rest of your fees are just the swimming lesson ones, which >> that does not apply when you don't have a pool, >> right? So, I just want to bring that up real quick because this will be the last meeting before
well, yeah, before we finalize the fee schedule, there'll be a public hearing on the fee schedule on January 8th, but again, that'll be after the next park board meeting, too. So, I guess if we wanted to change anything, we could do it at the next park board
meeting, I suppose. >> I don't think change it. Yeah, we raised it last year and they don't have a pool yet. There's the bath house isn't quite done. I don't see a point to uptick it until some other things are done.
>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. >> Use some more amenities. >> That's something that should be motioned. And no fee raised. Yep. Or leave the fees the same for 2026. Yep. >> I will make a motion to keep the fees the same for 2026.
Second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in favor? I >> opposed. Carried. No reports. Just one quick thing. As long as I'm thinking about it. We've been talking about capital planning for the park board. We'll do that after the first of the year.
>> Okay. >> Probably going to be February once everybody's set again and everybody's in their new positions. And then we'll get on the capital planning, put together a whole 10-year projection, and then it makes it much easier to uh shift and
move things. And we do that with roads and everything else, too. So, and project out dollar amounts and that type of stuff. So, been a longterm effort that just hasn't gotten going yet. Just gonna I promise.
Is it time to entertain a motion? >> We have a farewell speech right now >> to a farewell speech. >> It's been educational to say the least. Um to Kayla's point, I literally started out just trying to get some more
attention to what was almost abandoned Sandlot Fields for a while there, but it has come a long long way over there. That was definitely the passion that got me on to the park board and it has grown along with the friendships and relationships that I've fostered here. So, I appreciate everything you guys
have done to help me or put up with me as I've been on the board now for six years, but crazy to think it's gone that fast. >> Yeah. So, we started the fundraising for that. And >> were you on here before I was the administrator? My second term.
>> Oh gosh. Okay. >> Yeah. That's why they're kicking me off. while I'd be right here with you. >> But yeah, there's definitely things that I'm still passionate about and we'll be back on the public comment side of things. Definitely looking for hopefully some more egg lime and some more things
going on with the concession stand and trying to keep that like a a thriving I think that's a really community hot spot for all the the youth and the parents that involves a lot of people. There's a lot of visibility over there. I think potentially in the future replacing that
basketball court over there with like a batting cage or something. I'll pursue that on my own to try and get Shields to sponsor that. But I think someone to sponsor that and get that right. I mean, that's right on 52 where everybody wants all the banners and things that we had going on there and where they want the
um all of our awards for different uh >> Well, they move the schoolies and stuff. Yeah. They want out there. I mean, that's kind of a hot spot for billboards and stuff. So, I think that having a sponsored batting cage out there would would be huge for that complex. >> Get rid of rid of the basketball hoops.
So, they're used quite a bit from scene. >> I just think there's a lot of opportunity to combine the basketball stuff like when Anton is doing all the three and three stuff like that. I think expanding what we're already looking at in the future of making the pickle ball courts even better. Maybe putting in
some basketball stuff. Maybe in the little flat spot where the bath house kind of used to be down there. Maybe a separate little basketball court next to what the pickle ball court slashpermanent hockey rink would look like in the future. I'd like to see the
um frisbee disc golf. I'll I'll continue to work on trying to get some concrete tea pads and get some signs and stuff and see if we can round some more volunteers up for doing that. That's probably been the biggest educational experience for me here is that
for the things that come up here, if they're not well planned out and you don't have the financial commitment, they die so quickly. And it takes someone who's super passionate about it to try and keep them alive. And you guys obviously see that with all the programs around here.
um would really encourage in some of that capital planning to look at the programs that you do want to back, how small they are, how big they are, and really make sure that the financial investment is there for them and get the dollars moved in there right away so they can happen quickly because some of
the things that have happened are all because of the financial backing. you know, the the new bath house up by the by the shelter up there and the extended trail and the the bath house and the the whole entire campground. I mean, we failed to get the the grant and the
funds for that campground, but yet we we pulled it off. >> We pulled it off. So, I think those are all great additions to the park. Um, and I think there's lots more to be had out there, but I really think it starts with earmarking some funds and and driving it home with some actual labor versus,
well, come back to us next month and the next month and the next month and get more information and it kind of dies out so quickly. So, >> that's my only take as to what I've seen. Otherwise, I think we do a great job of being the voice of the community. I wouldn't be afraid to share more stuff
out there. I know we don't do a whole lot of publicity stuff because a lot of negativity comes out quicker than the support, but there's a lot of people who are definitely opinionated and aren't afraid to support or, you know, voice their opinion. So, I think what we do as
a whole is a great thing. So, thank you for allowing me to be part of it. It's been fun. >> Jeez, I'm glad you didn't have a speech. How long were we? >> I want to make sure we didn't like beat Fred's record. I think Whenever it was 25 minutes,
>> you got about like an hour to go. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's still in the minutes somewhere. Miranda can find that. But anything over like an hour and 15, you order Casey's pizza. So, >> it was definitely under Fred, not under me.
>> It was. >> So, with that, I will definitely entertain a motion to adjourn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll >> second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor? I >> opposed. You're out.
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