WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=_D4-Asc7Ujk NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: _D4-Asc7Ujk): - 00:00:02: Zoning Ordinance Amendment Proposal Removed for Clarification - 00:01:10: Final Plat for St. Paul Road Subdivision Approved - 00:11:36: Planning Commission Member Applications and Recommendations - 00:16:58: Discussion about Committee Work and Adjournment Part: 1 1 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:30.480 This conference will now be recorded. >> Okay. >> I think that's what it was. Don't you >> What was What was that? Zoning ordinance amended, proposal, removed. Okay. >> I um I was going to bring forward an amendment to the zoning orrance, but I 2 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:49.600 pulled it before the meeting because I hadn't had any attorney clarification on it yet. That's right. >> I still haven't really had a chance to discuss it with them. So, no, nothing right now on that. >> Is there a motion to approve the minutes of the last meeting? 3 00:00:49.600 --> 00:01:10.479 >> Make a motion. >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second it. >> You were there. I like >> I'll second it. Yeah. Okay. Motion has been okay. Um public hearing. >> Are there is there public hearing 4 00:01:10.479 --> 00:01:32.000 tonight? >> No public hearings. >> No public hearing. Okay. Old business. Old business. >> No old business. >> Okay. new business. >> Well, first up, I have the uh final plat for St. Paul Road. Um, last month we 5 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:47.119 held the public hearing for this uh and this is submitted from Ben Olsen Realy and Mark Mangan um at 612 St. Paul Road. Um he is looking to subdivide his lot that he has there into five single 6 00:01:47.119 --> 00:02:03.360 family home lots um hopefully to build five homes there along the river um this summer and the fall. So we saw the public hearing for that last month. Um we heard comments from the public and then we also um you kind of got to see 7 00:02:03.360 --> 00:02:19.280 the layout of the lots there. Um this month they brought Bolton and Mang Engineering submitted the necessary documentation for the final plat. So you can see that there in your packet just basically the prelim or basically the layout of what the lots will look like and with basically what where a house 8 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:36.080 would theoretically go in your packet. I did print out the entire final plat document. I think Fred has it there too. So if you want to look through that at all. Um and um so it has all the information. We did receive an approval letter from our city engineer Bill 9 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:52.720 Angerman. Um, so I also attached that for you as well, so you can see kind of what comments are left to be addressed. Um, don't really do that, but I I know last month you kind of mentioned that you wanted to see some more information. So, just giving you everything I have here tonight. Um, on this one, again, 10 00:02:52.720 --> 00:03:10.000 this one will be kind of weird because there's no paved road there. Um, so we are currently in the process of doing some sort of development agreement. It will not look like a typical one we've done um like for Keller Bartman on the apartment building or the Highlands 11 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:23.760 because there's technically going to be no public improvements built. So, it's going to be pretty short and brief. Um but we're kind of I'm in the process with our city attorney and city engineer on putting 12 00:03:23.760 --> 00:03:41.040 that together. Um and yeah, that'll be um any any work done is going to be just hookups into the existing utility lines and that would be taken care of after a plat um and all our approvals are done anyways and so by that point they would own the property and they would be able 13 00:03:41.040 --> 00:03:57.599 to do what they needed to do. Um so just looking for um approval on the final plat tonight or recommendation to city council for approval. Um and have open it up for any questions you have. So these lots are going to be the grade 14 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:12.879 they need to be to match up to the road then. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. It just has to be a certain setback away from the road. And >> what I mean the elevation. So >> yeah, it has to be a certain elevation higher. I don't know what the what the height of this will be. Um but that'll 15 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:28.240 be for the builders to determine. any and again since this one is kind of weird since there is no builder attached um let's say they come in one off they still would have to go through all our approvals anyways because they have to get our building permits and so our bill 16 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:43.280 anger still needs to approve it I still need to approve it so we would go through all those elevation and flood issues as well at that time too um but in the review letter um Bill did note that they didn't have the flood fringe mapped out in this prelim or in this 17 00:04:43.280 --> 00:04:58.720 final plat Um but he doesn't have any concerns um from what he told me. Him or Scott Haniki, our other city engineer. So >> So that turnaround down there, >> Yep. >> that's not going to be done either until later. >> Not until the road is complete. That was 18 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:14.400 just what the what we originally platted um on that on the first time around I think years ago um or what the plan was for the road to go in. So that's what it will be, but that's not what it is right now. So, are they going to do something about 19 00:05:14.400 --> 00:05:30.800 in like for curb and gutter and tar and stuff? Is that going to I mean, is he going to pay that as he sells these then and like in an escrow account or something so we don't run into trouble like we did across the across the street? >> They'll put it in writing that the city 20 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:46.080 isn't going to >> Yeah, because the city's going to have to come up with the money to do it, right? You know, and then but it' be nice if I don't know. We will add this in the amount of the lot. Yeah. Then that they can put it in in an escrow. I know it'll 21 00:05:46.080 --> 00:06:02.720 change down the road because it probably won't be done for four or five years, >> right? But at least we'll have a portion of it. >> Yep. So, what the plan is is that on this development agreement that we work on. Um the plan is we want that there will be no right to wave a pe 22 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:18.319 assessments um any future assessments, which is normal. Our our city attorney says he does this all the time. something out of the ordinary. The only difference is just this is a weird project because we didn't do it before. Um, but he'll just we'll just have some agreement that just says they can't 23 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:34.800 either they need to we we would like them to pay it up upfront, but if I he has said he doesn't want to do that. Well, then we're going to say that well you can't wave you can't appeal an assessment if we do it. You're just it's just going to get assessed and it's kind 24 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:51.199 of tough luck >> on marketing. >> Yeah. or the future owners of the lots. Um either or, but yeah, Mark would be included since he would still own his property there. Um so I think we'll be okay. I mean, our attorney doesn't have concerns about it and he'll be kind of 25 00:06:51.199 --> 00:07:07.919 drafting this for us and so I'll be bringing that back for review um whenever we have it. Probably next month, I would assume. Um but I'm not too concerned about it. Um >> there's no city and water sewer out there now, is there? for for there is no there is already in 26 00:07:07.919 --> 00:07:23.599 >> it's already in because we did it across the street. Um so the only thing >> across the street but you get it to the lot. >> Yeah. They just their only work work they're going to have to do is just hook up into those existing lines. So I asked Jeff our public works director about this and he said everything's already there. They just need to hook into it. 27 00:07:23.599 --> 00:07:41.440 So it's this it's no he said he wasn't concerned. Um it's normal. Um typically they're already kind of in it in the system and then they can just do the regular hookup. They will have to do some sort of availability, but it's uh it's not it's it's not far. It would be 28 00:07:41.440 --> 00:07:58.639 more worrisome if this was out in like a township and we still needed to draw all the utilities in. Um but for this, we're not too concerned since it's it's right there. Um so again, little we little bit weird, but I mean at the very least those utilities are there. They may not 29 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:15.120 have been there. Um, so now that we have that in, we only have to worry about future public public improvements. And, um, Bill Angerman said that on this phase currently, nothing will be constructed public improvement wise. It's basically just subdividing the lots 30 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:30.800 so they can hook the water in and then they can sell the lots to whoever wants them. Um, so there's nothing on the city's part right now. Obviously, in the future there could be, but that's where the you can't you can't appeal an assessment to us when that time comes 31 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:48.000 because it was denied before. So, this time we're not like if we have to do it, we're not going to let them appeal an assessment on it, >> but they can't appeal it, but they can there's options of the assessments can be like paid in 10 years or whatever, right? They would have them options. 32 00:08:48.000 --> 00:09:04.480 >> Yep. Yeah, there there are those options. Those would change, I don't believe. Um, this is just basically saying that it gives us time to plan because this road was not part of our capital improvements at all um until this came about and it's still not because can't float the cash for it. We 33 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:19.920 have other projects we're working on. Um, so it's it's going to happen eventually. This probably not for some time. I don't >> Everything's already built. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit weird, but again, that was a council decision. pre 34 00:09:19.920 --> 00:09:36.480 previous council decision uh to not do the road there um against you know our advice from Cindy Engineer but that's what they chose and so we're here. >> Is is that road part of our annual dust control? I think it is isn't it? 35 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:52.720 >> It it I think so but I I can't verify that. I don't know off the top of my head. >> Now last month we voted on subdividing the lots. How is it different tonight that we're going to >> Well, that was it was so last month was just a preliminary plat and we did that 36 00:09:52.720 --> 00:10:08.240 for Highlands and for um you know, Keller Bartman, any other development. The >> generally I would say this one would just be a regular subdivision that you would have done at one go, but our ordinance says after a certain amount of lots or a certain amount of acres, it 37 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:24.000 has to be this process. And so that's where we are on this one. It's like just around the cusp. So this is just the final approval for it. And then this plat would get recorded with the county which would then split the lots um creating the buildable lots for for 38 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:40.240 sale. The only other approval you would see is for some sort of agreement um which may just go to council or may come to you depending on when we have it done. Um, so that's the only other thing we'd have to do because we did the reszoning 39 00:10:40.240 --> 00:11:00.160 technically last month and then that will get taken care of whenever this plat is recorded as well. >> Okay. So our motion should be then to subdivide the lot. Is that what we >> It should be just to approve the the final plat. >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve the 40 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:20.399 plat? I'll make a motion to approve the final plat for the what development you call this >> for the man mangan development. Yeah, >> just just for the ones out on railway. >> Is there a second? 41 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:36.200 >> Second. >> Okay. Is there any more discussion on it? Motion >> has been made and seconded. Um all in favor say I. >> I approve. disapprove. Okay, the motion passes. 42 00:11:36.800 --> 00:11:59.120 >> Okay, next item is um members. >> Yeah. Uh yeah. Um so I received three applications for planning commission. Um we have two here tonight. Uh Pete Lawson and then Jess Simpson. Um, so I don't know if they want to do any talking or 43 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:16.480 or not, but um, so basically I'm looking for some direction on approvals of these three applications. I added them all into your packet so you can see what they wrote in there. Um, and again, this will be eventually confirmed by city council next Thursday. Um, so yeah, I 44 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:43.120 don't know if you guys want to introduce yourselves or talk at all. I mean, you're feel free or not. I mean, go for it, but 12 years. It's kind of interesting. >> My name is Jess Simpson. Um I moved here four years ago with my husband and three 45 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:59.120 boys. Um we grew up in Maple Grove, but that kind of wasn't really fitting what we were looking for. looking for something that was more community oriented and just a little bit more small town but still with a forward moving, you know, um, feel. And that's kind of exactly what we got when we 46 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:16.000 moved here. So, I've just really fallen in love with the community and I'm looking to get more engaged. Um, I just want to help the community grow while also kind of maintaining that small town feel and history. Perfect. >> And are you're a homeowner also? 47 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:33.120 >> Yeah. >> Okay. You're a homeowner, too. There's no compensation for this position. >> It's just a volunteer position. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, are we going to have all three of them? 48 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:49.519 >> Well, so technically we have five members right now and we our ordinance is clear about seven. I I did kind of put this in the email for you guys, too, because Tom asked the same question as well. Um, legally, I don't know if we can go over currently. we'd have to adjust the ordinance to make that 49 00:13:49.519 --> 00:14:04.240 happen. >> And obviously it's just not fast enough to do that because we requires public hearings. Um and honestly the zoning ordinance is pretty tough to amend anyways. Um so I would say at this time 50 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:21.680 I you I think you can only choose two. Um we can revisit it to add members in the future. I would maybe advise against that. But um but that's your choice too. If you want me to go that route, I'll, you know, I'll do whatever you need to do. >> Would they make five then if they join? 51 00:14:21.680 --> 00:14:39.600 >> They would, they would make seven. >> They would make seven >> because we have Tom and Kim, >> which would put us in line with all our other boards. They all have seven. Um, >> do other towns have seven? >> Yep. Yep. Um, or five? I don't see any more than seven. I think that gets into 52 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:54.399 the Right. >> That's a lot of people, you know, which again is fine, too. I mean, if that's what you want to do, we could we could add nine, but I will also point out that these are the first applications I've received since I've been with the city. >> I was going to say it's been a long time. So, yeah, let's do 53 00:14:54.399 --> 00:15:09.920 >> and even before that, too, because one of the one at least one of the spots hasn't even been filled since uh this former city attorney left. Um, so, you know, it's been a while. So again, we could make it so we could have more in the future, but it's like can we even 54 00:15:09.920 --> 00:15:26.320 guarantee that we'll even get those spots anyways too. That also opens up the door to the quorum as well because then like let's say we had nine, we'd have to have five members here every time and that can be a problem especially not just with this board with 55 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:46.320 all our boards getting quorum. So, um, again, it's it's definitely your decision, but I would say currently we should probably focus on doing two and then revisit it. Maybe after I get legal clarification. >> Well, I think with both of these orders, 56 00:15:46.320 --> 00:16:04.480 they would be good members of the committee. Any other discussion? Do we make a motion to um to recommend them then to the council? >> Sure. Yeah. >> Okay. I'll make that motion 57 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:20.720 >> that we recommend uh Jessica and Peter did it. Okay. As members of the zoning and planning commission. Is there a second? >> I'll second it. We have to take turns. 58 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:40.959 >> Any more discussion? Okay. The motion is made and seconded. >> We just shepher things in >> sometimes they agree with us and sometimes they don't. >> I think they'll agree. >> We got to vote on the motion. >> We got to vote on the motion. 59 00:16:40.959 --> 00:16:58.079 >> Okay. Go to the motion. Okay. >> Those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. >> The motion. >> Perfect. Thanks for your interest. Yeah, >> that's exciting. >> Yeah, really. It's been a while. 60 00:16:58.079 --> 00:17:18.559 >> Appreciate it. Yeah, >> and I appreciate the applications because it has been a while. So, >> yeah. And our other boards usually fill up like that. So, I don't know why this one. >> Well, and I don't think people really know what this this committee does, you 61 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:35.960 know? It's like they look at they go, "Oh, okay. Yeah, I'd rather do library or whatever because they're more familiar with those, >> right? >> But I've learned a lot since I've been on here about how how things operate. So, I appreciate being here. >> Y 62 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:54.400 >> and everything from this board, it's it's only recommendations to the council. The council approves everything that goes on, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. These are all recommendations that go to council for usually I would say most times they approve it but you know there's the 63 00:17:54.400 --> 00:18:10.960 oneoffs that they don't um but it's the same with all of our other boards too. The only one that's a little bit different is park board um and library board I guess too because they have their own money so they get to spend without council approval. Um but all the other ones are basically recommendations 64 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:26.320 too. Um so it's pretty in line with everything else we have. So yeah, >> and we get some big crowds sometimes of people who aren't going to agree with what's going on here. So, >> but it's good to have the citizen 65 00:18:26.320 --> 00:18:42.640 involvement. >> Okay. Is there any other business tonight? >> Um, not from me. >> Okay. Does anybody else have anything to discuss? >> I don't 66 00:18:42.640 --> 00:19:01.280 a motion to adjourn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll second motion for the B. Second. All approved say I. >> I. I disapprove. >> Perfect. Thanks, guys. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. 67 00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:17.919 >> Yeah, I'll be I'll let I'll send you guys both emails um just as written notification and then telling you about next week. Um, so yeah, let me know and then I'll put you on our email list for the next meeting. So, and if you have any questions about items on there, just 68 00:19:17.919 --> 00:19:25.840 let me know and then I can explain whatever, too. So, >> all right. Great. >> Thank you. Great. >> Thank you.