This conference will now be recorded. Nice. >> Good thing we showed up. And small >> in the sixth edition isn't very big either and people use it. You want to be in charge for now?
>> Can I be if I'm >> Oh, yeah. We're missing our chair and vice chair. So, someone's got to do it. I'm going to delegate you tonight, Brad. Thank you. >> So, then I'll call the meeting to order
and then we got to adopt the agenda. No changes. >> I make a motion to adopt the agenda. >> I'll second it. >> Got a motion, a second adopt. All in favor? >> I opposed.
Approve the minutes. I make a motion we approve the minutes from the February meeting. I'll second. >> I guess it's my job. Have >> a motion and a second to approve the minutes. All in favor? >> I oppose.
And the public hearing. >> So, we're going to hold a public hearing tonight on the uh proposal from Big Well Homes 28 single family lots and part of the next phase of the Highlands development. Um there's some materials
there for you to review from the pre-learn and class submissions. Um we have Trevor Conway here tonight. He's uh the person who did the engineering plans for them as he did all their submissions. So he's thankfully here to answer any questions we have um as we kind of begin this process. Um and just
for reference as well, our city engineers, Bill Ingramman and Scott Haniki have both approved our uh preliminary plan documents. Um and they said that everything looked great to them. They actually felt it was more than adequate to uh to move forward on
what they had been submitted and we're expecting this we have a lot of final flat documents as well. So um you know this has been a good process so far and it's moved along very well and very smoothly um as compared to other developments. Um so we're pretty pretty happy about that um as well. So holding
a public hearing and looking to hear comments from our community members tonight if you have any. If not, we'll just kind of discuss with planning commission, too. So, we'll open this up for planning public hearing. >> Where are the 28 lots going to go? Because from the picture provided, I
would argue >> go around north where it goes up. >> Not yet. No. Uh, so it's just the next phase. So just there's a kind of a lot there on on County Road Six. You can see so it's just going up to there. Um it's
kind of in FA this whole uh development has been in phases. So this has been planned over for 25 years. Um and so we this has already been in the works for some amount of time. Um and so this was kind of on the next docket and they just
want to do them in chunks so that they're not doing all at once. Um so it's just this next little phase there. Um, we don't know when the next one will be, but just kind of at Bigalow's face. I think >> I'd like to ask a question. Um, I was visiting with this lady. I don't Are you
on the board or you're just >> here? >> You're here to learn from us, >> huh? >> She's right. >> Yeah. Anyway, um um we know that there's a small park in the sixth division and it's not very big, but it
is used a lot. And um are they planning something similar for that in the uh this new seventh? >> As far as I know, that's not in the plans at all. Um again, I don't know if Trevor can speak to this on other developments, but we don't we don't have
any information on something like that. Um, that's something that could be possibly worked out in a development agreement with the developer, but I don't know what was done previously. I wasn't part of the previous phases, so I don't know what was discussed then. Um, I don't know if Trevor has any context
on something like that, but >> No. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And again, we're just kind of expanding this road here. Um, so I I don't know what was in the docket for for park development at all. So, >> does it have to be decided at this point
in order to be included or is it something that they'll wait and and then if there's not room it won't get done or I'm just asking what's the process? >> Uh, I don't know. I don't really know what that process looks like. I think that's something that would have already been decided um for the submission of the plans. Um, that's something that
would have been discussed with the city. On something like this, it's kind of a continuation. There's only two rows there, so it's really only space for two single family lots on both sides. So, you know, on on that sixth one, there was kind of that little chunk there on the corner that was able to make that
work. Well, there wasn't space for a house. There was more of a well, there's space for this. Um, we don't really have space for that on this phase that we're currently visiting on. So, in future phases, it's possible that we'll see something like that. I just don't know how it's going to play out. >> We see a lot of families walking
strollers and dogs. I have a dog myself and it's we're in the streets. >> We don't have a sidewalks and I understand that, but there should be some place for the the uh you know the kids to to gather and walk
>> their dogs and whatever their wagons and whatever and have a chance to gather. >> Yeah. >> Otherwise, you get to know your neighbors, >> right? So, how is that set? because I know usually under developments there's something in there for parks and stuff.
Now on the upper golf course there's a that they did up there there's a park up there also but when I wonder when they did this agreement that that park was for the whole development on that side then or >> yeah you know I'm not too sure I you know the last phases were done the
previous one I think was 2020 was our last development agreement and before that I couldn't tell you when um so a lot of this stuff was decided a long time ago. I don't know what those development agreements look like. I've only been looking at the previous one for the previous phase. So, all these
things I were discussed a long time ago by city councils prior and um staff members prior too. So, I just don't have context for those items. >> Well, that's something we'd have to we can check into though that that was the only park that was going to be for this whole develop even though they're doing
in phases. It might have been that was the park for the whole thing. That's something we'd have to look into. all small for that whole development >> because I know other development we did up there um >> well they trusted >> back in there you know they I think it
says in everything new developments have to either give money towards parks >> or dedicate land >> or dedicate land to it so but I don't know how this was this whole you know that park must have been you know they're going to do in phases so they might say well that park is for the whole development you know
>> right and that's that's actually a good point in our development agreements in our ordinance we are legally reporting developers are required to either put up a fee for parkland dedication or dedicate land for a park. Um so I maybe it's possible that in those development agreements they agree to dedicate land
they may not want to do that this time instead they may pay a fee. Um and so that would be discussed by council and part of development agreement. So >> and that would be down the road here. >> Yep. That'd be very shortly. That'd be oncoming as well. So okay thank you.
Other comments from community members at all. >> Do you have a timeline for the stuff? So that's not north and south. So north will be to the left there. Is there a timeline for the next phase after this one or not yet? >> That I'm not sure of. Um that's kind of
up to we we don't like influence that. It's more of that the developers ready to go on it. This one kind of developed pretty quickly on since kind of last year. Um we knew it was coming. Um but they they kind of told us around last year that this was on the way. Um but
again the sixth was done in 2020 2021 time frame. Obviously still not completely finished up but um so I don't know what that time frame would look like on the next one but I don't know. >> Okay. >> So when's the timeline to start building
on this one? I believe it'd be starting the summer, springtime, summer. Yes, >> around that time. And >> as you do the phases, then you do the is the road going to be put in first or second? Are you going to start building
and then pave the road after the houses or are you going to do it before? >> Um, not quite sure on the exact sequencing, but I was thinking the roads would go in first. Could you talk up? I can't hear you, please.
>> You should You still got to put your >> utilities in >> going into the houses. You got to have your water >> connection. So, you got to have the water lines and then the equip. >> Um, yes, the utilities would need to
come first before the the houses would get built >> and then and then you can turn around and pave the road to the dust control. Uh yes, that's uh kind of my understanding of how Tony was going to uh proceed with
the construction. >> Do that and then they'll put just the first lift of the tar on, won't they? And then they'll come in after a lot of fun. >> Yes. >> But all the curb stops will all be in way before anything building gets going in there. >> Yeah, the curb will be in.
>> So I know when they're going to start like May, June. So, do they figure that by fall they'll be able to build some houses in there, do you think? Or do you don't know what the timeline on the construction of the >> uh it'd be close um >> later fall or something? Possibly.
>> Yeah, depending on how fast we get going this summer. >> Any other questions or anything in the public hearing here? or concerns or I'm just mostly curious about the layout or how it was going to
>> Y >> I was having trouble hearing you um when you were talking, but I know I moved here two years ago. It's almost two years and every house they put in there's been debris through our yard and it's the dumpsters are overflowing and
then the wind comes through and it takes all that trash and just blows it everywhere and and um I'm just hoping that they can do a better job of I mean we try to pick up but we shouldn't have to pick up pick up after you know the builders if they're going
to put the stuff in the dumpsters either put a cover on it or don't overfill it. Okay, >> those are items that we'll have in our development agreements. >> It's been messy and uh >> we have construction management um that we'll be obviously observing but then
also um just in terms of cleanliness as well. Those are items development agreements. >> Thank you. >> Have I got no other concerns or >> one question? Uh, when do they expect that the I'm just curious when they'll
be putting the land out for the lots out for Sally. >> Well, yeah. What were you just saying? >> I didn't I couldn't hear. I'm sorry. >> Um, it'll get going and >> late fall. >> Late fall at probably the earliest there would be available for >> Okay.
>> Yeah, late fall at the earliest. Okay. Well, then I'll close the public hearing here and then close the public hearing then. >> What's the access to this going to be off of the off of that county road or township road
north of there? >> Yeah, I think that county road six. That's the only one they can access from. But this >> that's north, right? >> North is left. >> This is north. >> Yes.
>> Okay. >> Six is here. >> Okay. >> This this is accessing here now. So this this would feed this. There will be a new access this accessibility in here.
>> Okay. >> And then it'll come off of here and these houses are already here. >> Yes. >> There won't be a new access in all coming this road here. >> Okay. >> I see. She'll disconnect her back.
>> And what are the size of these lots? >> Is there footage on there? >> I can figure that out. Just like all the other generally that our engineers have reviewed, but any of the lot sizes would be tall.
>> Okay. >> And that's what the engineers and everything all the sizes and stuff. Some are larger and some are smaller. >> It's just kind of depends on where they're positioned. >> We didn't make any decisions on that.
It's more up to the developer. But >> so the well right there and that is an easement of property. >> Yep. >> So you were saying access on what? So I think the original development agreement was something >> that that we needed to get access into
the substitution and come this way. Were you thinking that access >> that wasn't brought up to me? So I was saying these three there's no access on the west side right now. That line comes there >> right here right back out. It doesn't go
through. Are you guys talking or continuing somewhere? >> Okay. Is that right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Think maybe get some access with with the city that way. Like I said, if you haven't been out there, I'm
sure you have everything from this line and up. And I think that's why they're doing this stuff first. >> No, just bring for the Highlands. >> Cool. If they're going to extend an easement, so be it. But there wouldn't
be a street that we have. We have a motion. >> No, access is totally cool. >> As a commission here, >> a drive or a road going right through our driveway. We're voting that we approve it and it moves on to them.
>> So, I've got a motion >> and I'll second the motion >> to approve the preliminary plan to go go to council for approval. So I have a motion and a second >> and a second motion. Second the motion. >> All in favor? I >> oppose. Carry.
>> Okay. Thank you for your >> Thank you. Somebody from Bigalow. Are you with Bigalow then or what? >> You you'll look into that later >> because I'm sure the council is going to ask >> uh No, I haven't reviewed the previous development agreements
>> and that might be the proof for the whole >> original development for each phase. at the same time. So, >> yeah, that's something that we have to few weeks >> and I would that'd be a question I want
answer. >> Okay. So, there's no no old business new business St. Paul Road information only >> information only. >> So, we have some discussion from our u
interest in St. Paul Road, as you know, uh we did some development on on one side of the street there. As you can kind of see a few years back, um the owner of that big lot across uh on adjacent to the river, Mark Mingham, is seeking to sell his lot to put five
single family homes uh there. Now, >> you know where this is. >> Is it Is it just west of the bowling alley, the old bowling alley or what? >> Yeah, if you come the road that comes behind the bowling alley. Oh. Oh, that's where they are. Behind >> you. You know where Shoealkers is? They're They're right behind Shoeachers
is that right behind all them town houses there. >> Okay. >> So, this is right across. >> What is What is this building here? >> That's the >> That's the residents that live right next to her. That's a There's a There's
a house here >> and that's their shed there. >> That shed shed and everything has nothing to do with the the >> development. That that's that's that's there though. That's existing >> from from the property. There's a house at over actually there's
a house over here >> that used to be all one property. >> Oh. >> But they few years ago they split that off to where the house is >> versus where this is. >> This is part of I think the road bearing gear. They store stuff over in that
building there. >> So this St. road. You said it was like >> going down >> like kind of behind Neielson's. You go by go out west of Neielson's. >> Yeah. And then it's back on the next road. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Got it.
>> Back further towards the river. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> I I did go down that day one time. >> Okay. >> So, yeah. And so, Ben Olsen from Olsson realy is seeking to sell those lots um that are hopefully going to be created. So, five single family lots here. Um,
and so they are going to be submitting a preliminary flat because our ordinance technically says that if it's anything over two lots, you have to do the whole nine yards. So realist realistically, he just needs to split these lots in order to do this because he doesn't have a
developer yet. So then a developer would come in and purchase those lots to build. Um, so under our ordinance, they need to do a whole preliminary plat in order to get this done. So they, this information is more just that heads up, by the way, this is coming. It was supposed to be on this meeting, but we
didn't get all the materials needed to actually bring a recommendation to planning commission. Um, we weren't able to approve anything because we didn't have enough material to actually say, "Yep, this is okay." >> Um, so this is kind of more information and for you to kind of get a first look at this is coming. Um, because this
could be dicey because the road on St. Paul Road is not paved. City Council previously chose not to pave that. Now, the problem is that it's going to need to get paved, which means assessments >> um and that that's going to come um with
this development. And so, that's why it could get dicey is because there was a lot of push back on the previous developments um for not having that and council chose, okay, we're not going to pave it, knowing that eventually they got to pave it. Um so, that's coming. That's kind of why I wanted to bring it
to your attention is that this could get interesting as we move ahead. Now, street projectwise, this probably won't happen for some years. The city doesn't have it in our capital improvements plan to actually do this road. We have other projects that we need to do that we plan for first. So, this would probably only
happen if someone were to front if Mangan were to front his assessment upfront, basically the whole thing. Then we would say, okay, well, yeah, we can we can find a way to make it work ahead of schedule. Um, so it'll be kind of interesting to see how this will go. Um,
so just want to bring it to your attention. It's just going to be a slowmoving project. Obviously not as quick as Bigalow and this Highlands one. Um, but we're going to be looking to hopefully get those lots split at some point this spring so they can kind of get moving on that. Um, so you'll
probably see a preliminary plan, a full preliminary plat uh, next month and then we can kind of go from there. Um, so just just kind of bringing that information to you tonight. So, you have questions about >> Well, this is similar. This is s I mean, we kind of don't I mean, if they develop
these five, we're going to want to do the street right away. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, so we don't run into like we did. I mean, that's what happened. You know, that's what happened at Champas. They wanted So, they assess the people across the street. It's just a
similar project like that. So, we just, you know, the people are not going to be happy about the assessment. It's just But at that point, we they'll know what their assessment's going to be, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. And there'd be there' be public concerns about it, of course, too. But a lot of the issue comes into
that the city has to carry the cost for the assessment no matter what. And does the city have the >> financials to actually carry that while we're also doing Pleasant Avenue reconstruction this summer? Um, you know, we have other projects in the We have the pool coming up. We have um you
know we have the uh sewer district that's going to be happening in in the near future as well. Those are all going to be significant costs coming up. >> So if you did hear the assessments on something like that it's at some point in time. I mean we
got street projects scheduled out for 10 years I think. >> Yeah. So, at what point in time, at some point in time, you you're going to have to bump a street that year anyway, aren't you? >> Yep. And that'd be a decision for council, >> right? That's what I'm just saying.
>> Brian, Jeff, to make as well to >> Yeah. From what I've seen to prolong these assessments because we don't have the money now, is like there's really not a good time to do it. Well, Ben Ben Olsson is not the developer.
>> No, he's just he's he's >> just he involved in well with Mark on this then? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yep. Uh he Mark and and Ben are working together. Ben is working basically for Mark to get this kind of done. But engineering wise, all these preliminary
plant stuff, it's coming from an engineer. So they were like they've hired Bolson and Mac to to do all this. Um so they're they're going to be providing the materials. >> Mark is going to be the developer though. >> Well, he's not going to be the one building the lots. The idea is that
they're going to sell them to somebody. Someone that wants to buy >> before they even develop them. >> Yeah. Well, are you talking about just like the lot itself >> or like building the house there? >> No, just the just the property. Oh,
>> but like like these guys are doing. >> Oh, I see. >> Bigalows are going to actually do the work, but they're the developer, >> right? >> Mark Mark is going to be the developer of >> I suppose. I mean, it's going to be up to I don't know how this >> they probably don't know yet. Yeah, >> because you know, Ben might sell it to
an individual person who might then be like, well, I'm the developer and I'm developing it with this construction company, but the one next door might do something different. So, it could be kind of an odd one. So, >> because there's probably not much development that needs to be done because there's already water and sewer.
>> Yep. >> True there, right? >> Yeah. They kind of I think they're going to do some some extra hookups, of course, but I mean it's all there already, of course. So, >> how big are those lots going to be? You know, >> um again, I don't have the exact viewers
on this one at all actually, but we they did a survey, so we kind of know um kind of >> very wide, >> 96 feet wide. >> They're pretty narrow and they're long. going to go down. >> They're probably as small as that the city will allow. >> Yeah. >> What are they? 96 by what?
>> Um 96 is about the narrowest they can go. 96 by >> I believe in our zing code they could actually be more narrow than that. They can. >> Yep. >> Doesn't say how long they are though, does it?
>> Here it says it's a typ typical typical building pad 60 by 60. So, >> but look at the sideyards how narrow they are. >> Yeah, but that's probably the six foot setback like most of the sideyards are. >> Six and Yeah. No, I think both bothards are at
least 10 feet. >> 10 10 foot sideyard setback >> on each side. >> On each side. So there's 20 ft there or whatever. >> Well, more to come on this, >> right? We'll get more information later. I
>> This is really the only document I have on them right now. So the way you're seeing kind of So what what are they going to be? So they'll they'll they'll have to smint something like Bigalow did here, right? >> Yep. >> That'll be the next step, right?
>> Yep. >> He said something about gun and Kyle Nap. Kyle Nap, I think it is. I don't um something about he has to he gets to or has to sell all of them. That's a I I
might have misunderstood what you said. >> Oh, I mean he doesn't have to. I I he might just choose to do that. I don't know. I don't know how the sewing market's going to go. It's kind of his burden to bear, frankly. But >> so, but he's working with that property. >> Does he own these? Does he own this
land? Ben, but Mark Bangum is enlisting Ben Olsson to do this for him. >> I see. Okay. So they're working in table, but >> Okay. So Ben is doing the leg work on this. >> Yep. Ben is just the one that's handling. >> So it'll all get developed with the gas and all that stuff before they even sell
the lots, I would guess. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how that's going to work, but really what they're looking for is they want to split these lots. And the problem is you can't you have to do them all at once or you have to wait five to 10 more years to do it. Um so that's why they want to do it all
at once. Um instead of >> put five lots in there, you mean? Well, the problem is it's all one parcel and to split them into five lots, you have to do it all at once because if you do one or two, you can do that, but then you have to wait five years to do more. >> That's just the way our ordinance works.
>> So that's why this preliminary is like this. They plan on putting all five in there. >> Yep. >> Is that the is that the subdivision thing? You can only split off, you know. >> You sit five. Well, that's like >> I think if they put four, they could
have better lots. >> Well, that's kind of up to them, you know. It's kind of more bang for your buck. They want to make, you know, they want to sell them. They want to sell as many as possible. They think they can sell them. They're riverfront properties. So, >> Oh, yeah. >> Are they small lots? Yeah. But, I mean, they do go back a decent ways at least.
So, there's that. But, >> yeah. But if you compare that to the ones even across the street, I mean there those ones are pretty narrow as well too. And so, you know, it's in line with what we're looking at. And um at least lot size wise, it's behind or because it's
pretty uh lair when it comes to those lot sizes. You can you can squeeze something pretty small in there and be perfectly fine. So they look okay for for us. Now the houses are kind of just there for just placing holders but um because they don't know exactly where
it's going to go but um and then there's also an issue with flood plane as well because of how close it is to the river. Um >> is it in a flood plane or not? >> They are in the flood plane. Most most of the lie is in the flood plane. >> Oh jeez. >> Now there are ways around that. I mean
it's not the biggest problem in the world to solve for >> unless you get a lot of rain. It's more of a problem for the homeowners than anything. >> Absolutely. >> But our engineer says as long as they have, you know, they'll when they submit their plans, we'll be able to tell for sure and they'll be able to say, "Okay,
this is okay." Um, so it'll be worked out. Um, even though this Keller Bartman building um is also technically in a flood plane as well, but they were able to circumvent that because of rising, you know, having the building a little bit higher helps out to circumvent that,
too. So, >> they haven't started on that new apartment um complex yet, have they? There's nothing going on there yet? >> No. As far last I heard, I think they want to go this month and maybe next. Just depending on when the ground thaws,
but they're ready and they're they've closed on their mortgages. They're they're done with the city approvals, so they're they're good to go. >> Is that going to be rental or are they going to own those units? >> It'll be rental. >> It'll be rental. >> I didn't approve the one that's up there. Yeah, the one over crushed neons.
Yeah. >> Okay. We're going to be a big city, >> huh? >> We're going to be a big city now with lots of apartment building. >> That's what I'm worried about. >> That's why we kind of tried to vote it down. >> Yeah. >> But you know how that went. It >> didn't go good. We got out of voted.
>> It doesn't happen often, but we did there. Okay. Anything else? >> Okay. I make a motion we adjourn. >> I'll second it. >> Good motion. Second to adjourn. All in favor? I
>> I No, I'm just kidding. Okay. Did they say how long they were they going to try and move on this little road? >> Yeah.
They want to