This conference will now be recorded. >> Are you >> Is that what I get for being gone for the last three months? >> I was going to say I'm going have to be caught up to speed, I think, rather than actually run the meeting. volunteer. >> Yeah, I was going to say last four pages
are probably all my to-do list. >> See what spend some money on the road. >> Good news on that house. >> Yep. Good news on house was supposed to be here tonight. >> They're on there. They're on awesome.
>> And we had asked to have um the whole committee. >> They're here too. right here. >> Awesome. >> I follow directions very well. >> Only approved that new sign. >> Oh, yeah. The sign >> at the park.
>> Yeah, we did. >> Okay. >> I hope so because there was a check. I >> think that's it for major week. So, >> the synopsis. >> Yeah. But now you going to call the meeting to order. So then we'll call the meeting to
order. >> Is it recording? >> It's recording. >> All right. >> 602. Uh Miranda's agenda. I don't know that there's I haven't been told of any ads or anything. Make a motion to approve the agenda for August 4th of 2025.
>> Second motion. >> Second to approve the agenda. All in favor? >> Opposed? Carried. >> Well, everything you should know should be in the minutes there, Troy. Everything you need to know, right? Looks nice back there. Looks really
nice. >> Very nice. >> Yeah, I'm glad we could get that done. motion to approve the minutes as written for July 7th. >> Second have a motion, a second. All approved.
>> Any opposed? Carried. Accounts payable. Um you'll just notice that the basic are the pool fun which is the initial consulting pool plan um for Burbach aquatics. Correct Brian?
>> Yep. >> And then there also are campground bills in there. Some of the things we've been working on. >> The basics. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think pool plans um and permit is in there too. >> Y permit application. So, that's a real
nice big one for you guys to approve. Jeff's been doing a good eye or a good job of keeping track of the the campground and making sure everything's lining up with not double charged by accident or anything like that. So, and the Burbach stuff is all in
contract. >> Make a motion to approve um accounts payable accounts payable. Sorry. >> I'll second. [Music] >> Yeah. I guess I should have asked to amend the agenda to put the budget first
so we can get Kim going. Oh, I can go first. >> You what? >> I you you can move it. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, you have your budget in front of you. Um, this will be going to You actually need to approve it if you would because this is going to be going
on the initial levy. So, um, this will go in your your levy proposal levy amount of $78,187, which is up about a little bit from last year. Um, nothing too outstanding. We increased
costs by 3% roughly. I'm trying to reflect some of the costs for workers comp, etc. If you look at the pool budget, you see that we had an adjustment to workers comp because they build us for it and we didn't have pool open last year. So, we got adjusted off
this year. So, So, the increase is roughly 3,000. Where did you say the majority of that was coming from? >> Most of that is a 3% increase in most of the regular expenses down in your bottom. Some of them I didn't I didn't increase part-time summer help. We stayed steady
at 17,000 for that for this year. Um, your operating supply, everything went up just about 3%. That's just our standard rate we've been using this year to kind of pop things up. It may or may not keep uh in step with what's going on, but it's what we do
>> across the board, every department, >> think the campground water and sewer is going to remain the same because now the seasonal campers are on their own meter. Correct. Or is that just for electric? >> No meter yet.
>> Do we meter the water or just electric? >> No, they I think they redid the bolt and I think there's I think there is a different meter in there at this point. I'd have to ask Ronnie what he's got set up. >> Might might have a little bit coming in there. Not that it's a lot, but >> yeah,
>> hopefully a makeup there. still doing the, you know, the the even the increase on the pool levy because we're going to need that once we get the pool built, the new one where you need the operating
right away. Okay. So, we don't want to be behind on that. >> Can we impose that levy right away? We talked about that once before, too. >> What levy >> for the bonding? >> For the bonding. >> Not yet. >> If the bond levy, bonding always starts to get paid for a year after issuance.
>> So, we issue the end of this year. We'll have a bond payment sometime next year. >> Probably July. That's kind of the the normal payments are um actually the due dates are February and August, but normally your build January
July and that won't come out of your budget. That will be strictly in its own bond fund budget. So that will be approved once you once council approves a bond. That will go to council's responsibility to act on. Any further questions or discussion on
the budget? I'll look for a motion to approve. >> Yeah, make a motion to approve the proposed 2026 budget. >> Got a motion. Looking for a second. >> Second. >> All those in favor?
>> I opposed. Carried. Thank you, Kim. >> You are welcome. >> Have a nice evening, guys. >> You bet. >> Appreciate the explanations. Thank you. Well, anytime. All of you guys are have questions. >> Yep. >> So, I'll move back down to unfinished
business since there's no public comment and we'll start with the pool update. >> All right. Should we start with the pool committee or do you want to go with Jordan first so he can hear from the pool committee first? >> Sure. >> Keep waiting a little longer, Jordan. That's okay. Just a few minutes.
>> No worries. >> You have questions for them? >> Yeah. um where are we at at fundraising and um kind of specifically who have we targeted and what are the plans for further
targeting for fundraising? Um [Music] it's mostly been the businesses that have been targeted. Um and I don't know if there's
further. >> I would honestly say a lot of our fundraising efforts have been a little bit exhausted over the last few months. The people that want to give have given. The ones that >> and I'm hopeful that once they see some
um action or some progress that maybe they'll start donating again. >> Um because a lot of people are like, "Oh, I'm going to make a donation, but I just we're we're waiting. We don't know what we're going to do yet. So, we have some on the fence that way. We're still trying to target some of our bigger
ones. We got like Paul Peterman working, you know, he went quick trip, gave a good donation, and then he went back and got an even better donation. So, we're we're trying to work with some of those angles, but and then we got a couple other fundraising ideas in the works for
maybe around Christmas or the next Downing Day thing and all that. But as of right now, it's been pretty quiet as far as the fundraising world goes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Why do you think that is? >> Um,
>> just your best guess. >> My best guess, I think people just It's been a couple years with no pool and they're just kind of like, hey, we approved the tax levy. We've already given, we went to the pancake breakfast. We did this and now they just want a pool. They just think that that's all it takes,
>> right? So, unfortunately, it's a big number to fund raise. You know, we don't have a big McNeel or anything to just drop us $500,000. I mean, we've had some great ones like the telephone company giving $100,000, but >> when you're looking at fundraising $1.6
million, you have to have a pancake breakfast every year or every week for like two years, right? You know, >> and those and those nickel and dime fundraisers aren't going to get you. No, they help. But and I do think things like our bricks that we're going to try to build the patio once once the pool is
maybe under construction and they see where the patio then people are going to jump on board and want to be part of that. >> And then if you buy a brick for $100 and >> you know kind of like kids kingdom, >> right? >> From what I hear though way back then that raised $100,000 just buying a a
board. So maybe that fundraiser will kick into gear once we have some action being taken. But right now, I mean, just being a like a business person within the community, I think a lot of people are like, "Well, this is frustrating. What happened to our pool?" And >> Right.
>> And we're getting some of the same feedback from people. >> Exactly. >> And I don't know how to answer the question. We don't either. We don't either because, you know, they're saying, >> "We voted to raise our taxes and now you're knocking on our door and asking you for even more money." >> More money. Right. So, and and
pointedly, we've had I've had people say, "Why didn't we bond for the whole thing? It just >> and that is one of the things we've talked about like, you know, we didn't bond enough." Maybe, you know, we hoped that we could fund raise or get a grant, but unfortunately that felt short. >> Yeah. Right.
>> So maybe at the next election or whatever that is that you you know we don't want to hold a special election that would require payment for another >> um thing. But maybe we could ask like hey we didn't bond enough. Could we maybe extend it from 20 years to 25 to
help pay for it? I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Those are all great questions. >> Yeah. Don't know the answer. >> Well several things from my standpoint. Um, we publicized it a lot. You know, with how this was going to work as far as, hey, this is going to require
donations, too. >> You know, what we didn't want was to run a referendum and have it fail and then have to wait and another $400,000 later, try and do it again. >> So, we picked a number that worked for the city budget and keeping the roads
going and all that. That's why we did all that capital planning. I don't know if you were all on when when I first came on in 2020. It was you. We need a number now. We need a number now, Fred. I'm like, I can't give you a number now, >> right? >> You know, and so we went through the whole capital planning process and came up with, well, we can you if we go with
$300,000 and then people have, you know, have some donations say, you know, then the people that really want it are going to going to help you step up and and fund it. So now it passed, you know, overwhelmingly. So then, yeah, a shoot, we should have done, you know, three and
a half million or four million. It might not have passed then though and then we'd be sitting right here with nothing. We wouldn't be anywhere then. But we are where we're at now and we've raised a little over $600,000. Mostly businesses, mostly bigger donations. We do have a single anonymous
citizen that donated 25,000. Um so that's one of the bigger ones. Uh but citizens in general with 60,000 or less maybe. >> Um I think what we need to do is is regain the excitement. thing, everything just stagnated and there was we don't
even have pool committee meetings anymore, >> right? >> For the most part. So everything kind of stagnated. So So what what we're looking at doing is is getting the demo going. So and Jordan's working on that package right now, a demo package. I spoke with our city attorney and and said, "Hey,
can we split the demo out and and do that as as quotes? Get, you know, few quotes to do the demo so we can get that going right now." So, there's a big hole in the ground and a big sign up there with the future pool facing towards the park during Coverbridge Festival, hoping
to generate some more excitement that hey, this is going to happen. Now, >> um again, >> aometer maybe even on on funds raised, >> what's >> the thermometer um on how much we've raised um out there as well.
>> Yep. Yep. But I think um communication is a big thing and I I don't think a lot of the citizens know. They just think this is happening because they haven't heard much. We haven't had articles in the paper. we haven't, you know, so really we haven't done much of anything and that that needs to crank up and we're talk Peterman's writing a article right now and then we'll review that um
and get that in the paper uh next week um >> because I think we need to remember about um advertising and informing people that the people who have the money are not the people that are on
social media. Usually the deep pockets are more the ones that are going to be reading the newspaper, maybe even reading that Goodyu County magazine that comes out monthly, that today magazine. >> That's a good idea >> because
you know the they're the ones with the dispersements at the end of the year that they have to do something with for tax purposes. And it's not mom and dad that have got four and five kids at home that are trying to figure out how am I going to pay for school supplies this year with the increased costs and
everything. And I think we weren't ready to do that last year. It was just getting going and so we didn't have the resources to get those end of the year >> tax um for all of those people. >> This year we are maybe better equipped
to do something like that. >> So I think we got to hit everybody. >> The committee has done a great job. I don't mean to I mean it just we all kind of stagnated because it got >> we got to where we got to like okay now what >> $600,000 richer you know >> but >> once it gets going again we're going to
have a presence at the fair national night out >> and cover bridge festival >> um cover bridge festival be a little more elaborate maybe you know I think probably the games might have to wait till then >> games will have to wait >> we could maybe give some of those ducks away the next couple you know at the
fair >> yeah and at the fair it might be used to informational only um because that's all we'll have. >> We just set that up. That's why I'm dressed like this. >> Um so that one's set up. National Night Out will be set up tomorrow. Popcorn. >> We're going to be serving popcorn out of
the booth. So that'll bring a lot of people over. >> Um and I've got talking points typed up which basically this is where we are, how we got here, >> and all of that. But I think what needs to happen is we need to get the word back out there like you said. Um and
today magazine is a great place but but citizens citizens are going to need to understand or re understand that the bonding was just part of it. Um we need to you know the businesses have given for the most part. We're still working
on Redwing Shoe Treasure Island. Uh I can't remember there are some that we're hoping are you know >> how about that Arctic place out on the highway. >> It's hard to talk to anybody out there. If you can talk to somebody out there you're doing well. No. Um, so yeah, and DFA is still we're
still in talks with them. We've got, you know, one of the committee members working with all those big big ones. Um, so who knows if there's another, you know, if we can average 25,000 each from each one of those, that's going to lop off another 150,000. Um, I don't know if
we're going to have more money from the pool operating. We're going to squeeze that as much as we can when the time comes and hopefully put another hundred in. But we're whittling away at some of that too right now for for things fees and things like that. We're starting to spend money. Um
yeah, but I think just the education even down to we've got 4,000 citizens. It would be this much per citizen. Now, some of those are babies and kids, you know, not reasonable, but and if if if half of the citizens if 2,000 citizens donated
>> right now it would be 500 bucks each, >> but um hopefully get it lower than that and then publicize that. >> That's each citizen. Yeah. So, so like you know in my house, >> well, there's four of us right there. So, that'd be two grand out of my house. But but just as just to give a scale of
it that hey this is doable you know because some people can give more some people can you know right now we're at about $15 to $18 I think by my calculations per citizen if you divide it out plus taxes you know that that bear they absolutely I pay the taxes so
I understand too but it was well publicized that this was part of the funding for the pool so for anybody to say you know now you're at my door looking for money well yeah That was all part of it. Otherwise, we would have bonded for the whole thing.
>> Yeah. But it it may have been well publicized, but I don't think people are understand. >> Yeah. And they just don't remember. They just you can't grasp what $1.6 million is like. >> Well, that's the other thing, too, because I had a lot of research in other communities. Dodge center raised that >> Dodge Center
>> four months communities. Other communities. Yeah. And I don't know how much they made up of it, though. >> Yeah. um their their marketing was and I don't know if I think they hired someone to help them market but they went into these bigger businesses said hey we need $500,000
>> and then well you know I don't know if we can do that well you know can you do 400 and they got a lot bigger donations that way which we didn't do we kind of went on our own with >> you know with some guidance from from Burbach but we were >> yeah hindsight again >> it's also a different binding on the
bonding >> lots of nonprofits are hurting right now and so people are not >> wanting to give any money elsewhere. So, I think we're up against that, too. >> Yeah. It's not for lack of trying from the committee. I'll tell you that.
>> Is also a key point as well because most of the really large places where you can go and get donations, Twins organization, thing like that. Target, Sam's, all the big businesses we hit, you instantly get shut down because you don't have a 501c3.
So they'll only they'll only donate to a 501c3 because that's just part of their contribution committee. They have to donate to a nonprofit >> the resolution. We are I mean we are we're obviously we're a government. So >> so I don't understand that completely but we've tried many different places to
try use their 501c3 and nobody will do it. we have we have a 501c3 if we have a tax deferred number we can get a lot more donations >> through and it's expensive and timeconuming to committee and all the things >> right so it does take a while to set it
up yeah >> we need to have someone kind of sponsor that for us and run it through their 501 >> we did look into that but yeah it's not worth our time >> and we checked with like the Lions and the >> I think we did >> sima community trust all of those different things and they all kind of
went well we can do for onetime donation, but we can't yeah >> funnel funds for you >> because there is there are things that need to be done there. I tried Smith and they haven't gotten back to me that I guess they're not interested either, but >> Southern Minnesota Initiative Foundation. I was told that they might,
but >> and we never did get any type of grant, right? There's no grants. >> We have I can't remember what grant we've gotten a grant. We got turned down for the Taylor Family Farms one. Um, we've got a T-Mobile one still out
there, I think. Um, there's a um one just coming up that it's it's just $10,000. You have to match 2500, but we're going to try it for the pool. Actually, we're going to two I think we'll do two of them. One of
them will be for the Frisbee golf to try and finish that off because they funded a Frisbee golf course last year with this grant. And so, we'll put that one in, but we'll put the pool one in, too. Some committees are submitting four of them. Kurt Meister is working on that and his CEDA colleagues
are submitting a bunch of them from all over the area. But so yeah, >> I also think it might be good to have talking points because I've heard people say, you know, Pine Island can build that big pool down there and they're not having to
tax the people. >> Oh geez, they did. Well, >> they ran a bond bond issue down there >> and I had it explained to me that we pay for our roads here. We don't go to the people in town or >> Yep. We don't assess those, right?
>> But they do in Pine Island. That's why it's so much flusher in Pine Island. >> Well, among other things, yeah, they have an 84 or 88% tax rate, >> meaning they can they're taxing >> 88% of what they could tax. Right now, we're at 49%. So, we can do all that
stuff. >> I think that that needs to be talked about. >> We do every tax season. We talk about that for sure. But we can we can include that in the article, too. I don't know how to I hate to go >> I don't want to put other towns in there because they all know what their tax
rate is, but but that is the issue. So, when >> you just say that ours is >> we have a very low >> relatively low too. Well, and when we did the um the capital study, um both of the the ones that we were we had in for interviews, they said, "You
can't sustain with your tax rate at this level." >> You know, you need to start raising your tax rate. Um to be able to get everything done, you need to get done >> because I think that people need to know that it's been kind of nice. >> Yeah. And the other thing is Pine Island had
>> Pine Island sold land at Prairie Island for 1.8 8 million or whatever million dollars it was. And so they had that little slush fund there, too. So that's why they were able to do the pickle ball courts, whatever else they did with that money. So yeah, there's all kinds of factors, but >> land.
>> We are working on selling land right now. Actually, the EDA is there's two lots out in the business park. >> Not to that we're working on selling, but that money goes back into EDA. So >> I got a question. So what happens if we
don't bank it? >> Well, so the council is facing um a decision on if we if we hold off and try and fund raise more. Burbach is telling me 10%
inflation factor. So that is not feasible because then the pool won't happen at all ever. Um or let's get the pool going and keep fundraising. Um, we have options. Uh, we talked to Aaylor's, our our financial adviser, and one
option would be to do an abatement of the area, a tax abatement of the area around the pool out there. And those taxes would go towards uh towards a loan, more bond or, you know, not have be more bonding, be a loan basically. Um, but it goes on the
levy >> or an intraund loan, which is the the preferred method. um our water fund. We've already talked about this. We could pull, you know, we don't want to pull any more than 700,000. So, we need to fund raise to get to that point and
within kind donations, but we could do an intra fund loan for 10 years or 15 years, but then we've got debt service because we're paying ourselves back. We pay a couple of percent interest in all likelihood. We wouldn't have to pay any interest back. But, um and that will not hinder any of the water projects or
things that we need to do. you know, we're still able to finish the water meter project and everything we've got going. It won't cause a problem, but basically we'll be taking a loan for ourselves is what it would amount to. But again, then you have a loan payment and that goes on the levy. you know, uh, 700,000 would be
two to three% on the levy, but in 2027, you know, in 2026 right now, we're already looking at 14.35%. Partly because of the $3 million of bonding, which is like 4%. Um, and then we've got an FTE request to
replace the the police officer that we didn't bring back back when the county thing came up and all of that. So, um, that is in there and that's a few percent too plus capital equipment, all the stuff that we need to do. So, we're at 14.35 and the council is okay with
that so far for a preliminary. We can't add any more to that. There's no way we can go above that. Uh, but yeah, we wouldn't we would wait till the end of the project and then do an inter fund loan to finish it out. Now, this is all assuming that the bids come back, okay? you know, if the bids come back out of
whack, then then it's all back, you know, back to where we started, then it's definitely going for more bonding if we're ever going to do it. >> So, a lot of lot of factors to consider, but I'm in favor of let's get it going
because we have another $400 and some thousand dollars of >> So, could you bond could you ask for more money after you borrow the money and use that to pay it back? >> Sure. Yeah, but um in all likelihood, you know, we put 2% on a levy in 2027, we're
going to have growth between now and then, they won't even feel that. >> You you 2% is 2 and a.5% I think is typically a wash around here. Pan Island grow more than that. They could they could like 6%. You know, so if they levied 9%, they'd only
feel 3% of that. So 2 and a half% wouldn't even be felt really. Um, but it's more, you know, it is >> and there's the philosophical, hey, we we bonded, the citizens said, yet spend this much and then now we're putting more on there
without asking them. But it's legal and I think the greater evil would be to not have the pool, >> right? >> You know, I think more people would be upset to not have the pool. >> So, I'm encouraging the council to let's get this going and we'll figure that out as we go. Who knows, maybe a big donor will come along. So, the bids, are they
gonna go to local companies? So, >> yeah, we'll let Jordan talk about the bids, too. If we if you guys want to move on to Jordan and look at the plans, >> you guys might as well come up to the table now because we want to put plans up there. >> I'll have to make you presenter, Jordan. >> Okay.
All right, you have control now. >> Okay, let me pick my screen. >> Okay, you guys should be seeing the title sheet here. >> Okay. >> Um, and yeah, to answer your your last
question, yeah, we typically would prefer to work with local companies. um either that or whoever is the most experienced in the area. I mean, being local to Rochester, um there's definitely a wide variety of options,
but um the more word we can spread to the contractors, the better. Local and um not so local. So, uh let's see. >> Let me just say one thing before you get going. So, we hadn't brought a whole lot back because we were just developing the
pool that that the park board approved. >> Um, and and Troy was has been on there with us as well on most of the meeting. So, sorry for not coming back more often, >> but you know, we were just kind of going with what was approved. U, some of the canopies might have moved around a little bit, but otherwise, it's it is
the pool that was approved with the exception of a few changes inside based on lifeguards. >> Yeah. >> Old lifeguards saying, "Hey, this won't work. this will work better. So there were a few changes inside the building from but you never really had any walls or anything. You had more of a concept
back then. So this will be interesting. >> Yeah. So yeah, like Brian said, it was more logistical things that we were running into as we were putting the plans together that you know stemmed some or the little changes that were made. Um and we we just had questions along the way uh while putting these
plans together that um you know needed answering um pretty swiftly. uh didn't change, you know, the overall scope of the project. It should look fairly similar to the original concept or exactly similar just with a few few details.
Um so here we have the the title page. Um I'll just go uh page by page. If you guys have any uh questions or want to stop me, just let me know. Um there's 80 pages, so um I'll just give a brief description of each page. Uh this is the
title legend. Um this is the site soil boring map. Uh as some of you might know, we added six additional uh borings uh to further define the the bedrock that you have on
site uh which is fairly shallow. when working with the structural engineer um he wanted to be more confident um with where that profile was because that was going to determine uh his foundation design of the pool. Um so after those
six borings he felt uh confident enough to move along with what uh you call flowable fill. um you know half the pool is going to be essentially within the bedrock and then half the pool um have to address the poor soils. So uh we're
removing the poor soils where needed and then coming back with what's um called fable fill. I'll point that out as we go. Uh this is the storm uh storm water um prevention plan. There's three pages.
So, it has a lot to do with site management during construction. Um, this is the demolition plan, site demolition plan. Um, as Brian said earlier, we are taking a majority, if not all except for a few
items and separating them out into that separate project to try to hopefully get the ball rolling there. Um, so that would be uh removing the pool vessel. um there's opportunity to to leave a remainder of some of the section of the existing pool and what they would do is
crack and seat that um you know with the objective of some some costsaving efforts there. Um so removal of the pool vessel, removal of the pool deck. Um during the demo uh project, we would
maintain the site fencing, remove the site buildings uh and then come in with temporary fencing um until the larger project begins. Um so yeah, we have uh all the demo items
items that are to be salvaged and maintained are these benches. Uh the lights we're going to maintain and salvage obviously the um rock climbing wall and there's a bike rack that we have over
there. The um vending machines we also have pointed out on the electrical demo. So, yeah. My laptop's a little finicky. So, this is the excavation plan. It just um lays
out the layback from the um the new pool excavation uh where the bedrock is. Obviously, you don't have to pull that back as much. it's much more uh stiff and you don't have to worry about um shoring or anything. So uh these deeper elevations
the um 1 ft increments increases rapidly and then we got the the remainder of the excavation and I think this still needs to be updated to represent the flowable fill excavation. So
uh then this is the site plan. We'll go over this a little bit. So hopefully this is looking very similar to where we left it. Um, one I think area, Brian, that we kind of decided is to add on is this uh grass
area. Um, that area, you know, possibly being used for a future slide. Um, and then you know, also a good place to locate the either that patio you guys were speaking of with the the bricks.
Um, yeah. >> Yeah, we had considerable discussion on that because it's actually a little less fence, I think, than going around making the L. So, >> yep, the same amount of deck just more fence or less fence.
>> Yeah. place >> area. >> They're sitting the grass, whatever. >> Plus, it's there's more room for the bigger slide in the future. >> Um, yeah. And here, here are the shade structures that Brian was talking about. We located these two um positioned where
they are currently. >> One of the big one over by the zero depth entry. So, parents can be over there. >> Y, >> we did make the pool. What do we do? How do we fit that climbing wall in there with the slide? I can't remember. Do we We didn't make the pool bigger. We did something though. Or
did we? >> Um I recall that. So the the length remained the same to maintain the 25 yard lap swimming. Um the slope might have been altered on the um the deep end
>> transition into the deep end. >> Um but the depth requirements had to be kind of um managed with the climbing wall. And then the the new deck slide also has um I believe like a 4 and 1/2 foot deck or depth requirement.
>> So the positioning of those are pretty much locked into place um just based on the manufacturer requirements for depth. Um, see, we got a top slide, Brian, and some
um I think the long leg uh water features. We'll get to that page uh soon, but the two zero depth amenities that we have added. Um, we'll get to the bath house a little
later, but there's a general layout of it. So, largely the same pool that was approved all the way along. Just a little bit more details, little change to get the climbing wall in there correctly, but we had up, you know, pretty good amenities to start off with.
>> Mhm. >> Uh this is just the site construction limits of temporary fence and salt fence. Let me talk one more thing on that. So, the future vision for a big slide over
in that that uh plunge pool over there. Yeah. Over in that area, we talked about whether or not we want the infra infrastructure in place for that. And we decided that yeah, because there's a trench there, there's a vault. I can't remember what all the terminology was, but >> yeah, >> we said, "Yeah, we want to have that in
place so we can put >> rather than digging it all up, we can put a big slide in there in the future." >> So that's a talking point you can use to do it. >> So then we wouldn't want to put the bricks there. >> Uh no out farther they could be, but the slide won't take up that whole area. >> Okay.
>> No. Yeah, the the foundations will stay pretty local to this small area. Um the grass area will still be available. Um from what I understand that that slide is a couple years down the road, but um we will have the infra in infrastructure
in place and I'll I'll stop when we um get to those um pipe plans and vault plans. >> Um but they'll save uh construction down the line if that ever comes across. you
know, you want to dig out um you know, this brand new pool deck you got in or um you know, uh cut a hole into the foundation of your bath house. Um that'll all be set in place, >> right? And the additional cost to do it
right now was minimal compared to what it would be later. So, you know, when we're looking at building this within a certain budget, that part isn't going to blow it up anyways. Mhm. So, uh this is a the deck plan, the
control joints, uh we lay out for the contractor, and then there's expansion joints, the thicker lines. Um and then this is the site elevation plan. Gives all the deck slopes, um building elevations, floor elevations,
uh dimension plans as well. Uh that's the um covert that I'll point out here in a sec. And then the manhole elevations. Uh this is the
site material plan. Just um lays out the receding and the site material. Okay. Take some time going over this. These are the are a couple um section views that we have for the pool. Um this
one being kind of go through them. So the bottom one here is going through this zero depth. So that' be this line four. The this section is going through the
deep end and then into your existing pool. Um, and then the other two are going through the bath house and then through the pool. So, we'll start at the bottom. Your zero depth and your zero depth. After reviewing all
the site borings, the zero depth area is actually where you have the deepest deepest bedrock that we found. Um so [Music] all that poor existing soil that's expansive and can um lead to you know
settlement issues um it's really frost sensitive soil. Uh the city should have the geotechnical report available but um they recommended to address those soils and then the structural engineer uh came in with the um
the foundation design for the pool. So that's this flowable fill. Um shown here we have the under drainage layer of clean rock and then five foot um
enveloping the entire pool all the way around. Uh so here you can see your deep end is um within the bedrock. We still maintain that uh drainage. Uh and then this is a transition point
where we move into the um global fill. And this is showing the existing pool if it were to remain. This section view kind of shows you some of the um manholes and surge tanks. This
is the backwash tank surge tank. This is a manhole for winterization. And then um that's where we're stubbing off the future water supply piping. And then this manhole is for the zero
depth winterization. Hopefully um the pipe plan will kind of make those make more sense here in a sec. Uh a couple details for site fencing and then um ADA parking stall.
Uh this is flatwork details uh for concrete and asphalt. Uh let's see what is this site grading. So that'll be the final site grades. Uh, and this is the preliminary
structural uh sheet that we have received from Albertson. Um, we didn't show you this last time, Brian, or last Wednesday. Uh, but these are probably 75%. We're still waiting on the 99% um hopefully here in
uh week and a half. He's expecting the 99% completing completed in on August 15th. Um and then the following day we'll we'll go over our review and then have those finalized.
And I should mention these are the plans that have been submitted to the state for the review. Um except for the structural plans. Um these are just for your um knowledge. I guess
>> the the state they just really want to review the um old process piping the deck plans and the bath house. So that should all be available and we'll get feedback on that hopefully soon. Um and then move along with the construction permit.
So, these are all the structural sheets, structural design of the bath house, uh the pool, >> and here's that flowable fill. >> So, you can kind of see the area that needs to be addressed. This is the roof uh structural plan
foundation details and then um pool rebar design and concrete more pool structural details. kind of rebar do they use in the do they use the epoxy coated rebar in pools or
is it just regular? >> Um so no it's it's all bare um rebar um in conditions where we have um you know the likelihood of water uh coming in contact. See this this joint there's no
um let's just say this is an active water stop joint here where we we place the floor and then the wall but when we place in the um the stairs we want to lock that into the structure um and there's a high likelihood of water reaching this rebar piece here. So
that's where we have epo epoxy coated um rebars. Um otherwise um everything should be um maintained there and then like this um this bar here,
this valve would be epoxy painted three inches on each side just to do a little bit of corrosion um resistance. It's all trying to avoid that deterioration over the years. >> Yeah. Uh can kind of go over this is
your expansion joint detail. Uh this is Burbox design that we've used for years. Um you'll notice we put the water stop on top of the um rebar dowels that are connecting the two sections. Um so what that does is um eliminates
any water from coming in contact with you know this dowel bar here um keeping everything dry and we have the 2 in and 3 in clearance is to maintain um maintain that that clearance so there is no u possibility of burning through and
then you know leading to additional corrosion. Um, >> you can probably cruise through the structural drawings. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We get to the floor plan of the uh of the bath house. >> Sure.
>> So, yeah, there's some structural roofing framing. We do um we did work with uh Albertson to put in a access way uh within your structural um within your frames. Um, so you notice there's a 2 foot six
gap or 3 foot4 gap here. Um, that way you can access all your exhaust fans in the in the attic. >> Yeah, that's one of the things we're trying to do with this building is make it easy to access all those things that are going to need to be >> uh worked on in the future, including
the piping. Like they're buried in the block walls now. >> They will not be in this building. >> Yeah. everything. You're going to be have access to everything for maintenance in the future with this this design. Uh this pool details,
more structural details. Uh and then we get into some swimming pool um plan. So this is back to Burbox plans. You got your pool, your deep manhole for winterization. That's this box here.
uh pool dimensions. Uh this is your deck drain plan. So you got your when your drains all connected, >> they are draining to grade at this culvert here.
Um and then see so it the force main for dewatering the pool is also going to that that covert as well. That's this line. This 4 inch for force man >> that'll extend out in that yard. Um
nothing out there, but >> yeah, I don't believe you have a storm um storm sewer available within or nearby the site. So I think that's the main reason for going to grade um if I
recall the the design decision there. Uh pool details, cutter details. Um uh the let's see. Yeah, there's more pool details. Pool details. There's that cover. Uh comes out to a
concrete coververt and then some rip wrap details. and then we can get into the bath house. So, we got the main lobby um room 101, the service counter with 88 counter and
um walk up height counter, the attendant room which we located on pool side for um patron observation um as that's probably where your um your staff are going to be um stationed most
of the time. Um, we got some lockers uh per request of um lifeguard. Yeah, recall her name. Brian >> Ba. >> Okay. >> Oh, that was Brea's idea.
>> Yep. Yep. And we did change the lobby around a little bit from the original plan, too. So, this works. Uh, some of the comments were, "Hey, we need direct access to the pool >> uh from the attendant room." I think are we half glass in that door or we have a light?
>> Yeah, there is a a viewable uh let's see door 102. Maybe if I can I'll come back real shortly here. >> That was a discussion too because they want to be able to see out there >> something happens. Plus they switch. They need to whatever they use to switch. Yeah.
>> Here's that door here. 102. You can you can see that viewing window. We contemplated one of those that Yeah. What do you call it, Troy? >> Uh like a half door. >> We decided on the glass.
>> Okay. Yep. Here's that ladder access. Um we have it in the mechanical room here. >> Um so yeah, uh we'll we'll we'll see the the framework for that as well coming up. Here's a mechanical chase. As Brian said, everything is, you know,
accessible. All your um you know, your pipe stubs and um really anything you can think of should be accessible. Nothing is hidden within the um CMU itself. Uh except for maybe some electrical raceways, but all your
plumbing should be um available for maintenance. uh your men's and women's side. Uh got your code required amount of fixtures, 88 stalls for your um toilets and showers.
Um and then the mechanical space here with your separation of pH and chlorine um should maintain the condition of your equipment um for a long time. So, um, if you're ever wondering why we separate it, um, it's just for additional corrosion resistance, uh, protect your
equipment. Uh, we got a door for, um, maintenance access from the front. And then pool side, we have the larger door. And then the electrical equipment is also separated from um, you know, the harsh environments within the mechanical
space. built the last. Yeah. The general flow then of course you enter in at the top there and then go through your respective uh locker room and then out the side. >> Yep. >> So when they are at the pool then they
can go in and out of the locker rooms and not be observed from the attendant side. >> Uh I'm not following. I'm sorry. So, we'll have kids going in and out of the locker rooms from the pool without the attendants at the desk knowing that
there kids back there. >> Uh they should be um all funneled through the attendance. Uh this is a open window, admissions window. So, everyone coming into the pool is being observed by um by the attendants. Once
they're in the pool, then they have free access in and out of the toilet areas without a lifeguard or an attendant knowing that they've gone in. >> I can go through the >> Okay. There's there's no visual, but theoretically be a lifeguard out on the
>> on the deck. >> So, yeah, they go around the end of the building. >> They'll go through the attendant office. >> Correct. And then where is the storage for cleaning supplies for the bathrooms and the toilet paper and stuff like that? Is that in that area in between the
bathrooms? >> Yep. The mechanical space or chase can be used as storage. Um you know you can do your wall hung um broom hangers you know small shelves. Um we also left some space within the mechanical area
for um the addition of of shelves in the future. um mechanical space should um be able to maintain or store um you know tools, whatever maintenance might need. Um yeah, in the mechanical chase we got a
mop sink um be a good place to store your um cleaning chemicals. >> We got a whole lot of uh old not old ex lifeguard. >> Good correction. >> Yeah.
How much you're asking to us? Yeah. >> Call Brea old. >> Uh, okay. So, any questions on the layout? >> No. >> And then here's >> here's that uh attic space. So, you'll
have a ceiling above your uh bath house areas, your attendant like your electrical space. Um, and then you'll have a separation between your mechanical space and um I guess bath house area uh if you label it that. And
then this is where your ladder access is to the attic. And these are all your exhaust fans and um ducting for for everything. Uh that's your walkway. There's some
step over um areas, but um that's a lot better than elevating the floor and then adding um guess what we call a headbanger. So So that that's how you navigate the the walkway.
Uh here are some site views or um elevation views. >> These are just block exposed block. Um do we didn't figure in painting did we >> Jordan? I don't think we had painting as
part of the >> Oh, no. Yeah, that um just a satin coating. Yeah. So, it's a smooth >> doors going the locker rooms. Are those like big exterior doors or are they open doorways
>> inside? >> The bath house doors. >> Yeah. Right there. >> Yeah. They can be I don't know if we have an a elevation view, but they they can be propped open because we have sight lines accounted
for. So if they want to be left open, they can. >> There are doors. >> Yeah. >> So they can be secured at night. >> Yes. >> And then you would have sight view. >> It doesn't even if you stand at the doorway, you're not going to see someone
sitting on the toilet or taking a shower supposedly, >> right? >> No. Yeah. That's all accounted for. Um, nothing should be within sight line. >> Well, that happens. >> It does happen. >> And that the Southeast Services
Cooperative. >> And here's your um front entrance counter with your ADA countertop. >> Is there a baby changing station? Uh yeah, they are this 12 right here. >> Okay.
>> They put them in the men's side now, too. >> As it should be. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He never could find one before for years. >> They forgot to do that at the state. >> Oh. >> Oh, they did.
>> Was any thought given to put um any surveillance cameras on anything? Uh I think the assumption was if if you wanted to add those in the future, you know, with you know, remote cameras, um
you know, a full system would be, um I mean, it could be done, but you know, there's cheaper options that are coming out and you can essentially do the same thing. But >> yeah, most of our questioning along the
way was was it included the original 4.626 626 million because we can't go over that. >> Um and anything else we'll have to move into later. We use a a Verata camera system >> here which um yeah which um all we want to keep with that. They're expensive but
they all interface. >> Y I can pull up a whole screen of all of them. We can have them up you know in the police department. They all interface and they're wonderful but they're expensive. So >> as we move into more cameras in the future that's that's what we'll do.
>> Yeah. just from risk standpoint when they're worth their weight in gold. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Um you know, electrically everything should be um available. You know, we have excess um outlets, everything. It's just a matter of the
city um adding those to the facility down the line. So, to answer your question, just not not involved with this project. The other thing was lighting for night swimming. >> Mhm.
>> Right. That's not part of this project either. >> No. That um unless there were absolute, you know, need for programming for night swimming. You know, you're doing it every night or you have big events. you know, we find
um night lighting not always cost effective or um >> so are we talking about lighting in the pool itself or lighting around the pool? >> So yeah, those are two options you can do to achieve the um you know lumens
into the pool to allow for night swimming. you know, that would be um measured and then approved by your um reviewer. Um so to do that um it's quite a expense especially if you're doing it
all over overhead um which we prefer to do cuz in pool lighting tends to lead to issues um sooner than later. So, uh I think we'll have uh the
reinstallation of the existing lighting. I don't believe that will be um compliant enough to allow for night swimming. >> Uh but you should be returned with what you have existing. >> Be not for security lighting. It'll be lit up enough for
>> Yeah. Drive by and see if somebody jumped the fence. [Music] There's some section views. Uh let's see >> this fixture details >> other decisions were manual
knobs rather than the electronic ones things like that again a little bit well what's cheaper >> but but we haven't bid this out yet correct >> right >> so we could still get lighting >> sure
>> yeah um that almost uh guarantee an additional um submission back to the state cuz that's something they definitely review. >> Yeah. >> If the bids come in far enough under then we can add.
So make that happen >> because you know >> the pool and watering is going to last no more than another year, >> right? >> And every single day in the morning aerobic sessions alone, >> there are 25 20 to 25 women in that pool
every single morning and they each paid $120 for >> in the dark. >> No, at set at 8:15. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> And then they have the aerobics in the evening also. And so theirs is like pool parties >> except the lights are on.
>> Yep. >> Right. >> Right. >> Or you just get money for >> for those. Yeah. >> And they're they rent out for pool parties, too. >> Mhm. >> So parties out there now with the site lighting, the same lighting we're going
to have for this. >> And they just have to be out of the water before sundown then, right? >> Standard. Correct. the full >> I was just asking is it would it the lighting still be compliant to run a pool party or would it make it so that you wouldn't be able to be open after
like 8:00? >> Yeah, I think it's just all um dependent on sundown. >> Oh, so you wouldn't be able to have like an evening pool party. >> Mhm. >> And especially since it's a new pool, >> they would want that and that's where your
>> like bigger money is going to be. Correct. >> Correct. Yeah. So >> that's just another avenue of income for that >> evening aerobics and the evening pool parties. >> You think that that would be to to put the uh
ballpark Jordan to put lighting in to allow for evening things >> swimming? Um, >> we don't we didn't have it, did we? >> Talking 10 grand or five grand or 20 grand. >> Oh, it's more than that. Um,
brand new poles and uh fixtures and then um you know the timing system, you know, I think you're well over 100. >> So there you go. How many pool parties that night are you going to take to
generate a >> local electrician to put up a couple? >> Yeah, I know. $100,000. >> Something that we can move into later. We just can't add 100 grand to this project. I don't think unless the bids come back really low, >> right? >> Work with local local contractors.
>> Yeah, I mean, we can reach out to any contractors you guys have um in the area. Um obviously, we'll we'll reach out to contractors we've worked with in the past as well. on past projects. But >> when are we ready to start sending these
out for bids? >> Um once we get the um full structural uh plans back, we should be able to um you know beginning begin to advertise for bid and then you know that process takes um a week and
then pre- bids and then um bid opening you know there's a time frame for that. So, um I think we had, you know, hopefully in September, >> you know, be be close to, you know, looking at some bids
>> because you said the plans will be back August 15th, right? >> Yeah, they should be available to um go out to bid. Obviously, uh if the state takes their time getting back to us, there might be some additional addendums that need to be um administered to
address some items, but um we've gone out to bid prior to uh receiving the construction permit. Obviously, you can't start the project till till we get the construction permit. Um but we can um start the bid process in the meantime. We just want a full set of
plans to be able to provide to the um contractors. so they know what they're they're betting on. >> Okay. And then when is the the deconstruction going to start? >> Uh hopefully this month. I mean I have
the project manual started um about to be finished uh with the change over to the um proposal um that the proposal method as opposed to public bidding. as we learned if a project's under 175 um
we can take it to proposals. Um so that that took a little bit to convert the um you know the specs and manual to match that. So hopefully soon. >> Okay.
>> Uh and we have separated the apply to the demolition project. So I think we also provided >> we have to have an assessment for asbests as hazardous materials too and I've already reached out to Brown tech
and I haven't heard back. Actually I heard back once but I haven't heard anything since. Um but anyway we get that rolling ahead of time here too. >> Yeah. >> I'll just I could just award that and just we've used them and they did the uh
what did they do the borings for us? No. Who did the borings? Was that >> That was Chosen Valley. >> Well, that was Chosen Valley. I'll reach out to Chosen Valley, too. >> And I'm not sure if they'll do materials testing or for hazard hazardous materials, but um definitely be work worth looking into.
>> Okay. Who did we use for our other bath structures like the the one we demoed in the middle of the park and the one that's going down at the camp or who who looked who inspected those >> for that? Those are so small. This is a
different animal because you have the uh all the pipes in the uh the mechanical um mechanical building and all that. Um those bathrooms that we demoed were all exposed and nothing to them.
>> Yeah. So if I may the um the reason behind going and doing and getting the testing before the demolition project is if we find there's nothing then um we can provide that with the um
with the deconstruction documents and the contractors will know you know they don't have to add a certain amount for the hazard hazardous material um disposal. um if we don't have it, you know, they're going to add on >> um
>> beef up their amount. >> So, we have to have that hazardous scale assessment different, but it'll speed things up too once the the quotes come back and ready to roll. Uh my my what I asked for was we need to have
>> Yeah. >> 20th of September. >> Yeah. 20th, 21st, you know, whether it's just a hole or if there's a bunch of equipment sitting there and part of a hole doesn't matter as long as there's some progress. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like we said, Brian, um the
proposal um method is going to, you know, save us a bunch of time rather than going through the entire bidding process, >> for sure. Is there anything else you guys want to see on the plans? Not really interested in all those details of structural was do we have any landscaping as part of
this or is it just going to be grass all the way up around? >> Yeah, it's just grass. Um I just want to briefly just show you the these vaults here. >> Um this is where your future um water slide piping would would go and then end. Um and this is where you see you
cap off pipe and then you you don't have to dig up any deck right here. So that's it's for winterization and then future use. Just so we um covered that briefly just so the team knows.
>> Yeah. Well, yeah. I was thinking like showing filters could donate something. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's son. >> Son. >> What the hell? Just tell him.
>> Just tell them we have nominated you too. >> Thank brother. >> You have the privilege of landscaping. >> Exactly. >> I could tell Jake he was just up in my cabin. So >> you can see these things don't just
happen. >> That's why it's taken over. It's been, you know, a >> lot of detail there. >> Yes. Yes. >> Here are your three um SP uh spray features. You got the bubbler, the baby long legs, and then the splash lantern.
So, three different varieties there. >> That's just another item I I think we we discussed um during phase two. >> Oh, yes. >> All right. Well, let's get built. Let's just do it. >> Let's just do it. Yeah, >> that was good. Jordan, I thank you for
joining us and >> y >> got understanding and still the same pool we approved. >> Just way more developed now. >> Now we just got to keep our fingers crossed for the bids. >> Yeah, >> gets the bids or you just put it out
there and then people that >> Oh, they do it. They do it. Okay. >> I just making sure it wasn't us. >> Yeah. for just >> Yeah, we'll >> we'll prepare we'll prepare an
advertisement for bids and that you put in in your paper >> uh you know a week prior to >> and >> is it electronic opening >> uh we we do it in person typically um obviously we can we can do electronic I
think >> but it doesn't matter to me I guess but do do you come down here. We open it here. Open all those bids here. >> Yeah, usually um myself or Dwayne or um another project manager would, you know, be on site, open them, read them aloud,
um present um or give the copy to the city and then we would take the um the actual version back with us to review and then, you know, help help you through the decision. Um hopefully
between a good handful of bids. >> You do all the work of uh making sure everything is >> Yep. background checks. >> All of it. Yep. Okay. Good. >> Do you have any um materials or things for advertising that you could be
shooting to our our um committee or for fundraising, that type of stuff? >> Yeah. >> Uh I can reach out to Shannon. She uh she just got back in the office. Um see what what kind of material we can assist you on fundraising again.
>> What what are your thoughts, Jordan, about our deficit and what we need to do to get to the number? What are your thoughts? >> Um I mean I think you guys got a good plan set aside or set ahead of you to, you know, start some activity out there
and then see where that goes. Hopefully it'll respspark some um desire in the community, but um yeah, just community outreach >> likelihood we're going to end up with fun loan
>> it up. But again, as many bids come back >> and once action starts, I think that'll help. Yeah. And and that too with a loan, we'll continue to fund raise even after it's open, you know, because we're still going to be having theoretically if we can raise a certain amount of
money each year, even after to help with the debt service on that, >> then we're going to pay it off much quicker >> and it'll just be gone. It'll be done and gone. We'll have the pool there. So, and I've been buying lottery tickets, you know, that was my I can win the lottery then I then I'll go >> You do that, Brian.
>> Yeah. And then we'll name the pool after you. Let's see. We got 49 more years until the next pool. So, we better start now. >> Sure. >> We just can't find anybody that wants to buy them. >> We've kind of said that. >> Yeah. On Facebook, >> like if you donate this amount, you
could it could be called you. >> We originally >> can't remember who else we've offered that to >> 51%. So, if you could come up with the 2.3 million, you could have it. Now we're up to like if you just give us
$800,000 >> Mary's pool. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> For the small price of 1.3. No. >> She's retired. I can't do that. >> $100,000 per letter. >> No. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Thanks, guys. [Music] So, have we gotten any feedback from Treasure Island? >> So, working working through their lobbyist um
>> Grant, not Grant. Grant's brother. Grant is the president now. >> Yeah. >> Um Oh, shoot. I can't remember his name. But I've been sending him emails, including Paul Peterman, and he said, "Yep, yep. Let me just make sure I I know who to get you in front of. And then I didn't hear back again. So I need
to send another email. >> It is tough when you're trying the people that they they don't really like, oh yeah, let me give you money. You know, they do ignore us quite a bit >> and then you got to be their thorn in their side. >> Oh, it's ugly.
>> Yes. And that felt >> some shambles. >> Um, you know, and persistence with bigger, you know, DFA. Um, yeah. Treasure Island, Redwing Shoe, donate a
bunch of money out at the fairgrounds. It's just those places. And then how can we get how can we convince these other bigger ones that we don't need the 501c3? We're a nonprofit. We're government >> with a resolution >> near and dear to their heart though. You
know, you get those companies that they probably have family that does >> it. It's going to take calling somebody rather than just going on the website. You got to call and call and finally get to the right person to talk to, >> right? >> But it all takes time, you know.
>> But yeah, we'll continue to fund raise soon. But I think we got to get the pool going. >> We got to make it happen. That's not >> 3,600,000. >> Yeah.
>> Plus maybe some inkind. It might be 3,800,000. We might be we might be getting close to $4 million with some of the other fundraising. You know, to not do it and incur another 426,000
of interest in a year because we didn't do it doesn't make any sense either. everyone. >> Well, the previous committee was deflated when we didn't build a >> 11 million pool with a lazy. >> Well, we were looking at the emails.
There's been a lot of people that have been involved that have now stepped away many times. >> So, >> yeah. >> Hold on. We hired Burbach in 19. No, not tonight. Yeah, 2019. >> Started talking about it in 2018, something like that. million. Now, how much it would cost
>> exactly? I don't want to depress any of us, but I'd like to take our $4.6 million and go back to the 2018 or 19 budgetary thing and look what we would have boughten if we would have just said, "Hey, this one looks good. Let's go right now." >> Well, you could we could have had the
Chatfield pool built built here already, >> right? Because we're just getting a fraction. Yeah, >> that's what Burbach Dodge >> was previous to 2020, >> all of their estimates that they were giving us, right? >> Yeah.
>> Smaller the pool gets. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. And it's if we wait some more. >> Yeah. >> You and that's the other option too. There's value engineering that can be done >> to whittle away that deficit too, which would be >> not having the slide, which would be
horrible. Even taking that vault out doesn't save much money. So, >> at some point, we just have to have faith and get it done. >> Good bids. I think they're >> Yeah, that's why I hope they definitely >> try to get local bids because I got your
specialized stuff. >> You want to keep your money, you know? >> I know. I didn't want to like jaw drop electric. Like I just can't get over those lights. Like >> $100,000 for lights. >> That's insane. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. A lot of those things. >> I don't know. >> And they're not included in the bid.
They're not included in our donations yet. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We got >> So if we knew that and we could say, "Hey, look at this. We have people that are willing to give us a roof and to give us the the the gutters." >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. We should put that in the article that people are companies are willing to do that then maybe they would open up their purses a little bit, you know. >> Yeah. Because those are huge budget items that are going to come off of our four million dollar pool.
>> We got to get that out there so people know that. >> Shorter the how much we're short out there. >> That's because people need to know that too because I think there's more money out there. People are just kind of waiting. I haven't donated yet other than all the
stuff I bought along the way for for these type of things, you know. >> Who is responsible then for >> Well, no, it's >> right. Who is responsible then for putting all of this information together concisely and getting it to the newspaper and getting it out there? me
>> and >> you've done I mean both him and Brea have been on the news recently and >> I mean we go on social media often and >> so at our last work session council directed me to put something in the paper.
>> I can't really put anything in there about an inch of fund loan because we don't know we don't know how much it would be. We don't know what impact it would be. Um but we can put out there that we're a million dollar short give or take. And this is what we're doing and this is what we need
>> from the people. >> Yep. This is where we're at. >> Is it really a million or I thought we were closer than that >> because I feel like if it's a little bit >> that we're 200 to $300,000 is what Burbach said for inind once we have the bidding you know. So if it's 200 then
we're at 800,000 short. >> I just have to choose our words very like when I hear we're a million I think that's not >> doable >> feasable. So, I feel like if we go, hey, we are $500,000 short, people go I mean, I'm just figuratively speaking like then
it's like, oh, okay, we could >> put some in there then just saying that, you know, right now we're Yeah, I don't know how to how to I don't want to tell them something that's not true either, but >> agreed. I just when I saw the news and
said we're a million dollars short, I immediately called Tor and went, "We're a million dollars short? I thought we were more than that. I thought we were at I mean I even thought we were more than that >> to have another 100,000 in the pool or you guys might if we can tighten that up
and what we need for the operating because Kim's pretty conservative which I appreciate but if I go back and say you know let's tighten that up and see how much more you know you know so if it's if we get lucky and we get 300,000 in in kind and we have another 100
that's 400 then we're to 600,000 but I don't And then but then that's a smaller loan. >> So does the city ever pay for part of it? >> Like city itself, you know, like when we need a new library or city hall, who
pays for those things or is it all funded? It's all >> that's all bunded. Okay. >> The city itself >> doesn't pay for anything. It's your taxpayer dollar, right? Well, that's the only way we have money unless we go get grants or and and >> $200,000 of of theoretical city dollars
already went into this. We're the biggest donor so far. >> So, it's not like they have a city funds, right? I just wasn't sure how it worked. Like, you know, like you said, Pine Island did theirs and I was they didn't bond for it. Correct. I was trying to understand >> didn't bond for theirs. No, they did.
They did bond, but they didn't have it wasn't as difficult for them because they allocate the money for like our roads are paid for by our city taxes, right? >> Well, we have Yeah. Our fees, >> property tax,
>> fees, you know, our taxes and >> we have an infrastructure. >> A lot of the money that we're giving the city and our taxes are being earmarked for set projects that have to be done. If you go down and live in Pine Island, if the road gets done in front of your house, you're going to get an assessment
for that along with the taxes that you're paying. >> But it's it's a certain percentage. The city is still paying for most of it. >> And it's a decreasing percentage now because it's harder and harder to prove. >> Our taxes are paying a higher flow of money into the city for them to have to
play with and do things with. It was what the point was. >> Well, yeah. and Pan Island bonded. I don't know how much of theirs they bonded for if it was the whole thing, but >> they got themselves into trouble because they put a nice elaborate picture out there with everything on it >> and then they didn't put the slide in. They didn't put anything in a lot of
that stuff and people were mad. But again, they told them this is not included and for this amount. So that's why we were very careful. All you saw in that picture was whatever we were going to do. >> Um >> it's better to show less and give more.
Yeah, absolutely. Pan Island spending 600,000 five to 600,000 on that SL slide. >> Five for sure. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because I think I think it was over five because Todd said that because I said that to Todd one day and he said, "I wish it was five." >> So I think it went over 500,000 for that
slide they're putting in now. >> But yeah, each community's finances are a little bit different. You know, ours are changing because we're gonna we're going to a tiered bonding model of getting roads done. We're gonna be able to do more roads. We're combining two projects, I guess,
two, wasn't it? >> Into one year here, uh, by doing bonding rather than the old cash model where you had to wait and encumber all that cash. Um, so we'll get roads done quicker. And the tiered bonding model theoretically will free up dollars as well. Um,
smart debt is okay for an entity that's not going to retire. You know, no debt is good for us. Retire >> and then you have 500,000 to put towards the pool once you retire. >> No.
>> As much as I'd like to, I have to say no. >> Yeah. No, I know. I know. But uh but yeah, I think there's a lot of people kind of just like me too kind of waiting a little bit to put the dollars in there because what do you need? How much do you need? How big do I need? >> I hear that all the time like I'm
waiting to see things happen before I give and like Yeah. Like I'm just waiting. >> Yeah. >> I'll talk about that big sign too. um to put up a just a piece of plywood post and then a big
>> laminated sign showing the >> Yeah. >> the future pool, you know, in all its glory with the canopies and everything, >> right? >> Just to get people excited. >> I think once they see that, they'll get more excited about it again and starting a sales tax as well for that stuff.
>> That's how a lot of communities build their pool. >> They do a a sales tax. You know, we don't necessarily want to go that way. But >> we got such a good >> They were going to do like a match thing, but they never did.
>> I know. I really think if we can get on a round up somewhere, it would be good. >> I'm sad that like Neielson wouldn't do that. I think that'd be good. >> I talked to Nick today and I didn't get a chance to ask him about that. >> I just think if they would round up, we could get a lot of money that way.
They said they've told me too that they wanted to do something like a >> They gave 5,000. Was it 5,000? Yeah. >> Did they >> says? Yeah, they pledged. >> They're on the list.
>> But yeah, if we can do that round up. >> Well, we get I know that was we talked about that, too. >> But maybe we can get >> You want a round up for can do it? Can the McDonald's? Yeah. Who anybody talk to McDonald's? >> I know. Um
>> or does that need to be a 501c? >> Yeah. For Ronald McDonald House, >> the local Ronald McDonald House. Yes. >> No. Um >> money, can't they? I wonder did anybody talk to them? >> Who?
>> McDonald's. >> Somebody must. >> Now, they donated and so did Homestead, but it's like $1,000. gave. >> Mayor gave 500 or maybe gave 1500 or mayor gave a,000. >> Homestead isn't even in town and they
gave more than they so >> so Paul went back to them too and said no this is yeah I hated to even put it out there but >> again just like this little committee reaching out you know >> they are >> they are ones that like
>> they're regional they are reooking at their benevolent giving and how it's done. So we could stand it be kind of like a quick trip. We could stand to see some more from them. >> It was just like the Sam's Clubs, the Walmart, Costco, Target, Shields. They're all like if you're looking for donations for gift cards or this kind of
thing, here we go. But if you want big money, you have to go through these channels and then they all kind of require that. >> Well, maybe we should get a bunch of gift cards, raffle them off as a fundraiser for the pool. Yeah, I thought >> if they'll give us a bunch of gift
cards, >> that's another fundraising idea. We're going to have to do another big thing that's going to even if it raises $20,000 just changed some of their gambling. >> I was just thinking of that because I thought I thought about doing some kind
of a race like a duck race and you could win like a family pass. But >> because you know how you we used to be able to put baskets together with um raffle tickets. >> Oh, sure. are not wrapped typically with lottery tickets. You can't do that anymore. The state has said no more
>> because they feel that they're missing out on the tax. Well, if somebody bought it and taxed it already saying you can't do that if you get caught with it, you're going to get in trouble now. >> But yeah, >> so at this point >> I think it'd just be easier if one of us
volunteered to rob a bank. You'll be out before the pool's constructed anyway. So >> this is being this is being recorded. So that's a >> this is Yeah. apolog [Laughter] but but I think with a lot of things like Costco and all of them you got to
talk to somebody >> rather than going to the website >> but how do you get to somebody and Walmart both myself and talk to managers >> she's right the big ones you have to follow their process and their process all goes through a 501c3 because they
got a lawyer saying, "Nope, this is the only way you're going to donate your money because these are the channels." So, >> she ran into a 501c3 thing, too. She was going to use that the resolution saying that we're going to accept donations for this purpose and we're
>> what's the resolution say? >> We're going to accept donations for the pool basically >> from the city. And that and that's what you have to do. >> We had a very uh very >> good guidance from our city attorney at the time. >> That's how >> that we need to do that resolution. So >> I mean that's how you were able to
collect money for the memorial out there with the resolution. >> The memorial was the same thing. Same resolution for the memorial. But we have to get out there and that's why I have to I have to put everybody's name on there and how much they donated which didn't which rubbed the thread in the wrong way because they're like what are you doing? I'm like I have to
>> Yeah. >> It's the law. Yeah, >> I was in there for like >> for that memorial. I was in there for 25 bucks cuz I bought up the hatch. I'm like, well, that looks pretty cheap, >> but it was had to be in there. >> All right. Well, we should move on here. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thanks for coming, guys. Appreciate you. >> Thanks for coming. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you for all your work. >> Think of all court update. >> Can we afford to turn the lights off? >> Yes. I don't think we've ever had a meeting go long enough to turn the lights on.
>> Oh, you were here with Fred, weren't you? >> Dark out here, right? >> Pickle ball. Who's got the pickle ball? >> I don't know if anybody does. We were just last meeting
we got estimates. Oh, I think it was last time. Yep. Do you remember exactly what the costs were of that stuff? >> 15,000. I believe >> that's to paint it and to put the
boards. >> We'd be We're done a little bit on that, but it Yeah, it was it was roughly close to that. Plus the painting, >> right? They got a grant for playground. They're
on the playground. But that might have to be a maybe that goes on the future capital planning list. Um maybe finish the other things that no frisbee golf and >> bath b >> and just kind of hold off on you know
make sure that's because I'd love to see that. I just we just ordered some pickle ball >> paddles. We haven't played yet but >> my daughter said that's you know a lot of elderly people do that. So she thought we'd be we could do that >> after that stuff's done. And I think that that has to be a
huge priority of this board to get those pickle ball courts done. I think it will add a ton to the park and bring in people. It'll have people just walking down there to play. I mean, they use it now and it's in rough shape. So it's if
you have and you know I think I said this before but you know in Pine Island it's busy constantly and it's used and it's you know I think if we did that for that double use it would be huge. But I do understand that we
need to finish what we started first absolutely. Um but I think we can't let this fall by the wayside. If we got to do it in stages then so be it. But I think yeah, I think we need to get that done. That's a golden opportunity. It
took us so long just to get that slab down there and now to get that to do it to completion I think is real important. >> Well, yeah. If you're looking at boards too, that that's good for the hockey as well. >> Correct. >> It is in the flood plane, but my
understanding so islands >> you just have to have things that >> removable on each end. Yeah. >> Correct. Yep. Where I was always told, no way we can't put anything down, >> right? >> That make it a lot easier for the transition over into the winter, too. You wouldn't have to get the stuff out.
They'd be all there and >> get the fire department out with fundraising all day. >> I wonder if they would donate some money for permanent boards. >> They could do some fun raising. >> Well, yeah. They don't have money to donate per se, but they can help fund
this. >> For sure. Yeah. >> Yep. But yeah. No, I think that is a good good priority. Then you have the opposite. The problem you have then is then people that's territorial. Then you get people that no, we're using it from this time to this time and >> right >> that's what P Island deals with.
>> They get clubs in there and they want to take over and they're like no it's got to be open, right? >> But yeah, it's a good problem to have. Yeah. >> Facility to And we start just like we have here with the ball field. You have a Google calendar where you sign up and self
self-manage it and try and do that. But um >> if no more discussion on the pickle ball course, we can move on to ballfield dugouts. >> Um just need the last little fencing to wrap up the back end of those. Otherwise, they were very well received
um by the youth that used them all summer. Now their league is over. for the women's softball league is over. So, um we have a very very small window of opportunity here for the volunteers who are still interested in that facility to
get going before school starts back up again before summer vacations wrap up to try and wrap up that volunteer labor. So, need to get that material that was approved a couple months ago >> y >> finalized, purchased, and out there and
get that going. So, I'm working with the two coaches that have the volunteer staff. >> Awesome. >> And trying to talk about that. >> Yeah. I didn't know if Did you get a Did you get a parts list or anything? >> I never got a parts list. I got
pictures. I never got into Menard's to say, "Hey, this is where the final thing ended up." But I never got a final parts list cuz ideally when it was originally drafted up, hopefully the piping and all the stuff that was there >> would work. And now that the posts are on the outside, now we're going out
further with the fence. And so we're trying to incorporate the fence as part of the wooden and trying to fabricate it together versus it used to be separate. >> Maybe some pictures and lengths will be enough to get a >> right. So do you have time to do that or
is that something that you could do for us? >> Well, it's you guys are going to try and self-perform it at this point yet with your volunteer labor yet, >> right? or or if or just get the quotes >> or if we can just get the materials and figure out how it's going to get laid out between the two of us, we should be able to figure out how it goes. It it
shouldn't be more than a weekend project to knock that out. It's not it's not >> Yes, absolutely. There's no reason that shouldn't get finalized. >> Yeah. Whether it be Yeah. Menards or if that's not feasible, I know Billy Cruz could probably down in Zepa could get us
the if we need to make longer lengths, you know, or something like that. >> Correct. >> Yep. outside of that realm. But >> yep. >> No, I don't think so. >> Cross some items off our list. >> 2026, start working on the pickle ball.
>> Well, I do want to do capital planning with maybe a couple of individuals off the, you know, the park board. That's been a goal of mine. Now, I've got miles here. I've got a little bit well hopefully I have a little bit more time coming up >> but yeah just a whole
>> just like that well it take the whole park board to put together the list maybe we've got the list or most of it but you know we want to take a 10 10 year look at hey what would be good idea 10 years >> right yes >> because a lot of times for these bigger grants they're looking for that too and they're looking for what you've done so
we would include a couple of those things like the campground >> if we go apply for another grant for something bigger >> and say you know these these are our goal. We've already done this with our money >> bath house. >> We need help with with whatever the >> pickle ball,
>> you know, maybe get a grant for that. Um, but yeah, the capital planning is a we need to do that. And I I think we can just sit down, hammer through that, get a process. >> Just haven't gotten it started yet. >> Yeah, going into next year, that's a good goal to have, too.
We should talk to Active PT and see if they would give us some money for the pickle ball because then the injuries from there will fund them. >> Um, update on the Frisbee golf. We are looking into applying for a grant for
some additional funds to help the shortage where we are at to try and get the tea boxes. So, we're going to work with some local contractors to see if they can produce some concrete teapads for teeing off. Um, along with
purchasing some signage for around the baskets to say what hole it is, some additional signage to go on top of the basket baskets to say where the next tea box is located. and then redoing the map of the course out there along with we usually have a sign at the beginning of
each tea box that says this is the course, this is the layout just like you would at a normal golf course or anything. But that's been the number one complaint over the last summer and a half is like hey got these nice new baskets out there but if you don't have the udisk app, >> you don't know where you're starting
from. You don't know where the next one's going to. So you're flying blind. >> Yep. So the serious golfers are still using it. The amateur guys are just kind fumbling around and not enjoying it as much as they could. It's very much like our pickle ball. >> It's like 70 80% of the way there and
then we just kind of stopped. >> So, we just need to have that tenacity to find finalize it, finish it all the way through. >> $10,000 small cities grant I believe is what it is. So, >> $2,500 match. We might not even need the whole 10,000.
I don't know. But yeah, Kurt, Dr. Troy, I was I was glad you answered this call. I was going to tell you see this number. >> I saw city hall and I figured it might have something to do with the main tonight. So, so I called me on the city number. So, >> we could be able to target a $2,500 match. All you have to do is go and ask
somebody. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think >> Yep. >> But get the numbers together first. Let's do the T boxes right rather than smaller or you know. >> Yeah. Only do them once. >> Exactly. >> Get it all done right because it'll be used a lot.
As long as we get the sign there, then we can leave space. I told him to contact this PNK >> to talk about the sign as well as he was going to call Shad Tracy or no too to ask them about a sign, what it would cost, but we could leave space on there for future sponsorship. And
then the rings is my understanding, >> right? >> You can put a sponsorship on there at some point as well too if the parkboard would want to say, "Hey, anybody wants to sponsor this then?" So, >> so like the UDISK site and all that stuff, we had that before when we had
that local volunteer come in and help us that shows us all that stuff. There is opportunity there to buy signage and do all that type of stuff that we could get done. And I still believe that sponsorship for 18 different holes and the baskets and all that stuff. There's
ample opportunity to fund raise and improve and maybe even make it an annual thing. I would definitely make an annual thing to keep that money flowing in because I think much like when we did the banner thing six years ago out there, people start fighting for the
prime spot like, "Oo, I want that basket that's right up near the park road. >> That's where I want my business name on that one, you know, versus the one that's way back in the corner. Maybe they don't want maybe that's a $50 sponsorship, but the one that's right near the park entrance, that's if you
want hole number one, that's $200, you know." That's awesome. >> Yep. So definitely opportunity. Um we already did the budget. No new business. >> Reports have already been done. So or do
you have reports? [Music] >> That's okay. Jeff and Kim put together all the numbers. >> That's where we're at today. >> Yep. I'm just And at 8,500, um that was approved last time for the I don't know
if you've been out there. We re- rocked the road at put a new culbert in and did some reshaping and took a the grass island out of the back and the culde-sac and turned it all into rock >> for for turnaround. We will be working on um which I think has to be done by
the state or whatever. We will be working on that emergency exit here before the festival up into the um pool parking lot. >> Parking lot. Yep. >> That's all. So awesome. >> Uh I think it's on the other side of Down is where it's going.
>> It can be anywhere. We were trying to avoid young trees as much as possible up there without having to >> go between campers. >> Yeah, I can look I can look at that avenue. >> The only thing we run into is that uh deep ditch
once we cross the trail there where back by the uh >> uh it kind of mellows out. We were kind of trying to get to that little there's a little corner bulb in that park in the pool parking lot. That was kind of where we were going to knock the curb out and make a drive over
>> down there. place, but then they bring vehicles in till they leave for the night and then come back with more stuff to put in. And so they'll come through that way. They did that last year as well. But other than that, it'll never be used unless
there's a flood. Really? >> Right. >> And we got to pull people out quick. >> Yep. >> So I I think they were talking and I don't know if that was something that was said, but they're talking it'll be gated at the top >> or closed off. So, I'm >> sure that'll help with the phone calls from the residents if that was closed
off. So, you don't have people in the neighborhood going, "Hey, >> why do I have so and so cutting through here all the time?" >> golf carts coming through, >> right? >> So, yes. Okay. Yeah. potentially. Yeah, if we can relook at
the route, but then where we kind of picked it out there with the street crew or whatever, there'll be will be one pine tree mature pine tree that has to come down and a stump that was a asht tree removal that's still there. So, that would have to come come out, but
>> I think we're still well under. Yeah, that's good. >> If no further discussion, as I like to say, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. >> So move. >> I'll second. >> It's been moved and seconded. We are adjourned. Thank you guys.
>> Good stuff. >> Thank you for getting all those folks here. >> Oh, yeah. I was I thought Troy was