This conference will now be recorded. We have a quorum present. We'll go to item two. Then adopt the agenda with the exception of the date on the top of the agenda. Is there any other additions or corrections to the agenda?
I'm from staff. Okay. Get a motion to approve this. I'll make a motion. Second. Okay. All those in favor say I. I. Post say nay. Motion carries 600 Z. Um,
next, approve minutes of the June 10th, 2025 regular meetings, which I have another copy of those with you. If I wasn't here, I can't comment whether they're good or bad. But thank you, by the way, Kim, for chairing the meeting.
I make a motion that we accept the minutes of the last meeting. Second. It's been moved and second that we approve the minutes as printed. All those in favor say I. I. Post say nay. Motion carries. 60. Okay. Public hearing. We have none
scheduled that I I don't believe there's none scheduled. So we'll move on to item five old business. Uh yes chair and commissioner commissioners. Um so I have brought tonight two quotes that I've received from American Legal Publishing and uni
code for possible ordinance codification. And just to kind of remind you guys um just what this was. It was about the process for doing updating our code book, our large code one, just
general ordinances and our zoning code as well. And this would be put into an online program, make it easier for citizens to access, look through code, kind of just type things out, and then just a more searchable format. I've brought two examples from two other
cities that I can show you as well. I'll pull up here in a second. Um, from both from both companies as well. They look the same for the most part. It's mostly just about the meaning, you know, the stuff and the details is what, you know, what we're dealing with. So, um, I brought some quotes and kind of here for
ready for some discussion on them. Um, I didn't print out the whole things because they're very large and lots of, you know, unnecessary words in there. But, um, just kind of seeing what our thoughts are on doing this. We definitely don't have to. It's mostly a want. So, we do have money put away. We
have I talked with Kim and our exact budget's around $15,000. So, that's what we have currently that we could make work immediately. Um, both these quotes we would not have to pay the whole thing up front. It's a down payment. We pay as we go as things are taken care of. So,
it's like $4,000 now, which we have. So, there's no no budget impact currently. Looking ahead in the future though, both these quotes will have recurring costs with them. And those can range the low end would be $600 and that would be on
the very low end, which I would not advise. However, on the higher end, it could range up to $3,000 if we so wanted to do that. Whatever we would like to do, we can make it work. We can just talk through some of those costs because they're not mandatory. Some of them are
add-ons, but they may be useful now or in the future as well. So it's just updates or the the the 3,000 the 600 to 3,000. What is that for again? That would be for recurring costs. So we have to pay like example is for MUN code
their quote is for about $12,500 now and most of that's for legal fees. So the attorneys will review um they can do their whole labor cost paying to ship the whole book to us um printing all those materials. But the recurring cost
would be like the range would be $3,000 at the highest, which would be for a whole bundle of options. So that would be we want to have some custom options on there, like we want the letter head on there, or we want um you know, we want extra ordinance review, we can put
all of our ordinances back from like 1850 on there if we really wanted to. So things like that, these extra kind of links, um, which I I don't feel as though are all necessary, but if you do all of them, you do get a discount, but that's where the $3,000 comes from
there. Nina Code in particular, they have a mandatory recurring fee of $1,700 a year, and that's for general updates. It's the same with American Legal, it's just a little bit higher. But I do feel as though with Mini Code that recurring cost is a little bit better because we
get more services out of that recurring cost. So we do pay extra with Mini Code, but there's in my opinion a larger benefit to it because they provide more overall general service than American Legal does. However, both these are
pretty flexible and they're kind of in the same price range generally speaking because they're both do the same exact thing. Um, I'll show you the demo with the two cities that I had pulled up with American Legals, which is from Lewon, Minnesota. This is this is what
it looks like. So, this is what the final product would look like online. So if you want if you're looking for dogs, you can just kind of click around learning about animal ordinances, which I've been working on.
What do dogs know in all? So if you're looking for dogs, you can kind of just click through um and oh, there's animals. You can kind of click and look around and that's everything listed out. You can copy and paste it.
There's links for like the fee schedule in there which are just nice and useful because if you're like I don't know what the fee is, you can now just click and see. This is this is the American legal. This is what American legal the click's intuitive enough. I mean you got to the animals. I don't know. I
would have been clicking around a lot more than you and I know that just because you've been you can search. Oh then the search. Yep. Yeah. There's Yeah, there's a search bar. It's the same as if you did like control find on YF book as well. So then like when we would change ordinances in our host committee um they could change them in
there. Yep. That's and just notify them and Yeah. We do them on a schedule basis. So like once every six months we would reach out to them and say hey we passed these ordinances during this stretch. Can you update it? It wouldn't be updated automatically of course. That's
why we do those schedules. Yeah. But you know within time it's a lot quicker than us doing it. I can promise you that because we have to print off the whole book, right? Every time we make an amendment or any change, I have a book now that's about this thick from 20 years ago.
Yeah, that's how much room they take. And for reference, this is currently what ours looks like right now on the website. So, if you go look on the website and you're looking for our ordinances, this is what it looks when you pull it up. And yeah, it's just a lot harder. I mean,
it's 358 pages. And if you're looking for anything, you can control fine for it, but it's just a lot more difficult. And this way, anybody could look it up, right? Yep. Anyone can look it up. You can see history, so they'll add, you know, when
we make an amendment, you can see previous versions of that ordinance as well. So, it tracks us throughout time. So, it's kind of a partnership to do this. Um, and you know, you're paying for service, but we also do get the extra services like the legal review. um
you know they they will be updating and modernizing our code. One of the uh suggestions they have which is pretty generalized anyway but like general neutralization like there's a lot of our old ordinances that say him
in there or her in there when they would just say they instead because it's just more legalized and modernized and makes the lawyers a little bit happier when it's just like that. Okay. And then for reference, chatfield has
mimic code, for example. So this is what mimi code looks like. Looks the same. It looks the same. It's a I would say it's a little bit more user friendly. There's the clicks are a little bit faster. You can kind of breeze through things a little bit quicker in my
opinion. So if I was looking for animals, there's a chapter of animals in the chat field. But if I was looking up I'm looking up dogs. Both the programs are going to have you can just search it like a library almost whereas all these you can look for any reference of dogs. So if I did
the same thing with American Eagle it would do the same exact thing. So basically they're the same program but this one is a little more user friendly you say. I would say or yeah I would say Mimi code is more but also like it does cost more as well and
so cost a lot more there's there's a difference I can kind of $1,000 or something code was cheaper slightly wasn't it 12 something versus 14 something for the one time cost recurring cost
meaning code would cost more over time so I mean over time yes it would cost a lot more time per time $500 or $5,000. It it depends. All I can kind of walk through each of these have specific kind
of provisions. Something that we really have and where is the budget for the recurring costs? Does that come from? Is that we would have to build it in. So we would build in those additional costs. So now we have $15,000 to use to get it started. That's right. Yep. And we were kind of
saying that that's for the onetime fee of getting because this is going to take two years to do. So we wouldn't even be doing these recurring costs until it's ready. So we still have at least 18 months before we're even actually building that and giving us a lot of
time to add that potentially thousand recurring cost. And to point out as well, most cities have this type of program. It's just kind of which one you do. I would say generally as I was kind of researching typically smaller cities
around our size would have American Legal. I would say Chatfield is an exception from what I could tell but lots of larger cities would have MUN code but that's also because they can withstand the cost much better as well.
One question comes to mind if uh say three years down the road the city council says we just don't have the money to pay the recurring costs. Does that lock us out of the electronic version of this or is that something that we own? We would be we would have the ordinance
book that they have done but the online code like that what I showed you that would be gone because that's that's what the yearly cost is for. It's so that they host the site for us. Okay. And so they run it for us. You know what the recurring cost would be after this gets all done and then we
have to you pay yearly to get $1,700 from uni code. Right. Yep. If we had nothing, which includes not having the website, it would cost $1,700 a year. But if we do the website, which is definitely something I would
like to do because I think that's kind of a lot of the point we're doing this. It would be about it would be $2,200 a year for MUN code. So every year we're paying $2,200 a year if we just did what we are mandatory
supposed to do. and the website. So, that's the bare bones would be $2,200 a year. Now, if we wanted to add on, like one thing I had is I they would provide
for $175 a year, we could get the whole book of ordinances in a Microsoft Word document, which would be super helpful because as we do our code updates in code committee, I can just use that instead of what I have to do now, which takes a lot of more staff time and
resources, just scan in the ordinance and then convert it and then do all my work from there. This would just be updated and provided to us without me having to do it myself, which would be helpful, I would say. I would say worth
the $175 in printing anyway um alone. So, that's something that I think would be bene beneficial. In the original quote, Uni Code has us paying 3,000 I think it's $3,775.
Yep. Yep. That's correct. Yep. $3,75 a year right now. But that extra $1,000 comes in. They have locked they have put us in the premium bundle which includes some add-ons like an ordinance bank of that
history stuff, you know, links to other, you know, maybe state statutes, some extra things like that. I personally do not feel that those are necessary. We can still if we did all those again, we can add them on later. If we want them, we can
get them later, but the cost would go up for those because we're getting a discount for them currently. So, we could do everything for $3,000 a year, which is great, but it is a way larger expense. And that would include this these updates, the 3,000.
Yep. We I we're going to get the updates no matter what because that's what we're paying for with a yearly subscription. That's that original $1,700. We pay for updates every single year. That's basically what that costs us for. We can get whatever update we want, no
questions asked. But these other add-ons is where we get that additional up to the 3,000. So the base minimum is $1,700 a year. But in my opinion, it's $2,200 because of the site hosting for the website as well. So that's kind of the base. It's
just kind of what we do from there. If we wanted to go that route, we can. If we want to do the premium bundle and do everything, that's totally fine. We can make it work. Kim is totally fine with it. I kind of ch chatted with her earlier. She said she's completely fine
with whatever we choose to do just cuz she doesn't. It's not a big cost. We can work it in. We can build it in over time. Again, we don't have to do it for really another 18 months or so anyway since we're paying kind of in increments as we get there. So, we could do that.
So, that would be decided for the annual cost recurring. We could we have time to look at that and think about that a year or two down the road anyway. Yeah. And to be honest with you, let's say today we're like not sure what we want and you want me to get more information, kind of see how this
process goes. I can add it in at any time. I'm sure they will be glad to take our money at any point, I'm sure. What was the recurring cost in the American Legal? So, for American Legal, the upfront cost is a little bit higher. Their upfront
cost for both zoning and our code book is $14,500. Adding on, there's a setup fee for the site and things like that, which is $795. And then their recurring fee flat is
$595 a year. However, that cost increases every year, 2%. So it would add $12 a year. So a lot less. I mean, it's basically nothing, but that 2% will grow and compound over time. So it is a lot less. And they also have a lot of
add-ons, but they didn't have it built in as well. So, and a lot of the add-ons I also unnecessary, but they also cost a lot less, too. So, we're getting a lot of the same thing for a lot less cost.
But to add a lot of context and some of my workings with them, I would say Mini Code has been a lot easier to deal with than American Legal. I've been pulling a lot of teeth to get a lot of information out of American Legal and General Responses has been a little bit harder.
I don't know if that weighs in. I will work with either of them. It'd be no problem at all. But and a lot of other cities have worked with American Legal, no problem. But I would just say communication wise, Uni Code has been a lot better. But they also have a larger organization.
They have I've been dealing with a lot of salesmen. So we know salesman tactics, right? They're going to get our money. They're going to go and try to get it for sure. So And what is the name of the one that Chatfield has the name of it? That'd be MUN code. MUN code. Municipal
like municipal mu n i code. Mi code. Yep. And this is what they do across the nation. Both of them do this across the nation. It's kind of their whole business model, but uni code obviously it's in the name as well. Um and that's kind of the one that you're
leaning to uni code, isn't it? I that that would be my staff recommendation. I think there is an additional cost every year, but there is a larger upfront cost with American Legal. It's user friendly, more user friendly. You said in my opinion, I just think it's a
little bit more in your face. And I do think our city is going to grow in accordance with that as in over time we're going to see increase amount of people that live here and it might be easier to do it because I don't think they have the increases that American Legal has where they have
the 2% increase every year. And when we think of that cost compared to the amount of households there are in Zambroa. I mean it's minimal generally speaking. Yeah. I mean obviously right now it's going to be a larger burden. You know that recurring
cost every year is a larger burden more substantial but I do think for what we get it it it does we're getting what we're paying for definitely. I do think American Legal is also very good too.
We get a great cost with them. The recurring cost is very great. We get a lot out of it. I think either work fine with staff. I think I'm okay with either. It's just more about specifically with mini code. It's going
to be those add-ons at the end. How much do we want to pay? What are we willing to pay for? And that base cost is $2,200 a year, which is significantly higher than American Legals. for many years it'll be so $3,000 difference between the two. Is
that it? Yeah. Yeah, it's about that. So, MUN codes upfront is 20 or Yeah. $12,500 upfront for uni code. American legal is 145. Yeah. So, that's the difference at the start,
but over time, you know, doing the math, it it'll equate out eventually very evenly. But, you know, it'll take a lot of time. Well, 3 years will cost more bigger than the recurring cost. It possibly it could. And, you know,
there's also add-ons we could do with American Legal as well. So, you know, yeah, I I don't want to give my opinion on it just because I I really think either is completely fine with me and, you know, I don't want to do the larger cost obviously for taxpayer purposes
just cuz it could be an unnecessary burden on taxpayers to add in an extra $2,000 a year potentially. Um, but when you divide it out like Zambroa, I mean that isn't even 6 months taxes for one house in Zimroda when you
think of it that way. And I don't know how many million dollars our budget is for Zro for running the city. Yeah. And we do I mean we have contingencies put aside like you know moneywise it's no problem. It's just kind of more over time like are we are are we okay with adding this into a
budget where we feel comfortable putting on a recurring cost like this to taxpayers? But I think it's important that we have one that's user friendly and that the office staff is thinking that it's the program to get y and if you have an issue that they're going to call you back. You don't have
to pull teeth. I mean that's always a big especially with a lengthy process. I think you know it's going to be 18 months and you know both of them are going to work very well I'm sure and American Legal will be great as well like they're not going to be a problem
it's just more uni code there's a lot of places I can contact when I've been dealing mostly with American Legal one person who hasn't been hasn't been super responsive I would say but enough to it's been fine but those are
considerations when it's the cost of doing business and something that's going to be big to get someone to answer the phone with Mun. Well, yeah. And I mean, what you can't necessarily factor in exactly um is your time, right? Because there's a cost
already that's being spent for the maintenance of the code as it is now. It's not really a line item that we can point. And so there's time that you're having to spend or someone or Miranda or
others are spending on updating these things that won't be happening that other activities could then be taking place that improve other using their efforts someplace else. Exactly. Even right now as I've been
working on obviously with code committee rewriting the animal ordinance I mean the format itself is you know it's out of date and a lot of this is going to get modernized and you know I'm having to manually do that and even that general neutralization I'm talking about
I spent a lot of time today just pulling out him and her out of our ordinance just so I could put in they instead. And so a lot of these things we won't have to deal with and they get to deal with that the code committee for enforcement. How what's the status of that? Is that
I mean the city formed that committee for how enforcing the codes and whatever it was is that the committee you're talking about? Yep. That's right. What's the status? Is that meeting still achieving anything or what's on it? Yeah. And what is the status? Is some action
happening or what's the progression? Now we're working on the dog. So what what are you doing? We've done with the trailer uh parking of trailers, parking of campers, uh services. Um that's been I think a year we've been working on that about
that ordinance will reappear at the first meeting in August for city council. So heads up on that one. The RV ordinance. Oh yeah, I mean that's going to that's going to when that came in the first time there wasn't there was standing room only even
out there it was unreal. Yes. Yeah. But currently right now we are doing the animal ordinance. So, it's been most I mean we I get suggestions and review from our committee but I am the one that's actually putting it in writing and revising the ordinance and then I'll
bring it back and codification work that will simplify the process for that committee then also because they're going to be doing some of those updates I believe so because they would be checking any state statute changes like today I spent about three hours doing
state statute changes for the animal ordinance itself they would be doing that for all of them. So then we can just focus on kind of those how do we want it to actually look compared to those mandatory changes. the example I didn't see is there a lot of cross references or when
they write it do they pretty much put it here and I would say you know for this part we go to here and then make do a lot of cross references you got to skip around to find out what your really answer is or I mean are you talking about animal or you just talking about general in general in general the way when they
do this codification and put it online I honestly don't know how it would look I don't know what the way they write the code but my anticipation is that they would just cite state statute if they're going to do it or site exactly what they're talking about and there would be a link to that
is how I would understand it. Yeah. Now, we're um there's there's different parts of the um ordinances that aren't clear and so um the police chief chief of police would like it to be stated so that when something does happen like a
somebody's got their trailer parked in front of the house where their dog is someplace it shouldn't be or whatever they've got an animal in town that is not that he can go to that statute and say because of this number 781, you know, you can't do this. Otherwise, he doesn't really have
any right to what he goes right tell the people. Well, and you also mentioned too that they would go through and if there's any contradictory language clarify all of that as well. So that's where this significant cost comes from. Those that onetime fee of, you
know, $14,000, that's where it's coming from because if we wanted to just put this on a site, cost us about 600 bucks and we could do it. You know, that's what the original quote was for is I want to put it on the site and do it like that. 700 bucks on one time setup and then
$500 every year. But the big cost comes from that legal review for everything we have. This takes 18 months. I mean, shouldn't we get started on this? Makes sense to have this first part done. Just keep thinking of the maintenance cost, the ongoing, but worst case scenario, we still got a hard copy.
We can say the heck with it and have our hard copy like what we do now. So, yep. I mean, if we wanted to pull out of the contract there, we would have to pay, you know, for it anyway. But I, you know, at the very minimum, if we were like, we don't want to do the site or anything like that, the very minimum,
we're getting a legal review for whole ordinance book and a whole new book itself, too. And I think once everybody got used to this, there'd be no thought of even pulling out because it's going to be so handy and so easy to use. I mean, I think so. I mean, I get a lot
of complaints about, you know, for, you know, I want to do I want to look through the zoning code about where I can put my fence, but it's so hard to find where the fence part is. It's just a lot easier if I can just go in and type fences in the whole section. Tell you what fes.
Yeah. Well, I just went through and I tried to do a comparison, right? Um so um MUN code is 12,450 with the reoccurring of what you're recommending at 2200 gets 14450.
So we're even under the current budget that gets us that one year of renewal. American Legals at 14,500 with a couple of their reoccurring as much as I could kind of do a comparison is $12.95. So they're actually more expensive
at 15,795. So 1,345 more. So who's more expensive? American Legal, right? Um so I would go with your recommendation. Yeah. Go with what you're saying, Miles. as
far as uni codes more accessible from a um customer service perspective. It it meets our budget and we have the reoccurring cost that yes it might be slightly more expensive but in the long in the broad spectrum of things it's not
a ton of questions. I will move to yes to recommend or whatever I want to say recommend that we um contract with MUN code for the zoning and ordinance code codification.
I would like to add as well as if I end up accepting one of these quotes possibly MUN code what I'll do is I will have what we talk about the minimum put in there. So that mandatory one we have to do that 1,700 and then the site
hosting as well. So I'll put in the minimum and then I'll talk about we want to build this over time so we can build a budget for this and we can talk more about what specifically we would like to have. I'll add probably that Microsoft Word thing just because I really want it
if that's okay with you guys. Um but you know going ahead we can have some time so we can actually build a budget for this. And it's again slightly higher, but I think they'll be okay with that. And as far as like that, you know, discount bundling if we wanted to do it
theoretically as a salesman would, he said he can get us that price for possibly the next few years. So if we were like, we want to do everything, we could get that price again. So it wouldn't be as expensive if we later down the line we were like, we want to do everything. Theoretically, we could
possibly still get that price of $3,000. on the floor. Is there a second? I'll second. Okay. Been moved and seconded that we recommend to city council the adoption of the MUN code um offer. Is there any other discussion?
Okay, we will call for a vote then. All those in favor say I. I. Say nay. Motion carries. 600 Z. Oh, yeah. I was saying five. Can't count. You're right. So, they're
all five minutes. Okay. Thank you. Um, new business, quarterly update, safe bill permitting. Uh, yes. Thank you, chair and commissioners. Um, so I was I wasn't able to do this for the first quarter um
since I wasn't hired yet. But kind of moving ahead, I would like to provide our planning commission with a permit review of our procedures and how many we're issuing, what the money looks like, um, and just providing that information every quarter. So this is
our second quarter update. I'll have another one in I believe it'll be September, I think will be the next one for the third quarter. But so this is justformational only and I'll be doing this going ahead. So it's mostly just for your review. You can look at you know permits that we're issuing by type
uh what you know how much how many fees we're getting and this is just for this quarter. So this is from April through June you know for the entire year. I think we're at about a hundred or so total. So we did a lot this quarter but that makes sense because it was April,
May, June. Um, so lots of our biggest ones I believe were the deck permits and re- roofs were our largest issues. Um, so we got we did the most of those. And so you can kind of see the amount of inspections we're doing, the plan
reviews, applications that we have, and issu permits issued. Who is doing the inspections nowadays? It's still uh safe built. So it these are just people we contract with through Inspect. Um, so they're still doing it for us. and we uh things have slowed
down a little bit because our previous inspector left. So, he took another job. So, we've been kind of in a little bit of a lull with who's doing inspections, but we have someone hired and I believe he's started doing them already. So, um
so we are back back in the swing of things. Um so, yeah, I I didn't have any anything of note with it. We didn't have any issues. So, um, I ask the commercial 200,000 what that
permit was, the very first one. Um, you know, uh, I believe that's for Comcast. I think it's for them. I think they're adding an addition on to their building. Okay.
If I were to guess, it would be that. Yeah. Any other questions for Miles on the report? Thank you, Miles. Other questions? Okay. Is there any other items to be brought up? Other none from staff.
I want to know what's going on. Whatever happened with the the bank, the um the company that was coming in to build the apartments. I know the last time the remember there was a hey they're supposed to have their their plans in. They're supposed to there was a deadline. They were pushing the deadline
again and again. Yep. Um, so we have they would like to start building August 1st, which is not going to happen, but that's mostly because we still have yet to receive exact plans.
It was going to happen in March. We were told first. Yeah. Well, they did the TIFF agreement in March, so we weren't Yeah, they didn't they were they were definitely not ready then. So that we've start we've we've had communication with them and meetings and our engineers have
started to look at plans. I have looked at some site plans but those are preliminary and I cannot provide them currently but I have seen things we are working on it. I'm currently writing the development agreement for them. So that
will be passed along to our engineers for review and everything will come in time but they're not going to start August 1st. They may start demolition August 1st. They have a permit to do so and that will probably happen, but there will be no building until we have things
shook out negotiation wise, but you'll see any agreements moving forward. Were they able to get that tiff um money that they wanted then? Uh yeah, council did approve the tiff money. I don't know the exact figure for it, but
they they were able to acquire that build. Yep. and they they're working entirely with grants as well from the state. So everything is funded for them. It's just a matter of time of like when do they want to send over things and when do they actually want to hash out the negotiations. So
yeah, what what's what's the hold what's the hold up? I still just I just think they're a little sneaky sneaky sneaky, but I could be wrong. My interpretation is and my interpretation is that they are working on multiple properties currently in a few different communities and so they are their time is stretched
with those. However, I also think that there is possibly a negotiation tactic on we are holding out as long as possible so that we can force the city to make additional concessions on things. Right. However, I mean if they start I mean that's what
I'm saying. If you start going ahead and demol demol demolitioning then they kind of got you there too. Well, they own the property so they can do whatever they would like. They can they can tear it down. Yep. They own it so it's completely theirs to do. They want to they can tear it down. I could sit there
without anything on it. Yep. If if any if something if let's say nothing were to happen, there really would be no skin off the city's back. We have no obligation to them. Yeah. Okay. if they for whatever reason throw away millions of dollars in grants, there's nothing hurting the
city. We haven't done anything. They own the property. So, I just curious. Yep. So, there's no there's no liability for the city currently right now. And I would say our agreement is very strong. They're not going to like it. So, that will be trimmed down of course through
negotiations. But as far, you know, it's a controversial building obviously and, you know, council and neither our planning commission is going to approve anything that the city would be hurt by. So, I would say we're in completely safe hands. Our attorney handles a lot of this as well. He's not going to let the
city get hurt. Um, our engineers definitely will not either. They're very thorough. Um, I'm working with them currently on, you know, reviewing some things and reviewing this development agreement as well. So, I would say nothing nothing
yet, but I would say there's definitely no reason to worry about the city's liability in this matter. Much happening on the development on 9inth Street East. Um, as far as I'm aware of, I don't think so. I think one lot has been sold maybe. Yeah, I think that they're maybe they're
starting something, but I think as from the last I heard that there's no movement on anything yet. So, I'm not too sure, but I haven't heard much about it. So, is the um the sewer project is that progressing or what? That's still in the plans. It's still in the plans. We have some
money for it as well. Um we are currently moved ahead in Senator Clolobashar, Senator Smith, Congressman Finstad's congressional spending. So, we're hoping that maybe we can get about 12 more million for it. So, we would probably I don't know what the figure
we're at, but we have stuff put away now. So, I think we're at maybe 10 to 15 million currently. That might be low, but I'm not too sure, honestly. So, we're hoping we can get up get that money from from Congress so we could be
at in the 20s range, but we're just hoping we can move ahead with other spending. We weren't named in the bonding bill from the state, so we don't have any exact dollars coming from the state currently for this year, but possibly we still may get some from this
year. Hopefully next year we'll be able to get. Is there any chance that money won't be there when they go to build this septic this sewer system? Um, they're cutting everything. I would say I mean, anything's a possibility. I
don't know from my angle specifically, but I do know that our city will not be hurt by any prolonged movement on this financing for it. We are in the best shape of any of the communities as that
I would say by far. I would say if anyone has to worry, it's any of the other communities around us. Good use. Good use plant will be closing in 2027 as well. So, they really want this to happen. So, And we are easily capable of
handling what we need in the meantime until this happens, but it'll happen eventually. It's just going to be slow moving. And we weren't even starting. We weren't going to even start to build for a few more years anyway, too. So, we still have lots of time to make this happen. But, it was kind of unfortunate
that the state legislature didn't name us in the bonding bill this year, but they didn't name any projects. So, we didn't get left out. They just chose not to name anything. So, we still may get some trickling in as well. The other thing I was going to ask is uh
vacancy on this board. Do we want to do anything else to try and recruit another member for the uh commission here or how do we stand? Yeah, because you know I'll be leaving for sure now. Yeah. Yeah. When is that going to take place? Um I my last meeting will probably be
October. Okay. Oh, you're resigning? I'm moving back to Arizona. Really? Mhm. Oh, I'm sorry. I know. All the right reasons though. Yeah, I was ting it right before.
Yeah. Not going back to July. Going up to Prescuit though, so it's it's cooler. It's 5,000 ft at least. So, son got to November and he says I ain't going for another winter. He moved to Arizona. as as as far as I know, you know, for our vacancy goes, I know Kim was talking
to someone about possibly joining, but I've had zero official interest. So, I've tried some different, you know, ways to actually get some interest, but they haven't been successful and engagement has been low on them. So, I don't know to be honest with you. I have
no idea. I just say it's going to come with time, but I don't know. Fred might know some people. He knows, too. Do do any of the cities around pay the commissioners on the zoning and planning? You know, I don't know for sure. I would
have to look into that. I don't know. At the county level for our county for several years and we were compensated very well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's possible. I think you know if that would happen you likely would get some people that wanted to be on
because I mean this is absolutely volunteer and it's nothing but I'm not saying headache but takes our time and we get a lot of back talk from some of the stuff that we decide on. Yeah, that's true. I I don't know for
sure. I possibly I think maybe Shakipi when I was there I think they possibly pay their planning commissioners but I don't know specifically but I could look into it and kind of see maybe that could be an option but um I would have to kind of check and especially see with Ken we need people on
and I'll ask around too I'll make sure to I know my got to replace yourself honey it's kind of weird too because our code committee we just we have a new we will have a new member for code committee so we have we got someone to be interested
in joining. So, that one's going to be full, but planning commission is a lot tougher to get apparently. So, yeah. And planning commission is very official where code isn't, you know. Yeah. We've got special things that we have to do and code is just let's get this
talked about and straightened out and that kind of thing. But that's right. Yeah. Planning commission. I mean, it can lead to some pretty serious stuff. It's like you mentioned Schuman. Okay. Well, if there's no Yeah, I've been watching hoping stuff goes in that shed. That's all I got to
say. Just just amongst us friends. Some of that junk around there and not happening yet. But Schuman, did that come in with the right dimensions? That big barn that he's put up?
I don't know. I wasn't here for it. I can't answer that. Well, I don't. Is it taller than the house? Well, it had to be. It's bigger than his house, isn't it? I think so. As far as I'm aware, we had no problems with it. So, ordinance is not supposed to be taller than the house. So,
I know. And and then who's keeping track of when he has to have those other sheds down? It was we gave them They're still there, isn't it? Till December again. Who watches over that? It shouldn't turn out to be longer than that. That was the problem after the
lawyers got involved. But I mean, who who keeps track of that? It's is it's that's what I'm wondering too if anybody's checking on that. Is that the city's job? I mean, I theoretically I would say it'd be my job, but I as well as even our
police department react on complaints. The building the building inspector when they inspected the building, did they have the information as far as height and dimensions, all that? Uh previous inspector is now not working for us. So, he he would probably have it, but he doesn't work here anymore.
So, he wouldn't have filed a report somewhere or something. Uh, I'm sure I could look and find it. I guess that would be I can talk with Kurt as well. We'd all be curious about that. Yep. I can chat with Kurt and see. He probably has information for it. So,
I'm curious about why rather than just by complaint I don't I don't know. I don't have answers to those questions. It's like, oh, that was because what good is it to make the rules if they're just going to do right because there's no fine then. Is
that correct? I mean, he could just say, well, just keep until somebody complains. There's no there's no fine. I don't know in our city, but there have been instances where then they have to be removed because they just totally going back to the code committee, how to
decide how they going to be enforced, right? Well, I maybe I don't know. Okay, we've completed our agenda. I'm going to call the meeting adjourned at 6:15. Thank you all. I need a motion on that. Okay, it's a motion to adjurnn.
Somebody move second. All in favor say I. I. Motion carried. Yeah. As far as recruiting somebody, I'm not sure.