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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: eE9J55jsyMQ):
- 00:00:02: Meeting Commences, Agenda Amended, Minutes Approved Quickly
- 00:02:29: Preliminary Plat Application Review: St. Paul Road Subdivision
- 00:04:53: Public Comment: St. Paul Road Rezoning and Subdivision
- 00:06:33: Public Comment: Flood Concerns and Elevation Discussions
- 00:07:23: Public Comment: Flood Plain Discussion Continued
- 00:08:22: Public Comment: Utilities, Road Paving, Roundabout Questions
- 00:10:19: Public Comment: Road Paving Costs and Narrow Lot Dimensions
- 00:12:26: Public Comment: Single Family Homes vs. Twin Homes
- 00:14:23: Commission Discussion & Recommendation: Rezoning and Plat
- 00:19:12: Final Plat Approval Recommendation: Highlands 7 Development
- 00:23:28: Safe Built Quarterly Update: Permits and Building Activity
- 00:30:53: Apartment Building Status Update and Parking Discussion
- 00:34:25: Legislative Update: Failed Starter Homes Act Impact
- 00:36:20: New Business: Wig Property Semi Traffic Concerns


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This conference will now be recorded. at the clock work is 5:30. So, we'll call the meeting to order. Um, first item is the agenda. Is there any additions or corrections to the agenda? >> Uh, I'm going to make one correction. I'm going to be I'd like to request to remove 6B, which is zoning ordinance

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amendment proposal. Okay. >> The only reason for that is because I've yet to hear back from the attorney on possible guidance on it. So, I don't want to >> propose anything yet until I actually have some legal direction on that. So,

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>> anything else? That's it. Can we get a motion to approve the amended agenda? >> Then I'll second. >> Okay. Sure. >> Motion to approve the agenda as amended. All those in favor say I. I >> say nay. Motion carries. 4 0.

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Okay. The minutes for the last meeting for March in your packets. >> Guess Tom and I were the only ones that were here. Not Tom, but >> Yep.

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>> I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes from the last meeting. It's been moved. There a second. been moved and second that we approve the minutes from last meeting. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Say nay. Motion carries. 400.

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>> Okay. We're near the time for the public hearing. So I guess we'll open the hearing for maybe let's any preliminary you want to say before we open the hearing. >> Sure. Uh so we received um a preliminary plat application from Mark Mangan and

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Ben Olsen realy um to subdivide the lot at 612 St. Paul Road into five lots for single family houses. Um and so I brought this up last month just asformational only just that heads up this was on its way um because we didn't have all the corrected materials at the

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time. So we've received that application and you can see a map there in your packet on what they're planning to do. Um it's just the preliminary plat you can see in there. Um so that's just the basically the overall summary documents for it. Our engineers have reviewed this

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and recommended conditional approval. The conditions are that they satisfy the rest of the engineering issues for the final plat. So you'll still see that next month as well. Um so this is just a preliminary like the kind of first look at it, first approvals for for things to

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move forward. Um, for context, they did previously do a minor subdivision uh about 5 years ago for this anyways, which was approved by city council. Um, so this is kind of just going back to that and getting ready. Um, you may have questions about, well, who's developing

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this? There's actually no developer attached. According to our city ordinance, because of the lot this size and for the amount of lots they want to put out, they're just doing it because this is what they have to do legally to actually subdivide the lots into five

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different separate distinct lots. And this will be recorded and then they will go and sell each lot either all together individually. I'm not really sure. That's kind of up to them. Um so those are kind of the preliminary uh items for you to kind of think about. Um the

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reasonzoning aspect is that this is currently an industrial property >> due to the business and that it used to be that way and a lot of the area around there was industrial before then obviously because it's proximity to the rest of the industrial kind of park in that area. Um and we'd be looking to

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move that into residential. >> Okay. >> So what we have to decide tonight is looking at the resoning primarily >> reszoning and preliminary plat. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. I'll open the hearing for comments now. Do you want to uh if anyone wants to say

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anything about this pro or con or it's open houses instead of that a single family home? >> I don't know that's been determined. >> That paper we got was five single family

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home. I live out there. We don't want those kids running up. >> Uh are perfect for us old people. I I guess it's still kind of up to the developer. I guess that could still change. >> There is no developer technically. So,

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it's just the owner, Mark Mangan, wanting to sell the lots basically at this point. Whoever comes in there will kind of get say on what they do. I guess the plan is for single family lots, but again, that could still change. We don't have >> What I got to do is put my name in get

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up. I want to get I want to talk to you. They get two get a couple anyway. >> Yeah. before Mark even sells them, he's got to know what he wants in there, doesn't he? >> I'm I'm not too sure. I guess it's up to

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him and the realtor and their engineers. Uh it's not really the city to decide. >> I guess I'm guessing how how wide are the locks? >> How what >> how wide are they? >> Uh they're pretty narrow and that's because they it it goes back towards the

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river. I don't have the exact parameters on how wide it is, but they still fit within our ordinance for for width on a single family lot. >> Single family. That's what I'm saying. Even in a double double one, they probably wouldn't meet that. >> I don't know. Yeah, it would it would depend. I think

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>> right in her house. She gets a foot of water in one time. Oh, >> thank you for sharing that. Yeah, >> but that that's what it said. >> That but that's what it said.

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>> And the only lot that's in trouble would be the one that's closest to my garage >> and that they'd have to bring in more fill otherwise they might have water in their backyard. >> That would be in the far northwest part. >> Huh? >> Would that be the far northwest part of

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the property? >> Sal. >> Okay. the one closest. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Because that was my question too as as far as flood plane. Where does this lie as far as only according or according to

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the federal maps on the flood planes? They are only in a portion of the property. And according to our ordinance and Minnesota standards, our engineers always request that it's they raise the elevation on when they build the lots. So whenever these houses go in, they

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will be raised up like a foot or two so that they accommodate for that flood plane risk. >> Is there enough where they did put fill or will they have to bring in more? >> I I don't know. >> Yeah, it would go. I didn't put that one

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in there. And they >> something like that. And these >> they aren't they aren't plotted out yet, but that'll be like this. >> That's what I was just asking. What we have here is just flat. >> Yeah. >> Not much information. >> Yeah.

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>> Any other comments? >> I'm sorry. Sorry. >> Yeah. I just any other comments from anyone. Any other questions? and gutter will be brought in then when they start this >> I believe any idea

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>> I believe that's part of the city that is part of the plan is that that and then the road would be paved as well as the utilities brought in for for these lots as well. Um there's not really a timeline on that because because of the cost because the city's already working on a Pleasant Avenue

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project right now and we kind of have a set timeline of capital improvements and when the streets get done. So we don't really know the timeline on that. Part of it kind of hinges on my place because they're not actually developing.

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Does that last lot? >> Yeah, I I don't know what the exact plan was. I because again, a lot of this was done way before me because I remember a lot of this was put in when they originally put the town homes in. Um I think the plan was to put a roundabout kind of out by you maybe. Um, I don't

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know if that's still the plan. I think we still want to >> become that's what I had heard. >> I you know I just I don't know. I some of these just kind of come down to the engineers and um I can provide kind of the engineering documents at the next

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planning meeting for the final plat as well. >> Yeah. When the final plot will come in, those details will be decided right now. I guess we're just looking at the concept of whether to change it, zoning change, and >> whether the whole thing makes some sense. >> The guy that runs the city

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administrator, whatever he is, he told me that they won't black that road because they have to start off at Bley. They go all the way then they have to spend $2 million on a bridge because you can't do a turnabout there because it's all private

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property and then keep going. And he said the city does not want to spend $2 million anyway. But >> well I mean you're exactly right. We are not going to be spending $2 million on this project anytime in the near future.

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>> Yeah. And again at some point it's going to get it's going to get done. Um, it's a matter of when honestly because it's really one of the only roads in town that isn't that way and we get complaints about it all the time. Um, and at some point it will. It's just a

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matter of when because previously the city council decided not to pave that road because of push back that we had on on doing that. But it's not in our current timeline on getting done. Just don't know when. um because this is kind

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of just kind of sprang up this spring here and in this winter. Um so it wasn't in our capital improvements plan and those will change over time, but we're not looking I mean the earliest it could probably happen is 2029

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maybe. So I I just don't know right now. They're not platted yet. >> This is a preliminary plat and a reszone. >> We don't I I don't have the exact like dimensions on it, but they're probably going to be more narrow than what you would typically see on other on other

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lots just because of the way the property structured just going back towards the river. um but they would still meet our overall dimensions for our city code and like the 6,000 square foot lots and um what what we require. So

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>> as far as now it's it's going to be single family, but again we don't have a developer attached to the project. It's just so they can sell the lots. Um but that would be determined at a future date, I think. So, if we approve the five lots

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and they want to go to twin homes, they wouldn't be room for five lots then. >> Um, so that's to be determined later then. >> Well, we would know by the final plat. I mean, you'll you you'll see that next month for sure. Um, but again, I they're not the weird unique aspect about this

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one is that they're not the ones building this. So, this could still change when a someone buys these lots. Maybe they want to do something completely different. I'm not sure. Um, and so that's kind of why this one's unique as compared to like our highlands

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up in the golf course where they're ready to go. They have they have the builders and so they're exactly know exactly what they're putting in which spots. But this one's a little bit odd because, you know, we're working with a realtor rather than a builder. So,

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>> and they could join two lots. I mean, we do that, don't we? >> We do that sometimes. Um, so it would just depend. And one of the reasons a pre-limiting plaque kind of works is because we have specific requirements on how often you can minor subdivide a lot.

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So, we'd have to see when that would happen because they did it before. It was five years ago. So, they met their requirement. They might have to wait five years again. um if they wanted to do that instead because we're doing this now. So

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>> who responsible put the water and sewer into all these lots and the people that are buying the lots then? >> Well, the cost would be incurred by the the developer and then they would probably put it on the houses when they sell them. It's kind of how they usually do it.

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>> The developer pays for it and then they figure it in the price of the lot. >> Yeah. Right. Are there any are there comments from the public? Okay, I'll close the public hearing and open for more discussion from the commission. So, any other questions or comments from

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the commission? >> Do we have any concerns that it's a it's a industrial lot or zoned industrial now wanting to switch to residential? like are there any

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>> restrictions or concerns with that reszone change? >> I would say from a city perspective, we don't have any. And because this property has been over time trying to get to this point where they can sell the lots. So, like we've had we did have

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some comments uh I received um privately over the phone um you know talking about well you know the viewership of of the town home side to the river and wanting to be able to go up to that still. Well, those used to be trees all there and they cleared those out so they could get to this point where they could sell

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these lots for houses to get put in. And we talked about the minor subdivision. They did that at one point on the prospect of selling these lots and doing the housing. Anyways, so we've kind of reviewed this before. It's just been years since then and so things have

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changed. >> The adjacent property is residential across the road. >> Across the road. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. We got other other areas in town that are set aside for industrial versus I mean I would think the

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neighbors up there would rather have residential homes there than industrial over there anyway. >> You know >> is this a highly traveled road now? >> No, it's a dead end road. >> That's the roundabout on the other end to turn around.

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>> How do these people get out? Just >> out this way. Sure. >> Yeah, they're all out. >> Oh, >> okay. >> Well, I know how you could get town houses there. You become the developer. >> What?

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>> You become the developer. >> Well, I sure wouldn't be able water for sure. >> Yeah. I think the water plug plan is down by the river there, isn't it? Yeah. They build them up. top layers here. It looks like it that would be the potential area.

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There you go. >> All right. So, any other comments or questions or open for motion on this action? >> Do we need to have two? One for the plat and one for the reason.

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>> I would think that would be appropriate. I will move to um approve the reszone from the industrial to is it R >> res it probably go R2 would be my guess >> which would allow the single family and

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>> duplex >> right do a second >> I'll second it >> okay it's been moved and seconded that we recommend a to the council a reszoning of this area from business to residential is there any other discussion or questions

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>> to approve the preliminary plat. >> I'll be a second motion. >> So all those in favor of the reszone say I. >> I say nay. >> Motion carries 400. Now the preliminary plat

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alterate from one lot to multiple lots. We get a motion on that. >> I'll move to approve the preliminary plat. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay. It's been moved and seconded that we recommend to the council approval of

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the preliminary plan. All those in favor say I. I post say nay. Motion carries 400 Z. Thank you all. Thank you for coming up. Okay, we go. Item five on the agenda is old business.

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>> Do we have any old business to tend to? >> Uh none. >> Okay, that's easy enough. Go to item six, new business. Final plat for the Highland 7. Thank you. Uh so we received application from Bigalow Homes to for a final plat

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to construct 28 single family homes along Zumbra Golf Course. We held a public hearing for the preliminary plat on February 10th with about a dozen residents or so. Um we heard some comments regarding construction timeline, uh road access, um possible

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inclusion of a park. Um, and then city engineer Bill Ingramman submitted a review letter to the city and recommended conditional approval of the final plant. I don't believe I put that letter in here. Um, but most of the all the items on there have been satisfied by this point. Um, they've been working

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with Samitech, which is the contractor uh engineer who has done the plans on on these. Um, so most of those items have been satisfied at this point and that will be available for council review uh on Thursday. Um, so yeah, I'm looking to

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looking to move this forward um to get for to get to council this this week here. >> So we don't need a public hearing on it. We're just looking at finalizing the recommendation. >> Yeah, just finalizing. We don't need any public hearings at this point. >> One question I had go ahead and these

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streets. Are these full width streets or are these narrow traffic reducing streets? Are they narrow or are they the wire? >> They're going to be the wide ones. >> They're going to be the wider ones. Okay. That's >> I think that got caught ended on the plan. >> Yes. They got changed. Okay.

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>> Because where they came in, they were going to be a little bit narrower >> and the engineers sent it back to them and said they had to be this what the match pushed out there. >> It's already built on now. >> Yeah. >> I drove through there the other day and that narrow street. They slow you down.

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Still could be scary at night with kids. But I think that all got changed to the on this >> mall. >> I wasn't sure about the narrow street. >> And how wide is a wide street? >> Uh it's 50 ft is the rightway

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back. >> So it's a regular size. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That that's that's that's what you've got out there now. >> Yeah. much to to extend it. >> I think I think >> I'm just not sure. There's two streets. I'm not sure.

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I don't bring I had a conversation with Bill. >> Yeah. No, that's >> at the public hearing that question was asked. >> Okay. >> That they coming on six there. That was what was

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preliminary here was a little narrower than what you were joining up to. So, it's going to match what you've already got there. That's the way I understood it. >> That's the way I understood it. >> Any other questions or comments?

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>> Are you open for a motion? The lot sizes are all um typical of what you have out there. I mean they look some of them vary but they meet the minimums. >> Yep. Yep. They they all meet the minimums. And to be fair this is also currently in a plan unit development

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>> so some of those change. >> Now we are kind of working on that anyways too because I don't know why all I I well right now we're obviously still in construction phase but we have a lot of planning and developments around the city. Um, so we

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are looking at kind of those items, but I mean for where it currently is, I mean, they're still in construction phases and there's still, you know, there's still room to grow here, so it's it's it's in the correct spot. >> Well, I'll make the motion that we recommend to the council approval of

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this final plat. >> I'll second. >> It's moved in second that we recommend to the council approval of the final plat. All those in favor say I. >> I. Post say nay. Motion carries 400.

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>> Thank you for coming out. >> All right. Then we get other on the agenda, safe built quarterly update. >> Yep. Uh so I'm just providing the first quarter update for our safe built permitting. Um so you can see kind of where we're at for now. Um I would say,

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you know, it's been a pretty active start to the year I would say. Um, from my perspective, um, we've had some bigger items. Uh, namely the biggest one was the Keller Bartman apartment building permit coming through. Okay. >> Um, so that is a large I mean, you look

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at the fees paid. Um, that's most I mean, I don't know if that's on this one in particular, but um, that's that was a significant cost for them. Um, so that that would be a large portion of that of that sum. Um, but I would say, you know,

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it's been pretty active so far. Um, and we're going to progress into our kind of our hotter times of the year. So, just for your review, >> I had one question on this, you got a new single family house residential. You got a 2,285,000. Oh, that's six of them. Okay.

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>> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> Six single. >> Yeah. Is that difficult for a six in the first quarter of the year to get six new ones going or >> Well, I they've kind of been kind of

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carryover. So, I think a couple of them were the ones on 9inth Street. So, they were kind of going and they're kind of going now. So, so it's kind of these kind of like little odd ones. So, we don't they haven't been like part of a development or anything, but the just those kind of couple odd ones like the Anthony Court ones I think maybe were

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part of this quarter as well. Okay. So, those kind of just couple like one or two kind of just odd balls that were just here and there. So, >> I'm just wondering how the numbers because you go out by this on the highlands on the six there and seems like they're just growing up like mushrooms. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I mean especially when

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the Highlands 7th will probably end up getting getting going like we'll probably see a significant portion of them too. Okay. >> So, >> any other questions for miles? >> Yeah. What are these plumbing like what is that? House plumbing or >> Yeah. require repairs um >> in a house. Yep.

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>> They have to come if they want to get a sink replaced or something. >> Basically, the way I see it is basically almost everything you do basically needs a permit. Um >> really? >> Yep. And so there's some items where you don't really need them like fences. Um even sometimes I maybe even like a deck

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sometimes, but um but basically everything that's in there is something. >> Anything you do to your house, you should have a permit. >> That's definitely better safe than sorry, I would say. Now again, are we gonna find out about it? Maybe not. But, you know, it's always better because if

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you get caught, it's >> suspect because a lot of water heaters are replaced without a permit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Or even replacing a single appliance. Is that like just an appliance in the kitchen? >> Well, I don't know about stuff like that, but >> No, if you were having electrical work

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done for sure if you're replplumbing something, but if you're >> I think over here though it's about a furnace and whatever too. So, >> a lot of these ones I don't see specifically because they don't apply to city work. So, like our state build, they handle plumbing inspections, they

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do electrical. >> Um, they they do all that code compliance for us. So, right, >> I don't have to do that and so I don't see them very often. So, they kind of go through without my notice until I see the fees for it. Um, but um yeah, and so

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basically everything gets a permit and some of them are just flat fees. So, they're basically you apply for it and you kind of get it. Um, and then sometimes they need more review ahead of it >> or sometimes they do it before

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>> or they they start and then all they find out that they're doing it and then our inspector goes out there and says, "Hey, you need a permit." And then that kind of stalls things for a while. So, >> interesting. Shows growth, you know, shows that

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things are Right. >> What's this? One building without a permit. One fees paid zero. >> First page. >> Small shed as well. >> Oh, I see. >> I don't know. Uh that could have been the one on Main Street. I'm not too sure

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how it was. >> But they paid the fees already know, right? >> Yes, they did. I don't know if it was classified into a separate permit, though. So, I I don't I don't know. I don't have all the exact ones on there. I'd have to go back in and look to see which one that was. >> I don't recall seeing anything like

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that. >> So, do you know approximately them six permits for housing 2 million fees paid 20,000? >> Does that generate very much money for the city? >> Well, so Safe Bill takes most of the cut. So, they take 80% because they do

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all the code compliance reviews and we keep 20%. >> We keep 20% of them fees. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, and all the payments come directly to us and we reimburse them. So, um, so everything comes to us initially and then they take whatever is left. Um, but I will say too, our fees

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are actually pretty much I mean there's I mean we just upped them, you know, last year, but they're still lower than a lot of our other communities, especially I just spoke with Good County about this because they're going to be rolling out their own system. Um, and they're they're significantly higher.

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Well, maybe not significantly higher, but areas. >> Yeah. >> So, they've been working pretty good with >> Yeah, they've been great. Um, the other inspectors, I think, are liked. I mean, I I think people don't really have a problem with our inspectors that we use

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um through them. They're they do a good job and they're very responsive. They handle all this stuff for me, too. So, I mean, you know, I don't have formal training in building code, so I can't review this stuff. And so, uh, it definitely takes a burden off our back. You know, it's not the biggest money maker, but legally it can't be. You

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know, we can't just use this money for anything we want. So, you know, it's basically only to upkeep the ability for us to actually do these. So, it really makes us no money generally, but, you know, it's >> not intended.

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>> It moves it does well for us. I I do get complaints about uh the length of time for building permits that come in and that they spend in code compliance review, but um that's something that I I've brought up before. But again, you know, >> how long does it take normally?

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>> Well, it depends on the thing. So, you know, we get kind of the maybe complaints for larger, you know, we got it from, you know, you know, like the apartment building or something, right? And it's like if they complained about it, then >> that build that building permit was in there probably for three or four months.

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>> Yeah. And that's >> awaiting review. But that's a massive building. >> Yeah. >> You know, and it's if it's a deck and you know, I would say a week turnaround. >> That's not That's like for a roof or side. >> Yeah. It's it's pretty quick. I would say for the most part, it's just those big ones that we get that can take a

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while, but there's more that goes into it. There's engineering reviews. Um, >> and that's typical. That timeline is typical for review. I can tell you that. >> You see the apartment building status of that or what's the status? I see they got the fence up now every year. >> Yep. The plan that I know of is that

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they're starting demo basically any day. Um that shoe marker is on standby um to start demolition and they'll go from there. Um I the contractor or the general contractor I've spoken to a couple times and he put the fence up. Um but yeah, he's he's ready to go whenever

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they're starting to move. We have everything paid up. um development agreement fees all paid up, building permit fees all paid up. So um >> problems with the parking not being available anymore. >> We've heard some complaints, but um but again, it's kind of temporary until the

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building opens up and then that parking opens up for everybody. But we have other city lots that are Katy Corner. >> People have found spots, so then it's worked out. >> Yeah. And I mean, if we if we're being really honest with you, I mean, the parking for a lot of the stuff downtown

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isn't in compliance anyways, technically um against our ordinance. So, you know, say what you want, but >> legit. >> Well, some of the parking for downtown isn't technically in compliance anyways. >> Is that in compliance? You're saying not? >> Yeah, because they have some apartment

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buildings and technically you need two spots for every unit or for everything. and well they don't or they use the city lots and so they're not providing adequate parking anyways. Now that's really neither here nor there because >> we of course let anyone use our city

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lots because why not? Um but you know that's kind of the argument I suppose. But we've kind of opened up the ability for you know you can kind of use the library um overnight if you need it. You know the street parking is going to be available since winter is about over.

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Knock on wood. Um, and then we have our city lots, Kitty Corner, that are available too, um, the same as it was before. And then once the building opens up, which should be, uh, they should be done, I mean, close to beginning of winter next year, um, then those will

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open back up and be available for anyone to use. So, um, so it should, it's just kind of a temporary thing. >> Beginning of the winter in 27 then. >> Yep. That's the original timeline is what they gave us, but they were obviously delayed a bit. So, we might push into like December a little bit

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this year, but they they're moving pretty quick on this and they should have this building put up pretty fast, I think. So, um it's just the way they it's so the same way they did the first building, too. Um they've kind offsite, but they're hauling it in in parts

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>> modules. >> Yeah. So, I don't know how it really works, but the way they use it, they say, yeah, it goes in quick. So, >> so were they all were they always planning on blocking off all the side this parking on West Avenue there?

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>> On West Avenue for I didn't notice that >> across from Neielson's where a lot of Neielson's people park. >> Oh yeah. Well, part is because the lot kind of juts out into that easement a little bit and so they're just make sure they have enough space >> on this end. You mean?

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>> Yeah. to put the fence up so that they can haul the demo in and do the building construction. Um, as far as I know, that was always the plan, but >> I was just a little surprised that they took up all that parking off. >> They're all fenced in. >> But again, those will open back up when

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the building >> No, I realize that that for now though. I mean, >> you got them. >> Is never full anyway. But I think a lot of the workers parked there to leave that open, >> right? They park up by the wall.

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>> Okay. And then legislative update. >> Uh I did mention earlier last year or not earlier last year but November. So that I would be tracking legislation that we might be interested in. Um and so I was tracking a bill that had a lot

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of interest from legislators called the Starter Homes Act. If we've maybe heard of it or not. It ultimately failed this time around, but it would have taken a lot of local authority away over zoning regulations and basically saying that

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housing can go anywhere in any zone was my interpretation. Um, we had lots of push back from cities and our lobbyists from League of Minnesota cities pushed back hard on it. It did ultimately fail for now, but it will be brought back. So, that was kind of my update was just

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heads up. That was that was the big one that I saw. Everything else has either failed or died um for this term for the legislature. Um so I there's nothing else of interest to me, but that was the big one. And it got in committee um but

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didn't go anywhere, but I suspect we'll see it again. So it's just a way for them. >> What's the What's the reason behind that? Do you know >> why it failed? >> No. What What's the push to have it? I think what the argument is that they

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want a way to increase the supply of housing. Yep. And they want more housing available. >> So they don't want a dude to limit it to the big houses and big lots. >> Right. >> Yep. So they again it's the same argument with um you know you talk about modular homes, trailer homes where they want to make it available in any zone.

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So you can't just deny it. They want to just basically say the city does not have the right to say no to housing going in, >> right? and that it just has to go in if a developer wants to put it there. >> Again, that's kind of depends on what argument you have regarding it, but

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yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Any other business? >> Yeah, we had talked about the Wig property up here >> and there semis in and out up there all the time. And I see it's it's zoned residential, duplex, and triplex.

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But there was a semi in there again tonight unloading and there been they I've been watching and it's very often that they come up my street and drive in and unload and so is that okay? >> Well, where where's this property?

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Because maybe I can pull it up >> the end of um 9th going into I suppose it's still called 190th across from where the new >> uh houses are going in on Ninth Street. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Uh, well, >> that's all that's all it is own

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residential. >> Yeah, it's owned residential, duplex, and triplex. And it's owned by the lady that it says owned by the gal that owns that busy baby. >> Busy baby. >> Yeah, she lives. >> She she bought she bought that to put her business in. Yeah,

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>> she bought the whole thing. >> I guess my interpretation because we've looked at it before because we get lots of calls on it. I think it must be up for sale because we get a lot of calls on the zoning for this. I guess my interpretation was that it must be grandfathered in and obviously this all predates me of course. Um but I think

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this must have been grandfathered in with the rest of the zone. >> It's not for sale in MLS now. It's expired as uh it looked like it was a lease. >> Oh, I see. Okay. >> Because it's valued at $2,197,000. >> That's what you paid for it. >> Yeah. Um, but I mean as far as the

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traffic that goes in there, I don't think the zoning code has anything to say about it. I don't know about the parking. I mean, again, the use is obviously not residential. >> Well, the thing is with the semis coming up 9inth Street and 13th Street. >> Well, I mean, it will be when you built >> and using those our our ninth street is

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in terrible shape anyway and the city does not seem interested in fixing it >> when it was >> and we now have all this semi-trapping going up there and they come right back down. They go east and then they come back >> west. It's um >> all that it was still township.

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>> Oh yeah. >> And they just about >> I mean when they go by my house it's just like >> okay >> my house doesn't shake but it could >> as nois >> with all the >> Well, the city council could I mean you can

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>> indicate truck routes right and limit truck traffic. I'd have to look into Fred and I just talking when they built that warehouse up there, it was still township property. >> Yeah, it was. That's right. >> And so when it was annexed to the city,

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>> apparently nothing ever got changed as far as limiting or zoning its use there. You know, I don't know if that warehouse went in there when that still was pro was township property because they've been they built up their >> after after that big,

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>> you know, the basic big shed that's got the our apartments in it, right? >> That was their but I believe they built that >> warehouse now that they're taking the cargo into. >> Okay. >> Was after >> I don't know about >> this whole deal with annex.

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>> It's a good question. You know, I'll look into it and I'll kind of see what our code says about that because I mean, if the truck routes thing is for real, I can I can look into that and we can we can talk to council and see what they say. >> I've got pictures of the semis. I mean, I've been taking I walk up there and when they're unloading, I take a picture of them. So, there

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>> we'll see >> as far as the road goes and we did plan to do that at one point, but they pushed back and it was deferred. We'll we'll so I don't know but >> we want to do it at some point but again >> even if they would come in and fix

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between myer hopper driveway >> that you come around that corner and I mean there are potholes there that you avoid if you're not going to wreck your car. You don't want to get me. >> Why can't they just hire somebody to come in and fill those holes and just

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fix that little >> when you come in the driveway? The the main building sits here >> from our driveway >> back over here >> on east. It's not good. But it's not that dangerous is what it is at that corner where my >> main building is just >> there's got to be a little bit of money that they could find to fix those

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potholes and get that corner >> piece. I can check in on that >> when he he had it. >> Tell him that was brought up at this. >> He was leasing, but a lot of it's empty. >> Don't tell him. >> That green.

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You should drive up there. I mean, if you wanted to see what it is, they closed up there. >> It's a corner of night. >> They were closed up there when they came down here. Oh, pretty sure. >> Coming up night. >> Anyway, we chat her on. Is there any other business or should we uh adjourn?

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>> Nothing else remain motion. >> Anyone want to make a motion to >> I make a motion to second. >> Move a second that we adjourn. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay. Motion carries at 6:10 p.m. We're journ. Thank you all for coming, contributing.

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>> This this whole thing on St. Paul Road may just seems I mean it wasn't much of a preliminary plan that we had. I mean, I have all the construction plans for