WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=vN5ozWf2m8Y Part: 1 1 00:00:02.159 --> 00:00:25.039 This conference will now be recorded. Close enough. [clears throat] It's about 5:30. We're going to call the meeting to order. Uh first item is to adopt a menu agenda. Is there any additions or corrections to the agenda? >> Motion to approve. 2 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:40.160 >> A second. >> Second. >> Okay. It has been moved and seconded we approve the agenda as printed. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Post say nay. Okay. Motion carries. 600. >> Okay. Next up is the approve the minutes 3 00:00:40.160 --> 00:00:58.800 from the last meeting June meeting printed out in your packets there. If you could review those. >> It doesn't say that that was voted on or it says cannabis cultivation motion and seconded. >> Yeah. But is that okay? 4 00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:17.759 >> Probably should say it was recommended for approval, right? >> Okay. >> Part afterwards. >> Okay. >> Otherwise, I think it looks okay. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from the June meeting. >> A second. >> Second it. 5 00:01:17.759 --> 00:01:32.960 >> All those in favor say I. >> I. Say nay. Motion carries 600. Okay. Um, we're early for our public hearing, so I guess we can move on to the old business. Maybe cover that first. 6 00:01:32.960 --> 00:01:50.640 >> Uh, sure. Yeah, this is pretty um provide quarterly update from from state built for our building permits from April to July. So, I guess for the new members, I usually just do a quarterly update of how many we have and what they are and what the valuations 7 00:01:50.640 --> 00:02:06.399 look like. So, you can kind of look at those numbers in there. Um, so, um, I don't think there was anything too crazy in this one. You might have seen the permit for the apartment building in there. It I think is in this one. Um, 8 00:02:06.399 --> 00:02:23.640 but other than that, there shouldn't be anything too surprising. Um, so yeah, just kind of for information only, but um, take a look and if you have any questions, just let me know and um, I can try to answer to the best of my knowledge at least. 9 00:02:31.760 --> 00:02:47.599 Uh >> yeah, I guess it's been a little bit slow. We got a couple in the works right now. I know for sure. Um but I don't think they've been issued yet. Um and then we'll have the Highlands starting up probably in the next Well, they have 10 00:02:47.599 --> 00:03:03.680 started actually. They haven't pulled any permits yet, but um they've moved dirt over there. So that's getting moving. Um so that's the only thing I'm aware of though. Couple houses on 9inth Street that are in the works right now. I think I think two more. Um so those 11 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:20.000 permits are in but nothing issued yet. So >> yes, I believe so. >> What is building without a permit? What is that? too. >> That would be like if someone they did the work and it was noticed from our inspector that they never got a 12 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:36.480 permit for it, like if they drove past or something and then they just tell them, "Hey, you need to go get a permit for that." So, they have to go fill in a permit and have record of it or something. I don't really know how it works generally with safe build. So, um but but then they would have to do an 13 00:03:36.480 --> 00:03:52.879 additional permit on top of that one. So, I think that's just like a note almost for those permits. Um, so >> a way for them to track it possibly. >> Yeah. I don't know which ones these ones are in reference to though. So, >> probably more applicable for their insurance than anything else. 14 00:03:52.879 --> 00:04:16.400 >> Yeah, we get I get a lot of calls from insurance looking for building permits. So, it's probably for that mainly. >> So, we'll call the public hearing to order. So, uh, topic is the, uh, vacation of 15 00:04:16.400 --> 00:04:32.479 the alley behind 308 Main Street. Um, we have no public here for comments. Did you get any written comments or calls? >> Nothing. Um, I'm going to explain this. I didn't put a lot in my memo and that 16 00:04:32.479 --> 00:04:49.680 was because it's hard to explain a little bit. So, I'm going to talk like a teacher a little bit here and explain it. So, um basically Dave Zimmerman and Roxan Bart are looking to um they're looking to 17 00:04:49.680 --> 00:05:05.520 construct a patio behind their lot. So, they're here. They're looking to construct a patio out in this general area. >> So, this is technically an alley right now. So they would like to subdivide this or sorry vacate this a portion of 18 00:05:05.520 --> 00:05:21.520 the alley like to here generally um as you can see in the survey that they did and then they would retain that land. They would as well be purchasing this land here which is owned 19 00:05:21.520 --> 00:05:37.039 by the Fredericksons. Well, they have a purchase agreement in place and they would be taking a chunk from the city right here, which again, as you know, this is really weird because they're like triangular lots. You can't really do anything with it anyways, but this is 20 00:05:37.039 --> 00:05:53.840 here because there's a culvert here underground. Um, now our engineer doesn't have any worries about that or anything. Um, in this alleyway there are no public utilities. It's all private. So, they'll be getting private easements anyways. Um, so generally right now to 21 00:05:53.840 --> 00:06:09.600 start off with is the street vacation. They're looking to vacate this portion of the alley in order to move forward. Basically, um, I talked to the county because right down here, technically, it jumps out to the property to the south's 22 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:26.319 land, but this is their property line. So, it doesn't even go against the alley. So, it will not convey to them. It'll only convey to to Zimmerman. And then also half of it will come to the city because we're on the other side of the alley. Now, they're still going to 23 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:44.240 get that land because if the city ends up doing this, then um then they would get that portion, too. Now, to get the city land, we don't just give it for free. So, they're proposing to swap some land. So, as you note in the survey, the 24 00:06:44.240 --> 00:07:01.039 parcel A's and B's are actually new parcels. So those are going to be the new parcels. The Fredericksons will keep, you know, they're building basically because I don't know why this land even comes out this way, but then the city would get this portion down 25 00:07:01.039 --> 00:07:19.039 here to complete our section. So basically, we'd be swapping these parking spaces for these parking spaces. Um, so monetary value-wise, I don't really know what the difference is, but this portion would not sell at all 26 00:07:19.039 --> 00:07:35.599 because of the covert. You can't do anything with it. It's just going to be parking basically. So, that's basically the general idea. Now, there's a lot of legal work that I need to do on the back end, but to start off with, what they've petitioned to do right now is do the 27 00:07:35.599 --> 00:07:51.599 street vacation. And afterwards, I'm going to kind of figure out what to do next. So, um I'm still waiting for some guidance from our attorney. Um just because it's a little bit complex since there's three different owners here. Um but it's going to take a little bit of time, but I think we'll be able to do 28 00:07:51.599 --> 00:08:06.800 it. I don't really know how. I'm looking for kind of an easier way to get it done rather than doing everything on my list here. Um but um that's kind of the general idea. So, I kind of wanted to show you a little bit because it was a little bit hard to describe in writing 29 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:23.680 for me. So, I hope that kind of paints a little bit of a visual image, but their idea is basically they want to construct a patio in order to attract a restaurant. >> Remind us of what buildings are there like is that the Wild Ginger building or what? >> Yeah, I think it's old Soul and Wild 30 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:39.839 Ginger >> across from the old bank. >> I looked it up and I didn't remember what was doing. >> Bank is here. are here in >> place because you said the plumbing. >> Okay. 31 00:08:39.839 --> 00:08:58.000 >> There's steps going down there. >> So, basically they have a kind of they're working on their basement right now doing renovations. And so, the idea is that they're going to get a restaurant to come into this space and then utilize that patio for open space because actually this wall right here, like there's stairwells going up, but 32 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:15.839 this alley goes nowhere. So there's >> and obviously I have no opinion on the matter, but there's really no purpose. There's no public utilities there. >> I mean, >> so the one question, the aqueduct going underneath through there, is that going to some kind of access easement for if 33 00:09:15.839 --> 00:09:32.800 that ever needs to be repaired or anything? >> Yeah, there would be an easement we would probably do with that just as like a, hey, by the way, in the future if we need to get in there, we will. But the good news is that they're not constructing a building. They're constructing a patio >> that's property then that you know 34 00:09:32.800 --> 00:09:48.480 access for the repair if it's ever needed because down the road I could see somebody forgetting about it. >> Right. That's kind of why I'm kind of looking for some guidance from our attorney because I don't want in 10 to 15 years there to be an issue. Um and so 35 00:09:48.480 --> 00:10:03.680 because that's why even right now I'm confused because you know this Frederickson land is part of their building. I don't know why that's the case. um you know so um we're just kind of looking at trying to get this sorted out 36 00:10:03.680 --> 00:10:19.920 in a reasonable way and I want to do it right the first time so we don't have to like come back a thousand times to redo things here. Um so uh Dave Roxan did I get everything there for you? Um I don't I hope I explained 37 00:10:19.920 --> 00:10:45.839 it well but um I think you're on mute there. >> Are we okay? Can you hear us now? >> Yep. Yeah. >> Okay. Um hopefully you can uh hear me. You know, just a little background. 38 00:10:45.839 --> 00:11:01.519 Several years ago, I talked to Dana I talked to Dana Frederickson about kind of what our uh you know dream was I guess for a for a restaurant in the basement and said you 39 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:18.399 know we've been to places like WA Frost in the cities and they've got a nice patio out there and they've got a little structure where they can serve food and beverages out of and and it would be really cool to do something like that downtown, you know, behind a restaurant downtown. 40 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:31.839 And that was several years ago. And then just last year, several months ago, Dana came to me and asked if we wanted to buy that. And so I said, "Well, yeah, I'm still interested in doing that as long as we 41 00:11:31.839 --> 00:11:49.040 can get um the city to agree to um sell us some of the property and vacate the alley and everything. So, we've got a nice area back there that we can build a patio on for a restaurant. So, 42 00:11:49.040 --> 00:12:03.680 that's what all this is about basically. >> So, we paid we have a survey done. >> Yeah. So, we had a I paid to have a survey done, professional survey, so that it's not going to really cost the city anything. you know, I guess it's 43 00:12:03.680 --> 00:12:20.959 going to cost a mile some time, but um as far as, you know, the fees with the county and all that stuff, we would pay for. And uh so I was hoping to make it as easy as possible for you guys to to do this. I think it's going to be a 44 00:12:20.959 --> 00:12:37.360 great asset to the downtown as a whole. And so I guess that's where we're at. I think Miles did a good job of of explaining it. Okay, >> it's a goofy lot. At least we have a 45 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:52.880 good survey now because we didn't have >> So now we have a survey that we can talk, you know, make sense out of. So, >> right. And we've also done a we've had a lot of talk um not just from a city 46 00:12:52.880 --> 00:13:10.320 standpoint but just as a general uh from you know from our business community as well about the desire to have a restaurant. Um I mean it's kind of a big it's been a big talking point. We the city has kind of partners with um like a business group here in Zimroto 47 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:26.800 just the Zimroa area business leaders. Um, we've talked about it a dozen times. Um, and you know, it's definitely a goal for the city, right? That we want, you know, some sort of economic development with restaurants because, you know, it's it's a need for us and it's a it's a 48 00:13:26.800 --> 00:13:42.000 want and it's something that I think attracts a lot of people here as well. Um, you know, we've got a great park, we've got a great um we got a great main street as well. Um, and you know, being able to build on that is I think this is an opportunity we can do that without 49 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:57.680 hopefully too much headache. Um, where the city doesn't have to go out and pay for it, you know, where we have someone that's willing to do this. Um, so um, but anyways, again, where it comes to all this land use stuff, that stuff I'll 50 00:13:57.680 --> 00:14:15.120 probably do on the back end here to to make it work. But, you know, from where we are right now, a survey has been complete. we can see the lots where they are. Um, as far as I'm aware based off what I received from the county and hopefully I'm interpreting that correctly, um, that this will convey 51 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:29.199 correctly to the right people. Um, this alleyway will create or the the alley that's vacated would convey to the right people, which would be us and them, but then upon conveyance of land, which we 52 00:14:29.199 --> 00:14:47.440 would get to as time passes here. Um, so again, it's pretty complex. Um, our engineer said this is the most unique thing he's ever seen. Um, and he's uh about and he's in his 50s, so he's been doing this for a while. Um, so um, so 53 00:14:47.440 --> 00:15:03.519 anyways, that's kind of where we're bringing it tonight. Just uh, looking at the vacation here and then we'll kind of I will attack the next steps as they come once I have our attorney's perspective on how he would like to proceed. other 54 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:19.199 >> plenty of parking. >> I from my perspective I think so because right now as it is right now I mean there's probably room for four or five spots on their side right now. Um and the city side we still have those two 55 00:15:19.199 --> 00:15:37.120 parking lots right in this area. So you can see all this is still there. you know, we do lose a couple spots of course, but I think the idea is that well, can we bring more people in by having this available for this business possibly? Um, parking is a big issue, 56 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:54.079 especially downtown. Uh, we've had lots of talk about that in recent projects. Um, you know, I think from from the city perspective, how we give up this land, we are still retaining this portion. So, does it equal out in parking spaces? 57 00:15:54.079 --> 00:16:11.360 probably not, but we still keep enough where I feel as though the value is still there um for us generally. Um I don't know if that is satisfactory or not, but downtown is always kind of a little bit of a crapshoot when it comes to parking spaces anyways. Um especially 58 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:28.399 based off our zoning code. Um but that's just kind of the way it is. It's just kind of a unique spot. Um, and I mean even if you look back there anyways, if you come up the alley, how many people would even know to go all the way up there around the electrical box to even 59 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:44.399 park in those spots anyways? Would they think that even right now it's private parking for the business? Um, whereas this area is generally accessible as this is the city parking lot. This is the public parking lot. Um, so I think this kind of connects the dots a little 60 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:58.800 bit better, especially because of that weird angle at the bottom. So >> the only people that park there now are um staff from my shop or from Stick Stone or if we have a tenant upstairs, they'll 61 00:16:58.800 --> 00:17:15.439 park back there. But even, you know, at night that other lot is well, even during the day, it's never full. That other the lot kind of behind Main Street Pharmacy there. And at night there's probably two or three car parks in there. So there's still plenty of parking 62 00:17:15.439 --> 00:17:31.200 um residents that might be living in the building. Um it's not one of the areas that's heavily that's overused, I guess, is what I'm saying. >> And even our other parking lot here kind of right out across from Casey's there. 63 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:47.520 Um it's generally never full. Um, we do get, you know, complaints about parking on Main Street, but I, in my opinion, I think there is ample space. Um, we have lots of street parking that is available for multi-hour use that is not on Main 64 00:17:47.520 --> 00:18:04.080 Street, multi-day use, actually. Um, as well as the public parking lots that we do have. I think it's fair what we have currently. Um, so obviously we have some temporary things with the construction going on, but once that's complete, all that will open back up for parking 65 00:18:04.080 --> 00:18:21.280 as well too. So, >> um, there's no other comments. We'll close the public hearing. Is there any comments from the commission members here? Any thoughts, questions? >> It would be good use of the area. That's for sure. >> Yeah, definitely. So, just so I'm clear, 66 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:37.760 what you're showing up here, Miles, is the current um parcel designation, right? >> This is currently as it's laid out. >> And what the survey is showing is how it would be. >> This is Yep. This is how it would look. 67 00:18:37.760 --> 00:18:52.320 >> Yep. Okay. >> And if I should also point out on the survey too, it does come out onto that like grassy area, if you will, but it does stop before the electrical box. So, we would still keep um >> keep ownership of that area. 68 00:18:52.320 --> 00:19:09.440 >> So, it cleans up the um parcel for the building piece, the current building that's owned by Frederickson. Correct. >> Yes, I believe so. >> And um and then yeah, the two parcels A and B are there. And that would be the swap. >> Yep. 69 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:24.640 >> It sounds like Okay. >> Yep. And it would really only come out to about if you're looking at the survey which doesn't have the geographics on it, it would be about like here, >> right? >> So it's kind of that right there. >> Yep. >> So they keep their building. We keep down here before the electrical box. 70 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:40.559 It's just this kind of grassy area with the curb. >> Yep. >> Um >> just to take take the curb away basically. >> So >> and the reason why it's parcel A and parcel B is because of the underground util um culvert that's there. You said 71 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:56.880 >> yes in the different ownership too because B is owned by us the city and A is owned by Frederickson's. So >> Gotcha. >> There'd be the purchase agreements and then the conveyance and things like that as well. >> He is owned by the city. >> Yes. >> Got it. >> Currently. >> Currently. 72 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:12.720 >> Yep. Okay. >> Any other questions or comments? >> And this I'm sorry, one more. Um it's um alley vacation and the subdivision because it's in these multiple parcels. 73 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:29.440 Correct. That's what we're looking at. Or is it just the vacation? >> I was just doing the vacation now, >> but I was because I'm still trying to figure out if we even actually even need to do the subdivision part. >> Yeah. >> So once I figure that out, I'll be in 74 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:45.919 communication with them as well as kind of where we go from there, too. Um, again, it is very complex, so I just want to make sure I do it right. Like, because we can do it all right now, but >> better to do step by step. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. 75 00:20:45.919 --> 00:21:02.000 >> I don't think it'll take any longer. It's going to take the same amount of time in my opinion, but um but this still just like just want to make sure we get it to the right spots. >> So, tonight we're just voting on vacating >> recommending the vac. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 76 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:23.919 All right. Anyone want to put that in the motion? >> I will make a motion that we recommend the vacation of the alley adjacent to 308 Main Street. 77 00:21:23.919 --> 00:21:37.679 >> Okay. Is there a second? >> It's been moved and seconded that we recommend the council approval of the vacation of the alley behind 308 Main Street. Any other discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. 78 00:21:37.679 --> 00:22:05.159 >> Say nay. Motion carry 6. >> Next on the new business. Do we have any new business to be brought forward? >> Uh nothing from the city side. Other business for a motion to adjourn. 79 00:22:05.760 --> 00:22:22.080 >> It's been moved. Do we adjourn the meeting? Is there a second? >> Second. All those in favor of adjournment say I. >> I. >> Motion. Motion carries 600. Journ at 551. All right. Thank you all for coming. 80 00:22:22.080 --> 00:22:25.240 >> Thank you.